4 police shoot and kill violent felon ---- and his girlfriend

Police: Cops fired into car not knowing infant was inside

Angelo Delano Perry, a 35-year-old Virginia Beach resident with an extensive criminal history, and 28-year-old postal carrier India Kager of College Park, Maryland, were shot to death Saturday night less than 15 seconds after officers approached the parked vehicle they were in. The couple's 4-month old son, Roman, was sitting in the rear of the vehicle in a car seat and escaped uninjured, said Virginia Beach Police Chief Jim Cervera.

This violent man got his new girlfriend killed in his recklessness. However, he wasn't the one who killed her - the police did.

They knew he was violent - he had attacked police before:
Rastafarian inmate relents on haircut after 10 years

Tafari said that on Sept. 16 at Wallens Ridge he was struck from behind and knocked unconscious by another inmate. He did not see his assailant but the inmate was charged based on video surveillance, he said.

“I turned my back and he attacked me,” alleged Tafari. “To this day I don’t know why this guy (hit) me,” he said.

The inmate charged with the assault, Angelo D. Perry, remains at Wallens Ridge and is to be tried for malicious wounding later this month. Perry, 33, was also set to be released next year but faces up to 20 additional years if convicted.
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Both men are from Virginia Beach. Perry netted 15 years for 2001 convictions for malicious wounding, assault and battery against a law enforcement officer and drug and firearm offenses. Tafari was sentenced to 20 years in 1996 for possession of coc aine.

Why was he even out of jail? He assaulted this man in 2013 and should have remained there! It seems he was released in 2014 or perhaps 2015, but I have not found the exact date. So much for justice.

Continuing from the first article:

Perry had been under surveillance for about 30 minutes on the night of the shooting, Cervera said at a news conference.
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"In essence, the officers put themselves in harm's way to prevent another act of violence," he said. "Our officers did everything they could to try and circumvent any kind of violent confrontation."

Perry fired four rounds at officers as they approached the vehicle, including one that struck an officer's clothing, but did not hit his body, Cervera said. He said the officers returned 30 rounds of fire at Perry and unintentionally also hit Kager, who was in the driver's seat.

The officers' recklessness killed this innocent woman. It is fortunate that her son did not pay the same price she did, at least. They knew he was violent. They knew he had attacked police before. They still decided to approach him while there were other, innocent individuals there.

I'm sadly certain that the victim will be demeaned and slandered - but think about this before you do so:

Best said Kager's father and grandfather were both retired police officers in Washington, and Best said Kager was quiet, introverted and artistically talented. She said Kager attended the Duke Ellington School for the Arts in Washington before she followed in the footsteps of her older brother and joined the military.

Military records show Kager was in the Navy from 2009 to 2013 and served as a culinary specialist. She was briefly attached to the Naval Aviation Technical Training Center in Pensacola, Florida, in 2010 before moving to Virginia Beach, where she was attached to two strike fighter squadrons for the remainder of career. The Navy said she was awarded a ribbon for pistol marksmanship and medals for good conduct and serving in the global war on terrorism. The U.S. Postal Service said Kager had been working as a carrier in Bethesda, Maryland, since August.

Best said her daughter had only been in Virginia Beach for a few hours the night of the shooting.

This is not the first time police have killed innocent parties. Recall the slain abducted bank hostage in California some time ago. There have been a number of other situations where police shoot some innocent person. It's a difficult situation, but... there's an old saying:

"It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer"

They had to release him. They needed to free up beds for drug convictions. So rapist get put on a watch list, and violent criminals are released to be watched over by an ankle bracelet.

Its called "Criminal Justice". The irony is palpable in that phrase.

a reply to: Greven

Perhaps this girl, Navy hero and US Gov employee, ought to have chosen a boyfriend who wasnt an armed violent convicted felon? Why did the guy open fire on cops with his beloved gf and infant child in the car? I declare this NOT the cops' fault.

a reply to: Urantia1111

Wonder who the son will blame..

If you killed my mother, for any reason I know who I'd blame.

I feel really bad for the girl that died and the baby who will grow up without parents. Could there of been a better result? I am sure there could have. I am sure in some alternate reality, everything went right and the police handled the situation better.

However, this situation is different than the other recent police killings. This guy fired at the police. I do not like how the police act these days. But you can not blame them for shooting back at someone who is shooting at them. Unless some other evidence comes out. I have to say the police are not to blame for this one.

originally posted by: TechniXcality
a reply to: Urantia1111

Wonder who the son will blame..

If you killed my mother, for any reason I know who I'd blame.

I would think you would blame the dumbass that was shooting at the cops with you in the back seat.

originally posted by: Urantia1111
a reply to: Greven

Perhaps this girl, Navy hero and US Gov employee, ought to have chosen a boyfriend who wasnt an armed violent convicted felon? Why did the guy open fire on cops with his beloved gf and infant child in the car? I declare this NOT the cops' fault.

if i had a dollar for every time a woman made poor choices in the partner they find, i would be making money in a weird way... and rich. most of the vile and despicable men in history were happily married, i guess those women made poor choices too.

it doesnt matter if he was alone in that car, shooting first is the most 'sure' course of action police take these days. In training scenarios when approaching vehicles they are taught to shoot first; and in most other scenarios too i think. unless im wrong? im sure they could have handled their approach differently, or does it not matter at this point

originally posted by: Bluntone22

originally posted by: TechniXcality
a reply to: Urantia1111

Wonder who the son will blame..

If you killed my mother, for any reason I know who I'd blame.

I would think you would blame the dumbass that was shooting at the cops with you in the back seat.

When it comes to my mother there's a better way, there is always a better way. Period end of story, if you don't feel that way that's your problem not mine.

a reply to: TechniXcality

I get what your saying. As an outside observer, in this specific case, unless new evidence comes to light, I do not think you can blame the police for returning fire. But if I was that boy. I would always believe the police could of done something, anything, different. To change the outcome. It would haunt my dreams. I would probably grow up with a burning hatred for the police and my father.

a reply to: karmicecstasy

If you want to know how to make a home grown terrorist, please look no further than this case. While I hate extremism and you will see me fervently fight it amongst threads, home grown extremism born in America often times is a result of failed policy's,and abuse of power oppression. Therefor, we all must be willing to take responsibility and change things for the better as a society, or we can carry on, but then we must also accept the flack and casualties of failed policy's.

originally posted by: Urantia1111
a reply to: Greven

Perhaps this girl, Navy hero and US Gov employee, ought to have chosen a boyfriend who wasnt an armed violent convicted felon? Why did the guy open fire on cops with his beloved gf and infant child in the car? I declare this NOT the cops' fault.

You see folks it isn't the cops fault that they can't shoot straight or maybe they did hit their intended targets.

Because you know cops have no choice, but to return fire. They can't back away to get backup because the possibility that an innocent could be killed.


Cops are always justified.

a reply to: Grimpachi

That's right, you hit the nail on the head. Until this attitude changes expect more of the same from both sides, innocent victims dying, civilian and police alike, looks like we are sadly defining a common ground.

originally posted by: Bluntone22

originally posted by: TechniXcality
a reply to: Urantia1111

Wonder who the son will blame..

If you killed my mother, for any reason I know who I'd blame.

I would think you would blame the dumbass that was shooting at the cops with you in the back seat.

That is the most logical conclusion.

a reply to: Gothmog

When it comes to your mother and her treatment and or life, how logical are you ?

Where does it end? Could and should the police officers have treated this like a hostage situation ? They knew others were in the car. They have been trained to know.To me , just another innocent killed in the line of police actions
Sad.....

originally posted by: TechniXcality
a reply to: Gothmog

When it comes to your mother and her treatment and or life, how logical are you ?

See my post directly below yours.

a reply to: Gothmog

Thank you for further defining, I couldn't agree more.


I already did

Something to consider:

en.wikipedia.org...

Lists of killings

List of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States, 2015 (listed: 350)
List of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States, 2014 (listed: 623)
List of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States, 2013 (listed: 337)
List of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States, 2012 (listed: 602)
List of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States, 2011 (listed: 166)
List of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States, 2010 (listed: 285)
List of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States, 2009 (listed: 62)
List of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States prior to 2009 (listed: 217)

Perhaps it is a lack of data...but still, the trend doesn't look none too bueno.

These lists are incomplete. Although Congress instructed the Attorney General in 1994 to compile and publish annual statistics on police use of excessive force, this was never carried out, and the FBI does not collect these data either.[1] The annual average number of justifiable homicides alone was previously estimated to be near 400.[2] Updated estimates from the Bureau of Justice Statistics released in 2015 estimate the number to be around 930 per year, or 1240 if assuming that nonreporting local agencies kill people at the same rate as reporting agencies.[3] The Washington Post tracked shootings (only) in 2015 and on May 30 reported a rate so far that would be equal to 937 shootings/year (385 as of that date).[4] The Guardian is also tracking killings in 2015 and counted 464 killed as of the end of May (rate of 1122/yr).[5]

Hmm...ain't that something. The People spoke, demanded accountability. And 30 years later...we still don't have it. That is Reagan, 2 Bush's, Clinton, and Obama that have failed to hold their AG's to executing the law.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

List of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States, 2010 (listed: 285)

Which would include a friend of mine. Shot dead on his front steps because he had a hammer in his hand > He had been fixing something in his mom's house where he live. They had gotten int a dispute and the neighbor called the police on a domestic dispute. Of course he did step outside with the hammer in his hand , but per what I heard , the police opened fire. I guess I am biased on this type of issue .

This is a problem, I need people to realize just what the # we are talking about here BIgfatfurrytexans posts shows just how many have died in the last eight years of recording which is 2642 reported deaths, I need you to understand the the death tally in the Middle East of American soldiers is lower and a longer time frame FYI icasualties.org... ... 2363 is the number from 2003 until now.

You have to ask what the flying # is happening here, is it that people are unfairly treated? Or that a god damn terrorist element exists amongst the American population, it doesn't matter how you answer that stupid slanted question. There is a serious problem amongst our society, that resembles a modern war fatality list, surely you understand that huge sociological problems are at play here?

Come on people, wake the # up!! I was an American soldier and we are not at war with our people, or are we?