"IN GOD WE TRUST..." on Police cars !?!

a reply to: Vroomfondel

Yes, there is the separation or church and state, but in order to do so the supreme court had to interpret the words "establishment of religion" as prohibiting any preference or support for religion.

Yes. The preference or support of any particular religion.

a reply to: windword

Why should it be a police motto in the first place? Doesn't it suggest that the police riding in that car are endowed with God's blessing in some way?

No it suggests that they trust in god ......pretty basic.......i mean if you want to put your own spin on it to fit a narrative i suppose you could..

When the framers of the Constitution established a line between church and state, by prohibiting congress from "establishing" religion, they did so so that no government representative could cloak their authority in divinity. That's exactly what advertising this sentiment on government funded police vehicles does.

Congress didnt establish a religion, a local police department chose to put them on their cruisers

Again , more manufactured outrage, seems to be pretty common to blame THINGS to distract away from real issues...

a reply to: Gothmog

We are both aware that this "INTERPRETATION" of the 1st Amendment IS NOT a written law passed by a non-partisan Congress; however, it is identified by the THIRD BRANCH OF POWER in our Representative form of government, as a Prescient application of the 1st Amendment's legal implications.

a reply to: windword

What religion are they establishing with words on a vehicle?

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Vroomfondel

Yes, there is the separation or church and state, but in order to do so the supreme court had to interpret the words "establishment of religion" as prohibiting any preference or support for religion.

Yes. The preference or support of any particular religion.

and GOD is a pretty obtuse term........

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

I would say that is the grey area.

Usually God=Christianity here in the states. I know that is not absolute but I would be willing to bet that is where we are seeing here.
Especially since we still hold onto the idea it was founded as a christian nation.

Like this tripe
www.rawstory.com...

I say we ban police cars and anything that has the word "God" on it.

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

why should they feel anything, if they dont believe in it.....

Why should it be a police motto in the first place? Doesn't it suggest that the police riding in that car are endowed with God's blessing in some way?

When the framers of the Constitution established a line between church and state, by prohibiting congress from "establishing" religion, they did so so that no government representative could cloak their authority in divinity. That's exactly what advertising this sentiment on government funded police vehicles does.

I don't disagree but, I think the bigger issue here is using God's name in vain.

a reply to: Sremmos80

Usually God=Christianity here in the states.

Jews?
Muslims?
Bahai?
Sikhs?
Not many religions without a god or gods.

a reply to: Vroomfondel

I disagree with your "interpretation" of SCOTUS' decision.

Gary Parsons, the sheriff in Lee County in Virginia, said his office spent a total of $50 to have the decals added to about 25 vehicles. He said many people feel their belief system is being trampled and that adding the phrase is a way of pushing back.
"It's not only a symbol of moral values but also a symbol of patriotism," he said.

This is what scares me.
Equating religion to patriotism.

Also saying this is a response of religious beliefs getting trampled.

It is not his place to use police cars to push back on those personal opinions.

a reply to: Sremmos80

It is not his place to use police cars to push back on those personal opinions.

Indeed.

a reply to: Phage

Completely agree, but are we going to argue that it is meant to mean any of those?
Like I said that is the grey area.

Just saying that in a nation where the primary religion is Christianity or some denomination of it, god is usually referencing their god.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: windword

What religion are they establishing with words on a vehicle?

I'm pretty sure "God" is a Judeo-Christian deity. As a Muslim, you honor Allah, right? It's an important distinction, no?

a reply to: windword

Lol really?

God = Christian lol lol.

a reply to: Sremmos80

again im much more offended by the fact that Police are actually being targeted for execution

Im much more offended that groups are calling for the heads of police officers and of white people

Im much more offended that this country has lost its collective mind , when there are issues that REALLY matter

The MO by the left is to continually distract and manufacture outrage over something that has absolutely NO BEARING on the issues that are going on in this country that actually MATTER

I find THAT offensive

a reply to: Sremmos80

But is that decal promoting religion? Or does it simply reflect a belief?

I wear a cross from time to time but I do not consider it promoting the religion or trying to imply it should be the only one, it is just my belief. I would feel the same if I were employed by federal, state, or local government in any capacity. As long as no one tries to tell me what I can or cant believe in, I don't have a problem with it.

This may be a grey area as you stated. But I see it as another reason to complain for people who have too much free time on their hands and no idea how to use it constructively.

a reply to: Sremmos80

The way I look at it, it can be something for everyone...

Baalists, Molochites, the Judaic, Christians, even sarcastic atheists can laugh it off...


It doesn't seem that big a deal, and I don't see a slippery slope in this case.

We shall see.

a reply to: windword
It's a language thing.


Allah is the Arabic word for God.
In Hebrew it is YHWH

a reply to: windword

Only if you prefer speaking Arabic.

Allah means God.


Jehovah/YHWH is the Judeo-Christian God.



Edit: beaten by Phage... I've joined an elite group.