Court: Transgender Illegal Immigrant Felon Can't Be Deported

originally posted by: acackohfcc
don't want to be tortured?

obey the law!

simple...

What law? She was tortured for how she was born. People who are tortured due to their ethnicity/race, sex/gender, religion, sexual orientation or even their political beliefs are protected under international human rights laws.

Educate yourself: Amnesty International USA

Something from Sudan of relevance: Women Face Flogging for Wearing Pants - Amnesty

a reply to: JadeStar
Every culture sets its own limits on what is acceptable behavior. It is a society's perrogative to discourage behavior which is considered taboo.

Those societal standards are set by individuals, whose opinions differ around the globe. Insulting me won't change opinions in a struggling third-world country.

originally posted by: OpenMindedRealist
a reply to: JadeStar
Every culture sets its own limits on what is acceptable behavior. It is a society's perrogative to discourage behavior considered taboo.

Those societal standards are set by individuals, whose opinions differ around the globe.

And there are international human rights and protections against torture so that such limits are not used to target individuals for nothing other than who they are, how they were born, what religion they practice, etc. See my post above yours.

Culture does not supercede humanity.

originally posted by: acackohfcc
don't want to be tortured?

obey the law!

simple...

It is not illegal to be a transexual in Mexico.
Nor is it in the United States.

acackohfcc meant that they need to obey the laws of the US so they won't have to be deported and get tortured again.

a reply to: Deaf Alien
Um. Isn't that why she applied for asylum? So she would be in the country legally?


Didn't she spend a year in jail for her crimes? Wasn't she deported in 2007 for her crimes?
Didn't she serve her time?

I mean, it's not like she's going to become a citizen (because she can't).

a reply to: Phage

Right. I was explaining what that poster you replied to meant (or at least I think that's what he meant). Given this topic and the context.

a reply to: Deaf Alien
Thanks for the translation.
But then, apparently that poster is not aware of the actual situation. Perhaps a sort of knee-jerk reaction?

a reply to: Phage

Dude don't worry. I am in total agreement with you. I do understand. I just interpreted that poster's post differently and wanted to comment on that.

a reply to: Phage

But then, apparently that poster is not aware of the actual situation. Perhaps a sort of knee-jerk reaction?

Very likely. The OP had to put the transgender people in bad light so of course there will be many knee-jerk reactions.

Perhaps that poster will explain himself better later if he sees this. LOL.

To explain further my interpretation of his post (and yes I am drunk LOL) ANYONE who enter this country illegally and in fear of their lives and torture should not break the laws only to have themselves end up getting deported back to their country and get tortured again.

a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

I never realized rape was on a par with waterboarding and electric shock as a definition of torture.

What, did you think it was an extracurricular activity or something? Like a hobby? Just a little harmless fun? Of course it is a torture on par (at the very least) with electric shock and waterboarding. It is a violation of basic human rights. It is as traumatic to the human psyche as going to war. It ruins lives and scars its victims to their very souls, often permanently. What a callous remark. Even worse is the fact that you appear to be perfectly serious.

a reply to: OpenMindedRealist

Many cultures 'self-police' sexual deviants. Without an organized and effective legal system, there aren't any other ways to discourage taboo behavior.

So does this mean the US is now a refuge for the world's undesirables? Send us your pedophiles, zoophiles, polygamists, and whoever else freaks you out. These people are to be protected - even if they violated federal law just to get here, and then broke a few silly local laws just to get by.

"Sexual deviants"? What, precisely, is "deviant" about it? She is a human being, just like everyone else, and should be afforded the same basic human rights. No one "sent" her anywhere. She fled to this country to escape persecution for doing absolutely nothing but being true to herself. The felony issue is a separate thing entirely. It's the intolerant, bigoted, ethically deficient and ignorant folks with their fantasies of superiority that this country needs to rid itself of. Not the people seeking asylum from them.

a reply to: tigertatzen

What a way to resurrect a week old thread.

What, did you think it was an extracurricular activity or something? Like a hobby? Just a little harmless fun? Of course it is a torture on par (at the very least) with electric shock and waterboarding.

I believe he understood after few of us pointed it out to him.

Even worse is the fact that you appear to be perfectly serious.

He understood. Or at least I hope so? we have replied and he have replied that he understood.

Threat of punishment and torture and death in their own country is real. The fear is real. I understand some posters here stating if you fear that then don't do the crime here in the U.S.A. But this is not what it is about.

a reply to: Deaf Alien

acackohfcc meant that they need to obey the laws of the US so they won't have to be deported and get tortured again.

No, I don't think so. Read it again.

a reply to: tigertatzen

No, I don't think so. Read it again.

See my post above yours. Some posters here including the OP have stated that if you do the crime here in the USA don't be surprised if they force you back into your country to be tortured again.

a reply to: Deaf Alien

a reply to: tigertatzen

What a way to resurrect a week old thread.



What, did you think it was an extracurricular activity or something? Like a hobby? Just a little harmless fun? Of course it is a torture on par (at the very least) with electric shock and waterboarding.


I believe he understood after few of us pointed it out to him.



Even worse is the fact that you appear to be perfectly serious.


He understood. Or at least I hope so? we have replied and he have replied that he understood.

Threat of punishment and torture and death in their own country is real. The fear is real. I understand some posters here stating if you fear that then don't do the crime here in the U.S.A. But this is not what it is about.

I'm sorry, is there some sort of new rule that ATS threads have an expiration date? I have been in the process of moving 1500+ miles across the country for the past week, and am catching up on the thread since I have been away. Save the embarrassing attempts at chastising for the kids, yeah?

I was not addressing you. I was addressing the person who posted the comments. Did someone appoint you to be his/her spokesperson? If he/she does not want feedback, then it would be best to refrain from posting anything in the first place. This is how discussion works.

I said absolutely nothing about " if you fear that then don't do the crime here in the U.S.A.". What does that have to do with this? I am referring to the wording in the inane comment I was responding to, which has nothing to do with fear. It has to do with ignorance. And what "crime"? This woman has not committed a "crime" in her country. She was the victim of torture and abuse for no other reason than being who she feels she is. It is not illegal to be transgender in Mexico, and I do cannot comprehend why you would assume that it is.

a reply to: tigertatzen

I'm sorry, is there some sort of new rule that ATS threads have an expiration date?

Sorry it's a compliment. You had a good reply to this thread. Sorry it wasn't clear.

I said absolutely nothing about " if you fear that then don't do the crime here in the U.S.A.". What does that have to do with this? I am referring to the wording in the inane comment I was responding to, which has nothing to do with fear.

Forgive me for not being clear. I am agreeing with you.

This woman has not committed a "crime" in her country. She was the victim of torture and abuse for no other reason than being who she feels she is. It is not illegal to be transgender in Mexico, and I do cannot comprehend why you would assume that it is.

Right! Like I said what she did in the USA was minor. To force her back to her country is a crime.

I know you are angry. I am angry too. I am here for you to chew out lol.

a reply to: Deaf Alien

See my post above yours. Some posters here including the OP have stated that if you do the crime here in the USA don't be surprised if they force you back into your country to be tortured again.

Again, just because you think you know what someone meant does not make it so. I'd rather hear it from the person who actually made the statement--not someone who is guessing and purporting it as fact.

I can't believe how long this thread is. In the first few posts you learn WHY this person won't be sent back, and after reading the wrong arguments in support of deportation I just gave up. This person should not be sent back, and that's because they are protected under international law, they just happen to be transgender/transexual too, which should matter just about as much as how tall they are.

We aren't going to have an influx of illegal aliens in drag unable to be shipped back home. Frankly it wouldn't bother me if that happened sometimes if it kept people from being tortured or returned to a place notorious for human right's violations. I see a lot of people talking the talk about this country being great, holding it up as an example for the rest of the world, then completely failing at walking the walk because it might effect what they pay in taxes by .0000000000000000000000000000000001 cents a year.

a reply to: tigertatzen

Again, just because you think you know what someone meant does not make it so. I'd rather hear it from the person who actually made the statement--not someone who is guessing and purporting it as fact.

And you think those people will listen? Like I said that person you replied to understood and admitted it.