How the Refugee Crisis is being received in Ireland.

Hi everyone,

This is my first thread so I'm going to do my best to lay it out as coherently as I can.

I'm sure most of you have at least come across the refugee crisis that is taking Europe by storm at the moment. I have a couple of things playing on my mind about it...

At the moment in Ireland we are being 'pressured' to take in more people fleeing their home countries. Officially we have only signed up to take in 600 refugees over two years. With a population of 4.5m we are well able to accommodate them in the grand scheme of things. Our Taoiseach (Prime Minister) has now said that we could take up to 1800 refugees. Still not that big a number, right? However what is worrying me is that our government is not capable of looking after our own (our homelessness is reaching crisis point due to the banks evicting families over the past months) so how can we be sure these refugees are not going to be placed into Direct Provision for the rest of their lives? We can't, and to my knowledge the likelihood of anyone else coming into Ireland with the hope of building a life is pretty grim. I say this because within a few miles of where I live there are two Direct Provision properties and another one to open just down the road from my apartment to take in 72 refugees and more by the end of this month. A lot of these families very rarely get out of them and as far as I know only get about €19.10 per week from the government per person (not totally sure if children are included in that, I doubt it). Not that much you say? A lot of people here are singing a different tune.

What is really getting to me, though, is the whiney people and their whole attitude to the whole crisis. Check out the comments from this online news source for an idea.

I have to be honest and say that I was not altogether happy about our country taking in more refugees in the beginning. I let myself believe that it was "not good for us" and "what if they are just economic migrants" even to the more extreme "what if this is how ISIS are planning to infiltrate". While all of these concerns may have even a little bit of truth in them, I realised that I had been going against everything I had believed in on the basis of what the MSM is telling me. Which for me is unusual but I became drawn in by it and the hysteria of people like in the article I listed for you. This Humanitarian Crisis is one of the worst things to have happened in my lifetime and people are so selfish to suggest that these people risking life and limb to flee their home country? It's all well and good when you can hide behind a keyboard in your nice comfy house and rant. But honestly what has happened to people? Where have our hearts gone? Another thing we seem to be forgetting is that during the "Famine", we were doing the exact same thing all over the world. Even now due to the recession thousands of Irish people, young and old with families have gone to different countries to make a better life for themselves. How is it different? The Irish population in my own humble opinion has forgotten it's roots and seemingly it's soul too. What happened to céad míle fáilte?

I can't say that all of my concerns have magically disappeared, they play on my mind a little but I think offering these people a chance at life without begrudging them is the least we can do. IMO we may have different skin colours/languages/nationalities but we all breathe the same, we all bleed the same, we come from the same planet, we are all human. I wish for a day when there are no more borders to fight over, no religions to die for and no ideaology that is worth the suffering that is taking place right now.

Are my grievances totally unfounded or how do you feel about it? I'd like to hear other members thoughts especially any in Europe (especially the mainland) that is facing the same issues, albeit on a much larger scale.

a reply to: eire91

I have no problem with an influx of immigrants at the moment - there are positives and negatives but for some reason the media wants me to hate them so I won't.

However..... I am thinking....

Why can these poor endangered people not go to Jordan, Saudi, Turkey etc? Same culture, same land mass.....

a reply to: and14263

Probably because those countries have said No and will back it up. If they did take them, they would probably be held in camps not much better than a prison, while the bleeding hearts in our countries will go to any length to take care of them, while ignoring our own homeless and immigration crisis.
Gotta keep up appearances, ya know.

a reply to: and14263

I'd imagine because it would be like leaping from the frying pan into the fire? I don't really know enough to make an educated guess but in my eyes they're probably not going to the likes of the UAE firstly because they very may well be killed on arrival I don't really know but wouldn't the likes of Jordan or Quatar be as bad as where they are coming from?

originally posted by: and14263
a reply to: eire91

I have no problem with an influx of immigrants at the moment - there are positives and negatives but for some reason the media wants me to hate them so I won't.

However..... I am thinking....

Why can these poor endangered people not go to Jordan, Saudi, Turkey etc? Same culture, same land mass.....

Because the Muslim's will not leave their failed culture behind and learn a successful culture like the western ones.

They are being imported purposefully, to spread Islam, because it is the best way to control the masses.

All other religions have failed to do so.

a reply to: and14263

The immigration issue, for most of my life, almost entirely focused around Mexican immigrants - the best neighbors I've EVER had - but now, thanks to the Arms Dealer we call Anerica, the world truly is a battlefield, and famies are displaced from all over with nowhere to go. And all of us, all countries, should be ashamed by our lack of humanity. As you say, THEY ARE HUMAN BEINGS.
The question then becomes:
ARE WE??💀

a reply to: DAVID64

This is one of my concerns that homelessness crisis' are already bad in some of the countries they are fleeing to they will not be given much of a better chance, the only difference is that they will have a roof over their heads (or with the constant fear of death). But I don't think its simply a case of keeping up appearances.

originally posted by: and14263
a reply to: eire91

I have no problem with an influx of immigrants at the moment - there are positives and negatives but for some reason the media wants me to hate them so I won't.

However..... I am thinking....

Why can these poor endangered people not go to Jordan, Saudi, Turkey etc? Same culture, same land mass.....

The simple answer is they do. Turkey has rapidly approaching 2 million refugees. The UK receives a tiny number in comparison (we take less than Malta)

originally posted by: thenewabolitionist
a reply to: and14263

The immigration issue, for most of my life, usually residing around Mexican immigrants - the best neighbors I've EVER had - was focused almost entirely on them. But now the world truly is a battlefield, and famies are displaced with nowhere to go. And all of us, all countries, should be ashamed by their lack of humanity. As you say, THESE ARE GUMAN BEINGS. The question then becomes:
Are we??

That's another thing I was thinking, that the influx is leading to a mass hysteria/xenophobia on a global scale that we will just start killing each other off? (thats the tinfoil hat making itself known )

We had this in the Celtic Tiger boom years before the markets crashed too, with Eastern Europeans moving here "taking our jobs and our women" and whathaveyou... We still have that same attitude towards forgeiners. Which is ridiculous.

a reply to: DAVID64

Hhhm sadly true. The Guardian readership strikes again.

a reply to: eire91

Wasn't there just a massive protest in Dublin to let more refugees in?

a reply to: Kali74

I wouldn't call a couple of hundred 'massive'.

Could it have been the Water Charge protest you heard of last Saturday? About 80,000 people attended, nothing to do with Refugees.

a reply to: eire91

Point being... people wanting to let more refugees in exist. Find them.

Good luck

a reply to: ScepticScot

I had no idea... I do now.

But it still leaves me asking... If Turkey et al are taking in refugees/asylum seekers, why are these asylum seekers making the treacherous voyage to EU?

Over here in Germany we are talking about 800.000 for this year. But what bothers me more are the right wing extremists who use the crisis to propagate their hate and evil. "Troubled citizens" stand side by side with people who throw molotov cocktails at people who just fled the war.

We are all living on a little rock that is flying through eternity. It's time to learn how to live in peace and make this planet a place worth living. We - as human mankind - caused this mess, so we all should try to fix it.

Many Turks are livng here for the third generation meanwhile. Many of them are bad people, some are comedians, actors, politicians and and and - but most of them are simply average Joes, just like the Germans. Those new citizens will be the same in a few years.

a reply to: eire91

Ask Peter Sutherland.

This disaster was orchestrated by the same Globalists who are demanding ALL sovereign nations in the west take in all of these refugees. Why you might ask?

Hmmmm, "Cloward and Piven Strategy"? Total societal breakdown? You know problem/reaction/solution?

Now look at the middle east. What is being done about ISIS? Hmmmm? Not much? Therefore we have a mass migration from the middle east.

Here is the article quoting "Peter Sutherland". Notice the date? June of 2012? Hmmm, when did ISIS start acting up?

The EU should "do its best to undermine" the "homogeneity" of its member states, the UN's special representative for migration has said.

Peter Sutherland told peers the future prosperity of many EU states depended on them becoming multicultural.

He also suggested the UK government's immigration policy had no basis in international law.

He was being quizzed by the Lords EU home affairs sub-committee which is investigating global migration.

Mr Sutherland, who is non-executive chairman of Goldman Sachs International and a former chairman of oil giant BP, heads the Global Forum on Migration and Development , which brings together representatives of 160 nations to share policy ideas.

He told the House of Lords committee migration was a "crucial dynamic for economic growth" in some EU nations "however difficult it may be to explain this to the citizens of those states".

EU should 'undermine national homogeneity' says UN migration chief

Those who are opposing refugees are actually fighting against the plans of the 1%! Yea, it might sound brutal, but it is reality! We didn't cause this, they did, and they are using "Hegelian Dialectic" to tug at our heart strings to bring in to motion their goal.

a reply to: seeker1963

Yes, Sutherland is an extremely odious creature...a globalist fascist and an enemy of democracy. People need to understand that his rantings are not at all unusual in the business community. They all believe that mass immigration = economic growth (and to hell with everything else).

I remembered that film and wondered when that was created. Now I found it at youtube. It was back in 1990.

In the film the reason for the mass exodus is the climate change. But however, the problem is the same. So 25 years ago we knew this would happen sooner or later. The film was produced by BBC and is called The March:

originally posted by: ScepticScotThe simple answer is they do. Turkey has rapidly approaching 2 million refugees. The UK receives a tiny number in comparison (we take less than Malta)

Turkey confines them in refugee camps - tent cities - adjacent to Syria so they can be returned when things are safer. If the UK stuck them all in refugees camp there would be hell to pay, even though they would be hard pressed to find the space - unless they went to Scotland.

You just need to look at the unrest in Hungary to appreciate that the immigrants/refugees who make it to Europe expect nothing less than getting to where they want to go. They will not like a refuges camp!

Besides, if you are going to leave a refugee camp then you may as well go to where you will be most comfortable.

a reply to: eire91

It win't be long before a certain group of Europeans decide that this nutcase's idea is a good idea: