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originally posted by: pikestaff
You are forgetting that best estimates of deaths during the invasion of the japanes home islands was HALF A MILLION US servicemen, if the bomb had not been used, who would the US population strung up first when they found out about the 'bomb' ?
originally posted by: joemoe
a reply to: crazyewok
No one ever said we did. But if you want to hate ... go right ahead. However, we were a major part in ending that conflict. No?
Yes. It's a shame we stopped the most blood thirsty and ruthless dictator of modern times on his quest to exterminate an entire race of people. It's a shame that we defended ourselves against a nation that attacked us with zero provocation. Yes it's a shame we had the fortitude and courage to put down global tyranny. You I'm afraid should be ashamed. War is not pleasant. Taking lives is a terrible thing, but in some instances, taking some lives is the only way to save countless more.
originally posted by: Kryties
originally posted by: joemoe
If it was not for the US in WW2, China (or at least parts of it) would probably be speaking Japanese as a main language today. But I could be wrong.
Pity you had to vaporize several hundred thousand civilian people with 2 nuclear bombs in order to do so.
originally posted by: Sheridan91s
Yes. It's a shame we stopped the most blood thirsty and ruthless dictator of modern times on his quest to exterminate an entire race of people.
It's a shame that we defended ourselves against a nation that attacked us with zero provocation.
Yes it's a shame we had the fortitude and courage to put down global tyranny. You I'm afraid should be ashamed. War is not pleasant. Taking lives is a terrible thing, but in some instances, taking some lives is the only way to save countless more.
Those years we sat idly by revamping our entire manufacturing sector to build war machines to allow us to enter the fray? Is that what you are referring too? You do realize Germany had a decade head start right? And no, we did NOT provoke Japan into attacking us.
originally posted by: Kryties
originally posted by: Sheridan91s
Yes. It's a shame we stopped the most blood thirsty and ruthless dictator of modern times on his quest to exterminate an entire race of people.
I never said that they didn't need to be stopped, please stop making stuff up.
It's a shame that we defended ourselves against a nation that attacked us with zero provocation.
Zero provocation? Do you honestly believe that? Wow, just....wow.....
Yes it's a shame we had the fortitude and courage to put down global tyranny. You I'm afraid should be ashamed. War is not pleasant. Taking lives is a terrible thing, but in some instances, taking some lives is the only way to save countless more.
Stop speaking as if the US was the deciding factor in winning WW2. IT WAS NOT. You guys only joined the war when you saw that it was economically advantageous for you to do so - after having been begged for YEARS by the Allies to help out and you lot sat back and watched millions of people die without lifting a finger.
Stop rewriting history to suit your own agenda.
And you do realize we committed military manpower to the allies long before we joined the war right?
originally posted by: Sheridan91s
Those years we sat idly by revamping our entire manufacturing sector to build war machines to allow us to enter the fray? Is that what you are referring too? You do realize Germany had a decade head start right? And no, we did NOT provoke Japan into attacking us.
originally posted by: Kryties
originally posted by: Sheridan91s
Yes. It's a shame we stopped the most blood thirsty and ruthless dictator of modern times on his quest to exterminate an entire race of people.
I never said that they didn't need to be stopped, please stop making stuff up.
It's a shame that we defended ourselves against a nation that attacked us with zero provocation.
Zero provocation? Do you honestly believe that? Wow, just....wow.....
Yes it's a shame we had the fortitude and courage to put down global tyranny. You I'm afraid should be ashamed. War is not pleasant. Taking lives is a terrible thing, but in some instances, taking some lives is the only way to save countless more.
Stop speaking as if the US was the deciding factor in winning WW2. IT WAS NOT. You guys only joined the war when you saw that it was economically advantageous for you to do so - after having been begged for YEARS by the Allies to help out and you lot sat back and watched millions of people die without lifting a finger.
Stop rewriting history to suit your own agenda.
originally posted by: Sheridan91s
Those years we sat idly by revamping our entire manufacturing sector to build war machines to allow us to enter the fray? Is that what you are referring too? You do realize Germany had a decade head start right? And no, we did NOT provoke Japan into attacking us.
originally posted by: Kryties
Link please?
In April 1945, the Joint Chiefs of Staff formally adopted a planning paper giving a range of possible casualties based on experience in both Europe and the Pacific. Given a troop list of 766,700 men and a 90-day campaign, the US Sixth Army could be expected to suffer between 514,072 casualties (including 134,556 dead and missing) under the "Pacific Experience" (1.95 dead & missing and 7.45 total casualties/1,000 men/day) and 149,046 casualties (including 28,981 dead and missing) under the "European Experience" (0.42 dead & missing and 2.16 total casualties/1,000 men/day).
This assessment included neither casualties suffered after the 90-day mark (US planners envisioned switching to the tactical defensive by D+120[73]), nor personnel losses at sea from Japanese air attacks.
Richard B. Frank, No Bomb: No End pp. 374-375
I don't have an agenda. I'm simply dating historical facts. The U.S. Was not the only factor the allies won the war but believe it or not we were a major factor and please don't even try to refute that.
originally posted by: Kryties
originally posted by: Sheridan91s
Those years we sat idly by revamping our entire manufacturing sector to build war machines to allow us to enter the fray? Is that what you are referring too? You do realize Germany had a decade head start right? And no, we did NOT provoke Japan into attacking us.
Still making stuff up to suit your own agenda.
Please provide PROOF of your assertions.
originally posted by: Kryties
originally posted by: pikestaff
You are forgetting that best estimates of deaths during the invasion of the japanes home islands was HALF A MILLION US servicemen, if the bomb had not been used, who would the US population strung up first when they found out about the 'bomb' ?
Link please?
The Japanese planned an all-out defense of Kyūshū, with little left in reserve for any subsequent defense operations. Casualty predictions varied widely, but were extremely high. Depending on the degree to which Japanese civilians would have resisted the invasion, estimates ran up into the millions for Allied casualties.
originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
originally posted by: Kryties
Link please?
In April 1945, the Joint Chiefs of Staff formally adopted a planning paper giving a range of possible casualties based on experience in both Europe and the Pacific. Given a troop list of 766,700 men and a 90-day campaign, the US Sixth Army could be expected to suffer between 514,072 casualties (including 134,556 dead and missing) under the "Pacific Experience" (1.95 dead & missing and 7.45 total casualties/1,000 men/day) and 149,046 casualties (including 28,981 dead and missing) under the "European Experience" (0.42 dead & missing and 2.16 total casualties/1,000 men/day). Richard B. Frank, No Bomb: No End pp. 374-375
originally posted by: Sheridan91s
I don't have an agenda. I'm simply dating historical facts. The U.S. Was not the only factor the allies won the war but believe it or not we were a major factor and please don't even try to refute that.
originally posted by: Kryties
originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
originally posted by: Kryties
Link please?
In April 1945, the Joint Chiefs of Staff formally adopted a planning paper giving a range of possible casualties based on experience in both Europe and the Pacific. Given a troop list of 766,700 men and a 90-day campaign, the US Sixth Army could be expected to suffer between 514,072 casualties (including 134,556 dead and missing) under the "Pacific Experience" (1.95 dead & missing and 7.45 total casualties/1,000 men/day) and 149,046 casualties (including 28,981 dead and missing) under the "European Experience" (0.42 dead & missing and 2.16 total casualties/1,000 men/day). Richard B. Frank, No Bomb: No End pp. 374-375
OK, still not seeing the justification for vaporizing 260,000 innocent civilian men, women and children.