Child, 11, kills home invasion suspect in north St. Louis

a reply to: hounddoghowlie

3 attempts... where were the police?

It obviously took these intruders a bunch of time to get into the home, why did the police not respond? Or was the child taught not to call the police if someone is trying to intrude.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: hounddoghowlie

Lets see how gun control advocates try to spin this.

Mother was negligent and the fact the kid used a gun to save their lives is child abuse and they need to be removed from the home and she needs to be jailed.
/spun

a reply to: Vector99

11 is about the age my folks started leaving us alone at home. maybe not all day but a couple of hours at a time.
but we were brought up to be respect guns, we had loaded and unloaded guns in the house. our pop taught us how to load and shoot them. we were also taught not to touch them when he was not home unless there was a very good reason to.

Good job, kid. Don't let it mess with you in the head, you did the right thing.

originally posted by: hounddoghowlie
a reply to: Xcathdra

i read another report from NBC news where the cops are already raggin on the mom

It's troubling to say the least and shows that too many young people have access to handguns and the results are usually tragic," St. Louis County Sgt. Brian Schellman told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. Phil Helsel Twitter Email
Boy, 11, Fatally Shoots Teenage Intruder During Home Invasion

well maybe not raggin on the mom but he wasn't praising the boy.
here is the ST. Louis Dispatch article.
11-year-old St. Louis County boy fatally shoots 16-year-old home invader

What do you expect from the same media that groups law-biding firearms owners with criminals that use guns? The "guns bad" meme is the party line with MSM, even when used to save lives.

a reply to: Hijinx

can't tell ya, just have what's in the articles.
but you know what they say, when you need the cops they are only hours away.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: hounddoghowlie

and what the Sgt. is ignoring is the fact that had he not used the gun its possible his agency would be investigating a double homicide. The police were not there and there is no telling how long it would have taken for law enforcement to respond.

The notion people should rely on the police for protection is based on the logical fallacy that police can be everywhere at once and be present before a crime occurs.

They are good at arriving at the crime scene, that is after the crime has happened. If you rely on the police to protect you, you are just a blood stained chalk outline waiting to happen.

a reply to: Boscowashisnamo

sounds about right, leave the problems to us, we are here to help you mentality.

So should we just kill the people we have in prison?

All this cheering over a 20 year old dead.
Was he stupid for breaking in, sure. Did the 11 do what he felt he needed to sure.

Just all this "good another criminal dead" gets to me.
Not making this about the gun, just jubilee that the death of the guy breaking in.

a reply to: Sremmos80

the correction said the intruder was 20. so a full grown adult male broke into their home. the kid shot him dead defending his sister and home.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
So should we just kill the people we have in prison?

All this cheering over a 16 year old dead.
Was he stupid for breaking in, sure. Did the 11 do what he felt he needed to sure.

Just all this "good another criminal dead" gets to me.
Not making this about the gun, just jubilee that the death of the guy breaking in.

Nice to hear another voice of sanity in the world.

a reply to: hounddoghowlie

I was too, I was raised by a single mother. Never a gun in the house though. 11 year olds still play, and no matter how much teaching, an 11 year old sometimes will still be an 11 year old and do stupid stuff. Playing with a gun DOES fall in the category of stupid stuff.

I like the outcome, but there are too many stories of children playing with guns and accidents happening to think your child is different from every other kid. Too much risk in such a situation in my opinion.

a reply to: hounddoghowlie

Ok 20 is still pretty young.
Never heard of a 20 year old turning his life around?

Agreed the kid did what he felt he needed to do. Just think any celebration of death is a dark road to head down. These kids could of been harmed, but the flip side is the family might just be missing a tv. No the kid should not have to wait and find out just we are already painting the 20 year old as someone would have killed and raped based on nothing.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
So should we just kill the people we have in prison?

All this cheering over a 16 year old dead.
Was he stupid for breaking in, sure. Did the 11 do what he felt he needed to sure.

Just all this "good another criminal dead" gets to me.
Not making this about the gun, just jubilee that the death of the guy breaking in.

If they escape prison and make multiple attempts to break into your house and do who knows what to you and anyone else in the house, sure..fire away. Is that even a serious question?. Plus the guy was 20 and not 16.

a reply to: Vector99

of course they do stupid stuff. but you know what if that a@@ got some fire put on it for ____ with the wrong things they wouldn't do that. you don't mess with mom or dads sh@@. it was true back when i was a kid and if it still happened today, it would be true today.

when i was a kid fixin to do stupid stuff, what stopped me wasn't what if the cops or authorities caught me. it was what if momma finds out.

a reply to: Reallyfolks

Ya just edited that, wrote it when 16 was in title.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: hounddoghowlie

Ok 20 is still pretty young.
Never heard of a 20 year old turning his life around?

Agreed the kid did what he felt he needed to do. Just think any celebration of death is a dark road to head down. These kids could of been harmed, but the flip side is the family might just be missing a tv. No the kid should not have to wait and find out just we are already painting the 20 year old as someone would have killed and raped based on nothing.

Home invasions have a tendency to include homicide. 20 years old is young enough to change their life, but ALSO old enough to realize the very real risks of their actions. I don't celebrate the death but it is a good thing it happened.

a reply to: hounddoghowlie

The problem with that nowadays is laws. You can't beat your kids ass for doing stupid # and not expect a punishment yourself. It worked for us because we had to just be good or get our ass whooped.

a reply to: Sremmos80

people have been killed for less than being a witness to a crime. like people in a convince store that saw a armed robbery, or someone steeling their shoes. you can never know sure whats gonna happen. but if you defend yourself and others, you have a good idea what can happen.

my favorite response to those that have bleeding hearts for those that brake the law and pay with their lives.

a reply to: Vector99

They really don't though, they end up with your stuff being gone most of them time.

www.bjs.gov...

In the scope of they study rape and homicide were pretty low.