Kentucky Clerk Kim Davis Found in Contempt of Court - Jail

a reply to: SkepticOverlord

Wow I can't believe I'm hearing this from the site owner.

She is a government employee. She has to follow the law. She can't use her religion as an excuse. Separation of state and church, remember? Religion has no place in the government. She broke the law. It's that simple.

Why do they have to go elsewhere when the others don't?

I am not gay, or American, but if I was all I know is I would make damn sure I stood up for my rights and did not let religious bigotry, misinterpretation and hatred stand. If that means standing my ground and refusing to go to another area to get a marriage license then so-be-it - why should I (or they) have to?

I cannot believe certain upstanding members and "others" on this site are advocating giving in to this nonsense and suggesting the gay couples get their license elsewhere - where's the principle in that? If they did that then the bigots win, they get their way. This is unacceptable on every conceivable level. These religious bigots need to be taught a valuable lesson - that they have absolutely NO right to forcefully push their beliefs onto others and they have absolutely NO right to disobey their lawful oaths to uphold the LAW and not their own personal, bigoted beliefs.

What an absolute disgrace that I have to read this sort of absolute nonsense on ATS of all sites.

For shame

'Let anyone among you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.'

Let’s break that down real quick: Basically, Kim cheated on her first Husband #1 with her Future Husband #3, got pregnant by #3, divorced #1, then married Husband #2, who adopted #3’s twins and then remarried husband #1 again after she became a born again Christian, lets see what the bible has to say about that

"If a man marries a woman who becomes displeasing to him because he finds something indecent about her, and he writes her a certificate of divorce, gives it to her and sends her from his house, and if after she leaves his house she becomes the wife of another man, and her second husband dislikes her and writes her a certificate of divorce, gives it to her and sends her from his house, or if he dies, then her first husband, who divorced her, is not allowed to marry her again after she has been defiled. That would be detestable in the eyes of the Lord. Do not bring sin upon the land the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance" (Deuteronomy 24:1-4).

Lets see what else this “Cafeteria Christian” does not follow in the bible;

For if a woman does not cover her head, she might as well have her hair cut off; but if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, then she should cover her head. (1 Corinthians 11:6)

Adultery can keep you out of the Kingdom of God, the following morsel seems to condemn adultery in the same context as homosexuality, what a hypocrite!!!

“Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God”. Corinthians 6:9-10

Wonder if the numpty realises that her kids born out of wedlock aren't going to Fairytale land either?

“No one born of a forbidden union may enter the assembly of the Lord. Even to the tenth generation, none of his descendants may enter the assembly of the Lord. Deuteronomy 23:2

Pretty sure she's wearing mixed fibres in a lot of her videos;

19'You are to keep My statutes. You shall not breed together two kinds of your cattle; you shall not sow your field with two kinds of seed, nor wear a garment upon you of two kinds of material mixed together. 20Now if a man lies carnally with a woman who is a slave acquired for another man, but who has in no way been redeemed nor given her freedom, there shall be punishment; they shall not, however, be put to death, because she was not free.… Leviticus 19:19

Pretty damn sure that Kimmy would be way, way back there casting the first stone. Wonder when we will have the “Gofundme” page set up for this poor persecuted god fearing Christian woman! From all of the aforementioned she's gonna have a pretty hard time with St Peter at the Pearly gates!!!

originally posted by: ugmold
a reply to: Benevolent Heretic
But God doesn't want her to go to Jail.

That was a bit rude. Let me understand this. A woman decided it was against her religious beliefs...against her God's wishes to perform her job, the court said she must break her religious vows, she refused, she is now in jail and you guys here applaud that? And to the person I'm quoting here...you go the extra step of making fun of her religious beliefs?

Aren't you the same people who support a Muslim woman's "right" to hide her face for her driver's license picture due to her religious beliefs? While I agree this woman should have been fired, I don't believe she should be in jail, nor do I believe a court should make anyone do something that is in opposition to their religious beliefs.

Our society has pretty much decided that anything anyone wants to do or call themselves is fine. We have decided it is fine to be on perpetual welfare, fine to change your sex or decide your own gender identification, that we have the freedom to shout threats at the police, that it is OK for our President and government to say that racial hatred directed towards whites is will not be considered a hate crime, that it is OK to riot and destroy a city if you are black and angry...etc.

But God forbid (pun intended) that you refuse to do something that is in opposition to your religious beliefs...if you are a Christian. That reeks of bigotry to me. While I don't share her beliefs in any way what-so-ever...she is being persecuted and jailed for refusing to condemn her religion and her God. What other religion does our government treat in this way?

A bigot is a bigot...it doesn't matter if you simply disagree with one's beliefs and agree with another's. There is a word for that. Hypocrite. There is no freedom unless there is freedom for all, no rights unless the rights are for everyone and not protection for the persecuted if it is only the persecuted that you agree with that are protected.

So go ahead ATS...go ahead and personally choose who you believe are deserving based upon what you "think" is appropriate. Deny ignorance? It sounds a lot more...at least in this thread...that you are celebrating it.

Makes me sick.

a reply to: SkepticOverlord

Sometimes you just have to make a point - or things will never change. Rosa Parks could have just given up her seat and saved herself a lot of trouble. She still would have gotten to her destination standing up, right? Right???

Being treated with equality under the law IS more important than just getting the marriage license somewhere else.

a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

Let me understand this. A woman decided it was against her religious beliefs...against her God's wishes to perform her job, the court said she must break her religious vows, she refused

If she doesn't like it she can resign. Simple.

While I agree this woman should have been fired, I don't believe she should be in jail, nor do I believe a court should make anyone do something that is in opposition to their religious beliefs.

She cannot be fired. She SWORE an oath to uphold the law and she BROKE it.

Reminder - her freedom of speech and religion was not denied.

a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

The biggest bigot is Kim Davis for imposing her religious beliefs onto others. She banned anyone in her office from also issuing licences which means she is also imposing her religious fundamental beliefs on to her employees in the clerks office. Lets look a little closer to home when casting aspersions on who is and is not being a bigot here.

Kim Davis's Deputies Reportedly Say They Want To Issue Marriage Licenses But Are Too Afraid Of Davis

a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

When the person is not a hypocrite and actually can demonstrate she's following her religion and has any concept what so ever it's about.

I'm sorry but I'm done accepting someone's bs claims about religious persecution when only a completely illiterate moron could interpret the bible they claim to follow that way. Especially when they're talking about things they themselves have spat on time and time again. This women talks about the sacredness of marriage while having herself raped the very concept of everything marriage is supposed to stand for, especially according to the book she claims to follow in the eyes of God.

No, sorry her religious persecution claim is complete and total bollocks. Just because you say something is against your religion, doesn't mean it actually is. The woman is just a bigot trying to use the Christian religion as a shield. She is wronging both the God real or imaginary, as well as the whole religion itself by misrepresenting it.

Every time a Christian supports this crap, they're supporting people making a mockery of their religion and not defending it at all.

a reply to: Puppylove

Nor should it trump the law of the land.
My Monkey religion says I should walk around naked and fling poo but I can't because it is against the law.
Should my religious right be to walk around naked and fling poo?

a reply to: Annee

Of course. As they should. There is no valid reason to force them to another county.

a reply to: boymonkey74

My Monkey religion says I should walk around naked and fling poo but I can't because it is against the law.

And yet you still do it.

I AM JUST KIDDING!

But anyway yes she is a government employee so she can't use religion to deny services to certain people.

a reply to: boymonkey74

Dirty, dirty monkey. Go and wash you mouth out!

Freedom of Religion does not mean freedom to discriminate (or throw poop and walk around naked)

a reply to: kaylaluv

besides, the whole mentality behind this is kind of wrong.
the laws can't interfer with my acting, or not acting, based on my beliefs? really??
it has, many times throughout the history of this country.
heck the kings and queens sincerely believed that God gave them absolute authority over their kingdoms....was it an infringement of their religious rights when that absolute authority was taken from them?
slavery was once justified using bible verses, and many slave owners believed it was their god given right to own slaves, and yet slavery is gone...
polygamy--gone
spousal abuse against the wives- I've heard some preachers lamenting that this is illegal, that husbands sometimes to have reasons to physically strike their wives.... are we going against the constitution when we haul them off to jail?
arranged marriages-- not gone but the do go contradictory to the laws don't they?
women in the workplace-- nothing can legally be done to keep them out of it, is there? can't refuse to hire them based on your religious views, can you?

that's just some of the beliefs that christians have held over time that the gov't has stepped in and intervened with, mostly because they saw it as hindering the rights of another person.
we are a nation of many religions, and some are really out in far left and far right field.
to say that the gov't has no power to protect the people from these religious views when they hinder the rights of those around them just isn't correct. it has in the past!!

a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

Knowing she couldn't do her job, why didn't she just resign? Hmmm? I know if I had a job that required me to do something I didn't want to, I would just quit. Why didn't she just quit? Because she wanted to control what happened in her county. That's a little different than just not wanting to do something against her religion. She thought she could rule over her county and stop same sex marriage there. That was her goal. Queen Kim Davis - ruler of her Kentucky county.

Since she has to be impeached and not just fired, she thought that because impeachment proceedings typically take so long, that she she could continue to stop same sex marriage in her county in the meantime. Nice try, but the judge was on to her, hence the jail sentence. Sorry, her county is not a theocracy, she doesn't get to rule over it. She doesn't get to decide that same sex marriage licenses aren't gonna happen in her county.

a reply to: dawnstar

Yes, the example about the Kings having the God-granted right to rule is a great example. Kim Davis thinks she has the God-given right to rule over her county and stop same-sex marriage there.

a reply to: kaylaluv

Knowing she couldn't do her job, why didn't she just resign?

That would have been the right thing to do.
Judging by the history of her personal life (multiple marriages and adultery).... She doesn't have a handle 'doing the right thing'.

What if her new found faith told her that she should stop issuing gun licenses?

a reply to: Kali74

What if her new found faith told her that she should stop issuing gun licenses?

Oh gosh that would bring in the sh1tstorm. The NRA folks will be all over her.

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
She is a government employee. She has to follow the law. She can't use her religion as an excuse. Separation of state and church, remember? Religion has no place in the government. She broke the law. It's that simple.

Yes, my agreement with that seems to be getting lost.

a reply to: Kali74

Aww hell no, let that b*tch rot in jail!