Hillary's Server Guy To Plead The 5TH

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Could be.
Don't think it should be so black and white as that.

You think that was the point of putting it in?

Why don't we just take it out then if its only use is to protect people who are guilty.

Not what I said. You are the one who made the assumption it was incriminating in your post (would you incriminate yourself). I simply said if that is the assumption, then what they did was criminal. Now, even if it DOES mean what a person did was criminal, it still needs to be proven, and that can't be used as proof in a court of law. Public opinion is different.

originally posted by: IAMTAT

The former aide, Bryan Pagliano, was subpoenaed to testify before a House committee, but a lawyer for Mr. Pagliano has told the panel that Mr. Pagliano will decline to answer their questions and will assert his Fifth Amendment right.

Hilary did nothing wrong, this aid went rogue and set it all up on his own....

Pleading the 5th is certainly no admission of guilt.

When a person has been served a summons, or is a defendant or potential future defendant, they may refuse to answer questions... to law enforcement, to the courts, when they are being deposed, etc... or simply wants to tell some authority "I refuse to speak to you, beyond my assertion to exercise my right to remain silent."

Anyone here that says otherwise, or says "it means you are guilty", has been watching too much American TV (or has never needed legal help for an arrest, because they were clearly absent during whatever meager "civics" training was afforded them.)

"(The) Supreme Court held that “a witness may have a reasonable fear of prosecution and yet be innocent of any wrongdoing. The [Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination] serves to protect the innocent who otherwise might be ensnared by ambiguous circumstances.”

In other words... even "the law" is not "above the law". Theoretically anyway.

You can be tossed into a black site, put to death, and/or never seen or heard from again... (and your family may never even know what happened to you)... on mere suspicion, under the NDAA section 1021.

So much for "the law"... LOL

a reply to: IAMTAT

Earlier this year I was flamed and skewered by a number of posters for listing murky events HRC was a part of, and for opining that this server topic would derail her campaign for Presidency. This issue will be one she can't slither away from, can't spin it in a positive light. I don't hold personal feelings for many who hold public office, but I detest this woman almost as much as I detest Cheney. Both haven't had this country's interest at heart, and both revel in the power bases they've accumulated.

With each revelation of the server scandal, voters will see her for what she truly is: untrustworthy, and polls reflect this. About time.

Just wondering here....
Is this guy's lawyer, Mark McDougal,
Related to...
James and Susan McDougal of Whitewater fame?

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: IAMTAT

The former aide, Bryan Pagliano, was subpoenaed to testify before a House committee, but a lawyer for Mr. Pagliano has told the panel that Mr. Pagliano will decline to answer their questions and will assert his Fifth Amendment right.

Hilary did nothing wrong, this aid went rogue and set it all up on his own....

"EXXXXCELLLLLENT...exxxxxcelllllent....Yes, Huma...we shall go with that!"

originally posted by: butcherguy
Just wondering here....
Is this guy's lawyer, Mark McDougal,
Related to...
James and Susan McDougal of Whitewater fame?

No relation, apparently.
My error, Mark MacDougall.... totally different spelling. I was going off half-cocked.

Hmmmm....

But in a letter to the committee, his lawyer said he’d take the Fifth to refuse to answer self-incriminating questions, according to a copy obtained by POLITICO. He also is refusing to turn over documents, citing the ongoing FBI investigation.

www.politico.com...

He has to plead to 5th in order to prevent being 6 feet under. Remember, the Clinton's own those who work for them.

originally posted by: Freenrgy2
He has to plead to 5th in order to prevent being 6 feet under. Remember, the Clinton's own those who work for them.

He's safe now that he's on the media radar. He'll probably cut a deal to spill the beans for immunity from prosecution.

If the GOP have any sense and really want to take Hillary down, can't they grant immunity and then force this guy to testify?

a reply to: jefwane

That is probably what will happen.

a reply to: jefwane
Great thought. They should do that with all of HRC's aides. But, the GOP might not be able to handle the truth.

Couldn't they simply say :

"Sir, we grant you immunity. YOU are not the subject of the investigation. If you were following orders of your superior, then you are NOT incriminating yourself."

News from Bloomberg just up: The FBI is now investigating her server for evidence of hacking.

The FBI has begun a probe into whether foreign intelligence services compromised Hillary Clinton's e-mail server during and after her tenure as secretary of state, according to U.S. intelligence and Congressional officials.

The damage assessment, which is part of the bureau's investigation into whether the former secretary and her staff mishandled classified information, will hunt for digital traces of cyber-espionage by foreign governments.

www.bloombergview.com...

a reply to: burntheships

I'm surprised they're only just now beginning to check for that.

What's interesting is this really is only all making news in conservative news circles.

When the Lewinski thing was going on -- it was covered by ALL news outlets, no matter the political bias...

a reply to: IAMTAT

Agreed, though maybe they had to finish the recovery first?
ETA:
Not sure how long that process would take, or what exactly
is involved...probably more than just a software program?

originally posted by: IAMTAT
a reply to: burntheships

I'm surprised they're only just now beginning to check for that.

I'm not.

Somehow I get the feeling the Clinton is calling in every favor from every single high level person they know. Including the FBI.

Maybe even some threats.

a reply to: burntheships

Most likely the hard drives were removed from the server and destroyed. New hard drives installed and the operating system reinstalled. They will never find anything unless they can find backups.

The only reason I can figure out that this guy wants to plead the 5th is because he was complicit and anything he says will further implicate himself. If he wasn't complicit, then he cannot plead the 5th because it is only there to keep you from implicating yourself, not someone else.