Is This Mass Exodus To Europe Happening Now a Kind of Trojan Horse From ISIS ?

a reply to: CosmicDude

Then why demonise/propagate fear?
Posters have said what the actual problem will be,
namely different belief systems & social values.
This is more likely than 'trojan horse' scenarios.

a reply to: deckdel

And Mexico has been doing that to the states for years
and no one sees a issue

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Well, unfortunately it's impossible to stop the influx. A lot of it does have to do with the guilt complex but a lot of it is just an unstoppable infusion of refugees. People are finding ways to come over.

Why Brits(and everyone) should help out and take some of these people on is because having the star football player out of the game in the Eurozone is going to effect the world economy. We are all tied through derivatives and central banking at this point. Average people will be the ones bleeding from the impending financial disaster caused by this bombardment of Muslims.

yes, IS already said they will be sending their warriors along with the refugees.

europe is aware of this and there are already agents scanning the stream of immigrants. yet i'm afraid they are unable to cope with the present situation.

that's one problem.

the other one is: europe basically receives hordes of people it can not sustain sufficiently. this creates a plethora of unsatisfied muslims who then become radicals which leads to civil disturbances.

why germany? because of their nazi past and guilt germans are now extremely friendly to immigrants. those immigrants know very well from which country they get the most profits.
why don't they stay in macedonia or hungary? because there they get beaten and kicked.
in germany the get more money then in their homeland and a plasma tv.
what germany gets from those muslims in turn i am not quite sure...

originally posted by: DelMarvel
Yeah, maybe, but the vast majority of these people are genuine refugees.

The war in Syria has been going on for years. There were millions of Syrians displaced long before ISIS came to power.

EDIT: The Russians and Iranians should have to take care of some of these people. They're the ones who propped up Assad and prevented moderates from taking over.

Would these be the same 'moderates' that the West armed,trained and kitted out with a nice fleet of SUVs?

Germany isn't getting payback lol, the long term concern would be for the refugees, it doesn't matter what they did in their past, Germany wont be overrun, that sort of thing is up to the people who will remain vastly the majority and when people's lives start to "actually" be ruined there is a reaction and the Govt will be representative of the people...

What i'm saying is if this get's a lot worse these people are doomed not Germany

originally posted by: DelMarvel
EDIT: The Russians and Iranians should have to take care of some of these people. They're the ones who propped up Assad and prevented moderates from taking over.

umm, maybe the US and the UK should take care of some of these people. they're the ones who destroyed Iraq and removed Saddam and bred ISIS which led to this mess.

Over half the refugees ariving in germany are from kosovo and Albania.

These people from syria and africa pay thousands of euros. THOUSANDS OF EUROS.

Theres people in the u.k without 2 pennies to rub together. Caught in a poverty trap. The more migrants the more the welfare state gets eroded.

This migrant crisis is in the media to deflect the terrible consequences for indiginous peoples of western europe. Tens of thousands of western children are being gang raped by thousands of foreigners. Rape is a weopon of war.
1 in 8 in the u.k was not born here.And you think germany has problems.

The ignorance in these threads really makes me weep.
I genuinely hope you're all teenagers and there are no adults here genuinely expressing such ignorance toward others.

First of all, we already have differences of belief and social attitudes in our countries, and it has no bearing on law as decided by that democratic society. The notion that these people are all "child abusing perverts" is so extremely ignorant I don't even know where to start. It's vomitous to spout such disgusting propaganda.

Syria was not some nation of desert-dwelling Muslim heathens, but this kind of ignorance about the world is something I would sadly expect from many westerners.

On a day when we saw a TODDLER washing ashore drowned, along with several other entirely innocent kids killed trying to escape Syria, this kind of propaganda and fear mongering is disgusting.

People, show some f-ing Humanity !

a reply to: Rocker2013

Bravo Rocker!

I'm not going to say the "Trojan horse" idea has not occasionally entered my thoughts, but better judgment prevails and I realize the vast majority of these people are seeking "Refuge". Godspeed.

originally posted by: Rocker2013
The ignorance in these threads really makes me weep.
I genuinely hope you're all teenagers and there are no adults here genuinely expressing such ignorance toward others.

First of all, we already have differences of belief and social attitudes in our countries, and it has no bearing on law as decided by that democratic society. The notion that these people are all "child abusing perverts" is so extremely ignorant I don't even know where to start. It's vomitous to spout such disgusting propaganda.

Syria was not some nation of desert-dwelling Muslim heathens, but this kind of ignorance about the world is something I would sadly expect from many westerners.

On a day when we saw a TODDLER washing ashore drowned, along with several other entirely innocent kids killed trying to escape Syria, this kind of propaganda and fear mongering is disgusting.

People, show some f-ing Humanity !

How many little white girls getting gang raped repeatedly should we tolerate?
Its soft thinking people like you which is destroying any chance of a decent civilisation anywhere on this planet. The reffugees can go to poland and romania and be quite safe.

a reply to: CosmicDude

How long will it take before Europe decides that this psycho's idea is a good idea?

a reply to: Rocker2013

For people who adhere to Islam they do believe that.

Why?

Because it's in their silly book of course.

Just like how people who adhere to Christianity and Judaism believe that women are to submit to their husbands.

Also, no one said anything about any deserts. Syria is has a Mediterranean climate.

Also if you think that fundamentalist beliefs don't erode away the rights of people who want nothing to do with it in democratic countries, I will have to disagree.

I am in Texas right now and if I got raped it would be very difficult for me to get an abortion(don't have car). It wasn't always this way. At one time I have been able to freely control my own body in a circumstance like that. So if you think that fundamentalist nutso's can't change a country or area permanently(even scarier for women in these parts because these guys make the whackos in the United States look mild) then I don't know what to say.

This is also a nation where the female literacy rate sits at 73%(which makes you wonder how they got that data if 1/4 of the females can't even read) entering a nation that has 99%. Males fairing not much better at 86%. Where many girls are pawned off as child brides. To say they aren't and that it isn't done on a widespread basis is being dishonest.

Now that doesn't mean that these aren't people that need help, but the reality of their religion and beliefs is what it is. If they truly adhere to Islam, they are automatically against anyone who believes in equal rights and a woman's right to control her own body. This should be disconcerting for Germany as they have done pretty well up until now of becoming a quite progressive country in a lot of areas.

These people do need help but for a nation that has only 80 million people living there, other countries need to help in distributing these refugees in a logical manner.

One million people entering a country with 80 million people in such a short amount of time is going to cause very bad things to happen.

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Those that did that are long dead.

Essentially,you've blamed yourself for bombing Nagasaki.

Please think before typing.

a reply to: Foundryman

I hate these cryptic replies. Wtf is JV? Why don't you just say what you're on about instead of using vague acronyms for those of us who have to guess?

It's an increasing trend on ATS. IF you want to use acronyms then you should elaborate what it means before you use it. It's basic principles of writing.

Wow, We really are heartless b@$tards aren't we. There might be a danger in the future but there also could be a 'coming together' of 2 religions that have been at war since the year ....
Lets not explore the possibility of uniting these religions by showing Islam we are not bad because we have more freedoms, will they not want to adapt to our lifestyles? It will be hard but already I see rebellion in their ranks. The younger generation is mixing more and finding its own place integrating with other societies. It is a very slow process and will take generations and sacrifices on both sides.
We will always have hard line Neanderthals but they will die out when their children see we are family orientated and want the same as them.
Not 1 post has mentioned uniting the 2, we would rather get defensive.
the way they manipulate us is by thinking we are going to lose something thus giving us something to protect.
YOU HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE, ITS A MYTH. YOU HAVE EVERYTHING TO GAIN IS THE TRUTH.

a reply to: Rocker2013
well said.

originally posted by: disregard
How many little white girls getting gang raped repeatedly should we tolerate?

Why don;t you ask the Catholic Priests, the 70's TV stars, the Politicians and the many thousands of WHITE, WESTERN, CHRISTIAN child abusers we see every year in all of our countries?

originally posted by: disregard
Its soft thinking people like you which is destroying any chance of a decent civilisation anywhere on this planet. The reffugees can go to poland and romania and be quite safe.

It's ignorance like yours that is allowing thousands of entirely innocent people to be trafficked, to drown in capsizing boats, to be left with nothing while they wait in a European nation they managed to get to desperate for some security.

I would rather be "soft" than entirely inhumane toward other people based on generalized ignorance spouted by the right-wing propaganda press, especially when that bs is based on highly selective examples for xenophobic reasons.

There are millions of people from all walks of life in our countries, and there are thousands of white, Christian men abusing kids in our countries too, but ignorant people want to try to pretend that the only problem we see is specific to a certain race/religion, when that's OBVIOUSLY BULLSH*T to anyone with half a damn brain.

originally posted by: OrphanApology
a reply to: Rocker2013

For people who adhere to Islam they do believe that.

Why?

Because it's in their silly book of course.

Just like how people who adhere to Christianity and Judaism believe that women are to submit to their husbands.

So now you believe that all Christians are racists, sexists, homophobes and abusers too?
You conveniently ignore that there are millions upon millions of Christians in all of our countries NOT doing that.
You conveniently ignore the millions of Muslims in our countries NOT doing that too.

You really don't see how ignorant you are, do you?

And that's the problem.
The right-wing, nationalist, ignorant brainwashing is so damn ingrained for many here that they will willingly condemn thousands of entirely innocent women and children to death through inaction.

I'm going to say it, and I don't care what people think of me saying so, this kind of attitude is something I would expect from Neo Nazis in Germany. It's disgusting to see this kind of ignorance on ATS, in a community I would normally credit with being just a little more intelligent and analytical than many others when it comes to international issues.