Russians & NASA Discredit 'Fossil Fuel' Theory: Demise of Junk CO2 Science

originally posted by: MamaJ
a reply to: jaffo

Oh for crying out loud, what else would you have us do? Ignore the resources available there? You realize the plastic making up the computer you are typing on COMES FROM OIL, right?

Does that make it right? Umm.... no it doesn't.

Dependency on oil is definitely something we are accustomed to as well as a great money maker for the elite. Wars are fought over such and no... it's not right.

It's not right we have tons and tons of plastic in our waters... islands of them.

If you are not Recycling and believe in these resources long term... then you are a part of the problem imo.

Yeah well I DO recycle and I also drive a car. I use oil. SO DO YOU. We use oil because it gives the most bang for your buck. When that changes, we'll stop using oil.

originally posted by: jinni73

Last week new NASA photographs proved methane lakes exist on Saturn's moon, Titan, showing that such hydrocarbons (or so-called 'fossil fuels') are seemingly plentiful in our solar system. Cassini passes Saturn This startling discovery turns on its head the long-held western belief that petroleum is a limited resource, because it is primarily derived (we had been told) from the fossilized remains of dead dinosaurs and rotted carbon-based vegetation.

www.principia-scientific.org...

This is from a team of Swedish scientists that did not have to leave the planet to find out that we have been lied to all the time in order to keep prices high
viewzone.com...

The Russians for decades reinvested all there Oil profits in working out how to drill deeper as they always knew this and eventually worked out how to drill down to 40 thousand feet where the mineral is naturally produced this is why they have become the No 1 oil supplier in the world.

This could be the reason why Oil prices are falling, yet no announcements on the Main Stream News although that's not surprise seeing Murdoch Is a partner with one of the Rothschilds in a massive gas field in Syria and I'm pretty sure the Rockerfellers work for/with the Rothschilds in controlling most of the Oil industry

Makes you wonder why they are doing all the Fracking if Oil is a replenishable resource especially due to all the Methane and destabilising the Earths crust that fracking causes.

I am surprised no-one else has put this news on here as it does not come up on the search feature and anyway why hasn't it been made a sticky so everyone who comes onto this forum knows that the forum title is incorrect.

as well as its now a proven fact that peak oil is just a con

We weren't lied to because they found it on another planet. It is a limited resource on earth. It's not as if we can build a pipe line from those lakes to earth. We will need to create new technology just to go grab "ancient" technology.

a reply to: Phage

Since when does oil end up "below" the fossil records and in the rock?

originally posted by: intrptr
The low price per barrel hasn't translated to the pump, the price of a gallon of gas is still so high that people are driving less than they used to, creating an apparent surplus, driving down the price of crude.

Oil mega giants keep exploring and drilling to have surplus in case something goes wrong with the big puddle in the Middle East. Like sinking a tanker in the straits or nuking the Crown Jewels, for instance.

Im sure I'm wrong there, somebody explain it…

$1.89 per gallon here.

Harte

originally posted by: jinni73

The Russians for decades reinvested all there Oil profits in working out how to drill deeper as they always knew this and eventually worked out how to drill down to 40 thousand feet where the mineral is naturally produced this is why they have become the No 1 oil supplier in the world.

Umm, no. Saudi Arabia is still the world's largest supplier/producer/extractor of oil. And where did you get this idea that oil is a mineral?

Can you link any sources qualifying Russia as the "No 1 oil supplier", or a source that suggests oil is mineral? Just a heads up: you're gonna need a great deal of time finding a source for either claim.

Methane is not petroleum but it does burn. Thus, the suggestion we're going to run out of energy because we will eventually have nothing to burn seems a little bit........false. Basically, what this means (in my mind) is we are not necessarily at the mercy of our petroleum reserves. We just have to be a little more creative and adapt.

a reply to: BeefNoMeat

Well i didn't find those claims just yet, but I did find this:
www.rense.com...

Next stop, researching white tiger Vietnam

originally posted by: jinni73


The Russians for decades reinvested all there Oil profits in working out how to drill deeper as they always knew this and eventually worked out how to drill down to 40 thousand feet where the mineral is naturally produced this is why they have become the No 1 oil supplier in the world.

This could be the reason why Oil prices are falling, yet no announcements on the Main Stream News although that's not surprise seeing Murdoch Is a partner with one of the Rothschilds in a massive gas field in Syria and I'm pretty sure the Rockerfellers work for/with the Rothschilds in controlling most of the Oil industry

Makes you wonder why they are doing all the Fracking if Oil is a replenishable resource especially due to all the Methane and destabilising the Earths crust that fracking causes.

I am surprised no-one else has put this news on here as it does not come up on the search feature and anyway why hasn't it been made a sticky so everyone who comes onto this forum knows that the forum title is incorrect.

as well as its now a proven fact that peak oil is just a con

a reply to: jinni73

(A) Your source "Principia-Scientific" is a paid for climate denial propaganda rag..

Holy Sh*&...Look at their headlines from just the past week...How can you take them seriously?
www.principia-scientific.org...

(B) Explain the difference between the atmosphere on Titan and the Earth...then get back to me..

The thing I have always wondered about oil, is what happens to the parts of the earth it's extracted from? Are there massive empty cavities in the earth? If so how do they not collapse?

a reply to: Vector99

They do. And fracking causes earthquakes.

originally posted by: Vector99
The thing I have always wondered about oil, is what happens to the parts of the earth it's extracted from? Are there massive empty cavities in the earth? If so how do they not collapse?

Petroleum is found in porous rock, like limestone or sandstone. This petroleum can sometimes seep right up through the water table, forming tar pits.

originally posted by: FlySolo
a reply to: Vector99

They do. And fracking causes earthquakes.

No they do not. The connection between fracking and earthquakes is anecdotal but convincing. They may be caused if the rock it too porous, becoming brittle as the oil is extracted.

Here's a VERY interesting factoid. For all of the "fossil fuel" proponents, I searched "methane compressed to 30 or 40 kbar yields hydrocarbons" to look for a study I was reading about and I found it.

Methane-derived hydrocarbons produced under upper-mantle conditions

Anton Kolesnikov1,2, Vladimir G. Kutcherov2,3 & Alexander F. Goncharov1

Abstract
There is widespread evidence that petroleum originates from biological processes1, 2, 3. Whether hydrocarbons can also be produced from abiogenic precursor molecules under the high-pressure, high-temperature conditions characteristic of the upper mantle remains an open question. It has been proposed that hydrocarbons generated in the upper mantle could be transported through deep faults to shallower regions in the Earth’s crust, and contribute to petroleum reserves4, 5. Here we use in situ Raman spectroscopy in laser-heated diamond anvil cells to monitor the chemical reactivity of methane and ethane under upper-mantle conditions. We show that when methane is exposed to pressures higher than 2 GPa, and to temperatures in the range of 1,000–1,500 K, it partially reacts to form saturated hydrocarbons containing 2–4 carbons (ethane, propane and butane) and molecular hydrogen and graphite. Conversely, exposure of ethane to similar conditions results in the production of methane, suggesting that the synthesis of saturated hydrocarbons is reversible. Our results support the suggestion that hydrocarbons heavier than methane can be produced by abiogenic processes in

www.nature.com...

I would also like to add, no pretroleum have ever been made from plant material in the laboratory under the same conditions.

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: FlySolo
a reply to: Vector99

They do. And fracking causes earthquakes.

No they do not. The connection between fracking and earthquakes is anecdotal but convincing. They may be caused if the rock it too porous, becoming brittle as the oil is extracted.

I was wondering how long it would take for someone to come along and contradict me. Would you like to make a wager?

Whether abiotic oil is fact or fiction, is immaterial folks...

If hydrocarbons turned out to be SOLELY generated by geologic processes, that still can't get you past the basic functional math of "supply and demand".

At modern oil consumption rates, the truth is pretty irrelevant. Let's say it's true... and abiotic oil is a reality. That doesn't magically turn oil sources and discoveries into a "magic vending machine". Abiotic theory is about a PROCESS, not a goose that lays a golden egg on demand.

Consumption STILL far outstrips productive abiotic capacity, without even getting into market conditions and manipulations.

"Peak Oil" can be as simple as a profound geo-political event. People just get their ideologies and beliefs shoved up their bumms so far, that they won't even deal with the realities of simple math and time analysis.

By all means... have the argument and discussion, about what the reality is... but don't think for a minute it sprinkles fairy dust on and transforms the math of consumption vs discovery and geologic processes.



Cheers!

a reply to: dasman888

Ah, but they replenish themselves in 3-10 years. Take a look at the white tiger oil well. Along with many others.

a reply to: FlySolo

About what, exactly?

a reply to: jinni73

The "Kola Super Deep Bore Hole" was not an oil exploration project.

a reply to: DJW001

well my point. I said fracking causes earthquakes and you said it didn't.