Is the increasing use of Cremation in the west behind the UFO phenomenon?

originally posted by: beansidhe
a reply to: ufoorbhunter

That's an interesting theory, I would never have thought of connecting cremation with ufo's. Ley lines/fairy roads/dead roads are well known for having 'spirit lights', and ufo sighting are sometimes like that (or so I believe, knowing barely anything about ufo's).

Do you know why cremation was illegal until 1885? Just wondering.

By not allowing the body to be left in the soil of Planet Earth and sending it into the sky through cremation are we unwittingly creating the ufo phenomenon?

Arguably 'fairy' phenomena was the fore-runner to ufo phenomena, but is cremation the reason why? I have no idea, but it's a good thing to ponder.

I was working on the theory that the ufo orbs are the possible spirits of the deceased (human beings0 and the motherships are possibly the soul collectors? Iv'e heard similar from somewhere and it does make sense with reality.

originally posted by: TechniXcality
a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Why would a spiritual entity be bound to a geographic location who is now 'free' floating? Not only that, but just because it has been legal does not mean it didn't happen before it was legal! For something to be illegal it must of happened, and further for something to become legal,it is happening and public opinion changes on the matter.

The geographical location may be determined by the energy lines that cris cross Planet Earth (ley lines). Many religions talk of these lines, Feng Shway, Dead Roads in Holland, Fairy Roads in Ireland, these energy lines are known all around the world in different cultures and religions.

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Body's didn't burn pre legality in the west?

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

We may not have a choice between cremation or being buried in the future. Eventually we'll be running out of land space for burials. In addition, considering the continued increase costs of vaults, caskets,and tombstones, the majority of people may not be able to afford it.

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

In Christian countries, cremation fell out of favour due to the Christian belief in the physical resurrection of the body and as a mark of difference from the Iron Age European pre-Christian Pagan religions, which usually cremated their dead. It was even made a crime punishable with death by Charlemagne in 789 for this reason

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Ok, I see, to allow for resurrection.
Motherships as soul collectors is a cool idea. Would they not be cross with burials then, since they couldn't 'harvest' souls if the body went into the earth? Or maybe they don't have feelings about the whole thing, it just so happens there are less burials and so they can collect more souls now?

I do not know! There does seem to be a link between the lights/orbs and burial mounds, and ufo's, so yes I can see what you're saying.

I would expect the opposite... someone being buried would create a resurgence of electrical activity since the body is still able to provide some charge as it is decomposing. Cremation would just completely wipe away everything and be done with everything once and for all. Thus, the "soul" moving on and not lingering.

I still think someone who is familiar with EVP should ask about aliens and UFO's next time they dabble with it. Maybe some resident ghost hunters on ATS.

What do I care what they do with the container?
I'm gone.

Very very interesting outlook and very creative thinking. While no one can be sure it is an interesting avenue to approach when speaking of the UFO orb phenomenon. Well no I don't believe all UFO phenomenon are the same this could be an explanation or part of the reason that these or UFOs seem to have an intelligence to them along with the sort of lackadaisical movement that is associated with them as they wander about sort of aimlessly with no purpose. How they seem to notice when they are noticed, and are often seen repeatedly by the same person or groups of people. How they move instantly between here and some where else as they appear and disappear from view.

These Orbs have long been associated with hauntings and the like, maybe some can move about freely while others are bound to a location. As the straight lines go, there are esoteric writings speaking of moving at 90° between dimensions. I believe Enoch said something about moving in curves to avoid the ones who can only move in straight lines. I could be confusing a few thing together there, sometimes my brain is no working..

Anyway great thread! Thank you!

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

I recently had a similar thought, except the cremations are replaced with nukes. If for every nuke test a conscious orb was created, would we know?

a reply to: wastedown

I believe Enoch said something about moving in curves to avoid the ones who can only move in straight lines. I could be confusing a few thing together there, sometimes my brain is no working..

Urgh, that's a creepy quote. Do you know where it comes from? (Don't say 'bible', I mean which bit!)

The only reason I'm being cremated is cost. I will not pay $15,000 for a fancy box that's just going to get buried and someone to do my hair, dress me in a suit, put on makeup, all to be the center of a parade.
Just stick me in the furnace, light it and put my ashes in a paper box and leave me some place nice. Like my favorite fishing spot. I don't need my body anymore, so why is everyone so damn set on treating it like I'm still in it. Take whatever spare parts are still good and torch the rest.

I'll wade in with another, "Bravo for creative thinking, sir or madam!"

Some orb UFO's are seemingly linked with haunting phenomena ... and I've experienced both UFOs and those things some call 'spirits' (in sorta quotes because I'm not sure what to accurately call intelligence without bodies that wouldn't bring baggage with it).

And as to the "straight pathways" for spirits, I've long wondered why something with no physicality as we know it would limit itself to a location, or haunt, or pathway? I've also had something invisible pound on a window, seemingly unable to get into a house after chasing us outside... and that physicality confounded me.

Perhaps the concept of walls effect spirits.. .if everything is truly a conscious construct? OR perhaps the etheric body has validity, and construction makes etheric walls as well as solid ones?

I also wonder about the disengagement of 'spirit' from body upon death... read that three days were needed for most to separate (from Tibetan Book of the Dead if memory serves)... in fact, when my mother died, I purposefully left her in the morgue for three days before her cremation... just in case (sorry for morbidity).

So... wonderful topic, and thread.

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Is the increasing use of Cremation in the west behind the UFO phenomenon?

The reason cremation has been increasing is that it is cheaper than being buried...

www.neptunesociety.com...

As for the UFO phenomenon...I doubt being cremated has anything to do with it.

I always thought that, until I visited Mallorca this year.

I went on an excursion and the guide pointed out the biggest cemetery in Palma. As he was explaining that it was the largest cemetery, he included the fact that burial there costs around £1,000, cremation cost around £3,500. I think they are being ripped off!!

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Huh.

I have to agree - very creative.

But haven't Buddhists cremated their
dead for at least 500 years? Do Buddhists
get more UFO sightings?

I do say that our plasma buddies live
in either the earth or in our bodies
depending on various factors including
the sunspot cycle. (see my ATS posts)

Now if you can gather more data and
correlations you may have an interesting
case study there.

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

I don't know about the whole ufo relation but when I die I want my remains to be thrown into a volcano.
It's in my will. Hopefully my kids will find a way to manage this.

To me it's about the connection, earth to sky, earth to underworld, born of fire, ashes to ashes. No witchcraft or any holistic exaggeration, just returning to the navel of my home world.

Being buried never set well with me. I don't want to be remembered as a tombstone, in a specific location. I'd like to be felt everywhere and remembered by the legacy I left behind.

Anyway, I'm rambling, op did you see the many reports of people seeing lights in the woods?
It's exactly what your talking about.

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

That's a gruesome theory!

But I suppose it's very similar to my own observation
(yes, observation not theory).

When the little plasma entity that had been maturing in me
finished it's life cycle, it burst out of the top of my head,
just like in the old yoga stories, that at the moment of
'enlightenment' the 'soul' moves the skull sutures and leaves
out the top of the head.

Well that's what happened to me.. not that *I* was
'enlightened', but the little plasma entity WAS
"enlightened" - (finished hatching).

That's why the plasma entities invented religion..
the more we focus on 'our soul' the faster they
hatch, until they are done with their incubator
(us) then they leave.

Apparently the Buddha knew this, as he taught
against the concept of the soul. Maybe the
same thing happened to him.. that's why
he knew too.

So where the little fellows go after they
finish nesting in us, i have no idea.

I don't tend to tell people this, as it's
depressing to nearly everyone who
hears it.. but here you were
researching it, and posted about it,
so I figured I might as well come clean.

Kev

originally posted by: Bybyots
a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Wow.

That's some fresh and original thinking. This sort of thing is really interesting to me and I often wonder, as you do, about our funerary practices and those of other cultures.

You know? The whole straight-path (ley line) thing found all over Europe had to do with keeping the dead traveling in straight lines; that has always fascinated me.

Anyhow, I enjoyed reading your thoughts on this. Have a good one.

Just like those skinwalkers have to travel certain paths!

And in super string theory the calabi yau manifolds have
a certain geometry per universe; perhaps that's where
"ley lines" come from; also of course magnetic field
variations of the Earth would have a factor, as
according to Einstein's General relativity there is
no time or space as we think of them, simply a field
which responds to actions, giving the impression of
space and time.

Kev

a reply to: beansidhe

It has been said that demons only can travel in straight lines. In feng shui this is why screens are put up.

a reply to: beansidhe

The Emerald Tablets, maybe. The Book of Enoch... Not 100% sure... Something about it just rang a bell... Maybe another member will come along that recalls what I am mentioning... Lord knows if I have something wrong, someone will correct me, seems ATS is good that way. Lol

Very interesting topic, that, if explored more, could lead to more realistic answers to all of the questions we have regarding both death and U.F.O's.

Think electricity. The rythym of the heart, the heartbeat, is simply one form of electricity. Who's to say that the same cannot be said about the soul?

When the body dies, do the electrical currents, like one ones that keep the heart beating, also just fade away? When you flick a light switch off, the bulb goes out yet the currents in the wires are still active. When you die, the body dies.....not the electrical currents that kept it going.

By that measure, if you get buried then the currents stay in the body. When you get cremated.........where do they go? Do they act like steel drawn to a magnet and gravitate towards the ley lines?

Remember all the mystery about the Bermuda Triangle all those years ago? Some people thought U.F.O's were behind it all, but it came to pass that the area in question just had more electricity in the air than normal. Alot more.

I believe there is a connection here somewhere between all of this. What is it? Don't know. But if we stop speculating and talking about it, we never will.

So again, great topic OP. Keep up the good work.