Enlightenment - The balance of duality?

a reply to: Peeple

Luck is the general term. It could mean good or bad. So ultimately it to must be balanced it seems.

originally posted by: Andy1144
a reply to: Itisnowagain

Well can't one know there is no world in experience, and still have thoughts about the world for functioning purposes all the while knowing they are simply thoughts? I think so. Imagination of a world can happen without identification with it.

If there are 'thoughts of the world' then that is what is appearing as experience.

There is nothing wrong with 'thoughts about the world' but where is this imaginary world appearing? All that appears - appears in what is real - within the seeing!!

Is seeing good or bad, right or wrong? Is seeing dualistic?
It is words that appear within the seeing which suppose duality.

originally posted by: Andy1144
a reply to: Peeple

Luck is the general term. It could mean good or bad. So ultimately it to must be balanced it seems.

'Who's' luck is it though?

a reply to: Andy1144

What your thread has presented is not so much about enlightenment, but more or less the view on the cards fate has dealt and some instances on the rewards of good and bad Karma. Although attaining enlightenment is said to be the result of dealing with ones karma of a supposed ed past life, to the present where its supposed to clear ones mind, like it were an Angel earning its wings.

Enlightenment is said not to be attained until one faces their karma, the thing is that bugs me, is the view of good karma, like it were being blessed by the Gods in that sense. It would be like a set of circumstances or conditions are set for one to attempt or be naturally coerced to attain enlightenment, like Buddha being born into a life of wealth and establishment, but yet throwing away such blessings that many unfortunate folks would have desired, ether for religion and meaning, to spite his boredom, or just even curiosity.

Enlightenment is methodological in practice, not the view of suffering in life, to being rewarded in death.

a reply to: Itisnowagain

It is appearing as thought in awareness.

originally posted by: Andy1144
a reply to: Itisnowagain

It is appearing as thought in awareness.

So awareness is the one that the many appear in. Awareness is aware of what is arising - if thought is telling stories about what is not really here then true life is missed.
What is awareness full of? If it is full of tomorrow and yesterday and somewhere else - it is full of what is NOT so feels lacking.
If awareness is full of what IS then it is not missing life.

Something missing: People feel that something is missing, because something is missing; true life is missing.

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a reply to: Itisnowagain

So "who" is full what what is not?

originally posted by: Andy1144
a reply to: Itisnowagain

So "who" is full what what is not?

Sorry, I don't understand the question.

a reply to: Itisnowagain

Let me make another point. Planning. Does planning happen in your awareness? If yes then why? Isn't it just a story? What's the point?

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: Andy1144
a reply to: Peeple

Luck is the general term. It could mean good or bad. So ultimately it to must be balanced it seems.

'Who's' luck is it though?

No one's, but that doesn't mean awareness won't experience certain things in the future. It's just that it isn't happening now.
Planning to avoid certain situations is good. But the planning is just happening.

Planning what experiences one might have is a good useful. It's just not true that it is happening.You can have these thoughts without identifying with them.

originally posted by: Andy1144 Does planning happen in your awareness? If yes then why? Isn't it just a story?

Planning to go somewhere happens but there is never a planning of how to be or what to say or how to act. Life show up as it does.
Imagining other times and places tends to produce a separate self in a pretend world. A separate self that will have it's fair share of good and bad.
But right here and right now there is just what is happening - this is too boring for the mind - it wants to have good and avoid bad

'Planning to go somewhere happens but there is never a planning of how to be or what to say or how to act. Life show up as it does.
Imagining other times and places tends to produce a separate self in a pretend world."

This only happens if there is identification. If there is no identification, thoughts about planning are healthy and useful, so there can't be any separate self planning.

Planning can either happen in two ways. Either there is illusion of a planner, thus bringing redundant, unnecessary thinking.
Or there is a knowing there is no self. And the planning is seen clearly to just happen.

a reply to: Andy1144
There is no separate self - ever.
There is planning, there is thinking, there are clouds, there is sensation, there are stories - but there is no one doing any of it - there is no one - there is only ever what is happening.

Oneness is appearing as whatever there is.

a reply to: Itisnowagain

I agree, but your message deals strictly that life is just happening. If a student asked you about the big bang, you wouldn't say, "there is no universe" would you? You would explain to him how the big bang works using dual language.

originally posted by: Andy1144
a reply to: Itisnowagain

I agree, but your message deals strictly that life is just happening. If a student asked you about the big bang, you wouldn't say, "there is no universe" would you? You would explain to him how the big bang works using dual language.

So how does the 'big bang' work?
Have you seen this 'big bang'? Where are you going to get truth about this 'big bang'? Are you going to repeat what has been handed down as fact, even though there is no real fact about this thing labelled 'big bang' that no one actually witnessed?

I would actually say that the world/universe comes into being when you assume yourself separate from life. There is only the one - life.
Listen to this video and see what thoughts appear.

So why couldn't the experience of oneness stay. Why incarnate in a human form and experience separateness?

There's no such thing as karma.

Karma is something that was invented by the elites/nobility/royalty in India to placate the lower castes. It kept the poor and destitute from revolting, rioting and stealing from the rich. It kept those people happy being poor.

It taught the poor that they were born into poverty and suffering for a reason, and the only way to escape it was to live better than they had before. It was their fault they were poor and suffering, not the rich elites that kept them poor.

No, there isn't karma. Karma today is something we tell ourselves to excuse other's bad behavior. It makes us feel better to believe that bad will happen eventually to bad people.

No, reality is like a shopping spree. You can either smash and grab as much as you can out of life, or sit and let someone else smash and grab it all away from you.

a reply to: MystikMushroom

The idea of Karma a funny thing though, even if the original intention or conception was out of slavery, or that it might have been very much like the view Heathen Gods, blessing endowments, wealth, or even defying Death for that matter. No different then the idea of Jesus and Martyrdom being made by the Romans, though, how the idea of Karma being used these days is quite the turn around though.

Now it inspires and gives strength to the less fortunate, rather then condemn them for being born, however, it does make them idle around waiting for something.

originally posted by: Andy1144
So why couldn't the experience of oneness stay. Why incarnate in a human form and experience separateness?

It is just what happens.
It is only an illusion that there is separateness.
Life is just doing it's thing.