King Louis XIV of France asked for proof: "Why, the Jews, your Majesty ― the Jews."

Yes, it is against the odds that a nation destroyed in 70 AD and scattered throughout the nations would be gathered again to become a nation. Even centuries before this event, people noticed.

Even their dead language was restored.

Ezekiel 36:24
I'm going to remove you from the nations, gather you from all of the territories, and bring you all back to your own land.



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The very survival of the Jewish people through recorded time is nothing short of miraculous. The very fact that Jews exist as a nation today stands in testimony to the existence of God who acts in history. By any historical measure, the Jewish people should have disappeared long ago.

The person who summed this up best was David Ben Gurion, the first Prime Minister of the State of Israel. He said: "A Jew who does not believe in miracles is not a realist."

Why did he say that? Because miracles are the only possible explanation for the existence of the Jewish people.

Over 300 years ago King Louis XIV of France asked Blaise Pascal, the great French philosopher, to give him proof of the supernatural. Pascal answered: "Why, the Jews, your Majesty ― the Jews."

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a reply to: infolurker

They're all a collection of individual human beings that believe in the same thing. I don't understand what the persistence of the religion has to do with it being a miracle or miraculous.

From a stance of duration Hinduism I believe predates it.

a reply to: infolurker

Hinduism and Zoroastrianism predate the Jews and they still exist also.

The pyramids and the Rosetta Stone revived the lost Religion of the Egyptian.

There are many miracles of culture that have spanned the ages.

To say God only protected the Jews and their religion is overlooking the rest of history.

a reply to: AnteBellum

as does Zoroastrianism - it was organized before the Torah was assembled and/or written some time about 500BC thus starting what we know as Judaism these days.

Buddhism started roughly the same time - and there are a lot more of them than there are jews...clearly their (god) is more powerful - we should follow him/her/it rather than the weak jewish one!!

a reply to: infolurker

It is also interesting that the good in society is fleeting, it does not last any appreciable amount of time. However, the evils tend to last quite literally forever and apparently increase in strength over time. This is just an observation of human nature. Maybe it's an apathy thing, or maybe a politically correct thing, it certainly seems to be an orchestrated thing. BTW, I am not saying this about any particular group as all breeds of human have their share of people in power with questionable ethics and morals.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

Cheers - Dave

"If I could save all the children of Germany and send them to England, or half the children and send them to Israel, I'd choose the latter"...

"Jewish terrorism against Arabs is just a short step from Jewish terrorism against Jews"...



The same atheist also said these snippets.


BTW, he said "anybody" who doesn't believe in miracles isn't a realist, not just Jews.


& yes, he was an atheist.



So his belief in a chosen land for the chosen people came from nowhere but his own deep seated supremacist ideology.


Screw Ben Gurion.

originally posted by: Aloysius the Gaul
a reply to: AnteBellum

as does Zoroastrianism - it was organized before the Torah was assembled and/or written some time about 500BC thus starting what we know as Judaism these days.

Buddhism started roughly the same time - and there are a lot more of them than there are jews...clearly their (god) is more powerful - we should follow him/her/it rather than the weak jewish one!!

I had no idea that their nations were crushed and their people were scattered throughout nations, hunted, killed, hated and face extermination for centuries and manage to survive and restore their ancient tongue.

the majority of the World is run by Jews.


Christianity itself was forged by decendants of Jews. Who were hatching a sucessful plot to convert the greek and roman gentiles away from their polythestic beliefs and to adopt monotheism. Which started with Ceasar claiming to be God after having Alexandria burned down and shortly thereafter was assassinated.

But this all goes back to Egypt when the first tradesmen arrived and among the most influenctial of the outsider nations moving into Egypt prior to full greek and roman settlement was when such outsider families married into the Egyptian royality from middleclass families and then forbid outside of family relations marriage because they wanted to squander the wealth and power for themselves. The same family remained in power despite multipul civil uprisings from the burden of taxs such families engaged. They brought plenty of their customs along with them practicing in secret. The order of Judasim was being forged. Hundreds of years later, This linage would find itself in rome under the rule of these Hebrews by non other than a decendant of solomon and Amoses himself known as Ceasar. Who then procreated with his cousin Cleopatra. Who then had a child name Cesarian all of you may be familar as Jesus, as Ceasar was killed and his sons were hunted by the Egyptian and roman nobelity.

This lead to Ceasarian travelling to India where he met monks high in the andes mountain that taught him budism of budah who died 500 years prior to Ceasarians visit. He later returned to the region of the desert in Jerusalem where he brought skills of healing, knowledge medicines through meditation and apocathy with plants. He later reunited with his lost siblings in the region where upon the knowledge of his existance was contrary to the reports of Cesarians Death which never happened. Thus many people believe the child of ceasar and cleopatra had died and was ressurected because he was the son of God, God being Ceasar.
300 years after all this transpired, The old hebrews were still attempting to find a way to convert away from polytheism as Ceasar had laid the foundation for a religion ruled by one diety. Not many Gentiles were fond of Judaism and its history of war and bloodshed. Nore were they fond of all the oaths and rituals one had to endure to be considered a * Jew*. So Constintine took the story of ceasarian and transformed it into the story of Jesus well adapting monothesitic beliefs with stories from former polytheistic nations particularly in the region of Egypt.
Many of the prophets in the bible were Hebrew pharohs. And so the old testament is incorperated with the new testament because it is the history of their people, a people who infultrated the Egyptian higharchy and then seized its power from the people and never quite let go of it.

This story continues on as decendants from the tribe of Dan, Who were among the hebrews who were Exiled in former Cannan where israel and palastine is today moved northward through brutal campaigns of war controlled an area west Albion.

Albion is the former name of Great Britian before it was invaded by such forces and the region assimilated. This warmongering tribe arrived from the land of Denmark or otherwise known as Danmark meaning the Mark of Dan. They were known as the Vikings which get their name from william the conqueror the 5th king. hense the VI (5) in VIkings or the 5 kings invaded and conquered Albion and assimilated the whole region which was formerly ruled and inhabited by Druids.

This tribe of Dan still controls the region to this day as the current Queen Elizabeth is a direct decendant of william the conqueror, and many in her family suffer from genetic defects because of incest particularly in the hand which cripples the pinky and ring finger into a claw like position where it cannot be extended. This is commonly known as Viking hand syndrom and can be found on google.

All they want is to be the rulers of the entire planet and to hold their status of wealth and power on earth forever and to carry this clutch into the stars. Where if successful, will become the sole heirs to many worldly colonies in the near future such as the colonies that will be established on mars. They want to dominate religion, the economy with resource management, our politics, our laws and they will never surrender.

The common * Jew* if the non ethnic jews want to call themselves that have no part in this plan for world domination. In fact they have tried throughout history to cleanse the non ethnic hebrews off the face of the Earth, many many times.

This is a legitimate conspiracy theory of the highest magnetiude but with signifigant evidence that much of it is true.


IF there was ever an Illuminati. This would be it.




Enjoy this documentry to elaborate further.

Everything you need to know:

So let me get this straight, God wants everyone to believe in Jesus' sacrifice yet he still keeps Jews around who do not believe in Jesus' sacrifice? Is he condemning those Jews he purposely kept around to hell?

a reply to: AnuTyr

actually, jesus wasn't the son of caesar. he was artificially inseminated into cleo. this is a very old (like really old) god man tradition. the majority of such inseminations were divine but not from the big kahuna . i'll let you figure that one out.

a reply to: infolurker

Yes, it is against the odds that a nation destroyed in 70 AD and scattered throughout the nations would be gathered again to become a nation. Even centuries before this event, people noticed.

Yes people noticed that the people occupying Israel are not from the 13 tribes but rather they are from eastern European decent.

Even their dead language was restored.

When did the Hebrew language die?

Ezekiel 36:24
I'm going to remove you from the nations, gather you from all of the territories, and bring you all back to your own land.

So the UN is God now? According to text the Messiah is supposed to lead the Jews back to Israel and he hasn't shown up yet so why are these people defying the will of God?

a reply to: infolurker

The way it's presented makes it seem like they were the only people to ever suffer injustices, prejudices, oppression, etc. Atrocities have been committed by all, to all on this planet throughout history.
Just because one group faced it more severely then others doesn't make their plight more significant or everyone else's less. That's paving the way torward some very dangerous territory.

We're all humans, trying to singularly catagorize a groups tormented history into being divine protection could easily be seen just as easily as divine justice.

Perspective, that's all it is. One could next say cockroaches have had the same divine intervention due to their mutual tormented history and resilience to it. Women have had it harder then men, blacks to whites, haves to have nots, etc. where does it end. . .

I can't agree other then they have had many tribulations, more so then some others as a religion and even then it's not from an individual's account. It's this very type of self segregation that's usually causes things to end badly by those that disagree.

originally posted by: infolurker

originally posted by: Aloysius the Gaul
a reply to: AnteBellum

as does Zoroastrianism - it was organized before the Torah was assembled and/or written some time about 500BC thus starting what we know as Judaism these days.

Buddhism started roughly the same time - and there are a lot more of them than there are jews...clearly their (god) is more powerful - we should follow him/her/it rather than the weak jewish one!!

I had no idea that their nations were crushed and their people were scattered throughout nations, hunted, killed, hated and face extermination for centuries and manage to survive and restore their ancient tongue.

Then you should study more history of those religions and improve your knowledge.

a reply to: infolurker

Schools of thought persist, and evolve, like Judaism has. But you can't possibly think that the Jews that occupy Israel today are the actual ancestors of people who may have walked out of Egypt with Moses, can you?

a reply to: infolurker
Incidentally, there seems to be some confusion about the characters involved in this exchange.
I first read the story in the days when people got their information from fairly reliable books, and in those days it was told about Frederick the Great and one of his clergy. "Prove Christianity while standing on one leg".
Apparently the internet has decided to transfer the story to better-known people; either Louis XIV and Pascal, as here, or the Kaiser and Bismarck.

Judaism is not the OT religion that many believe.

Nor is the Bible a Jewish book...

originally posted by: sweftl337
The word “Jew” never existed in Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic and Jesus spoke mostly Greek and Aramaic. First of all, if we go back some 2000 years, there were no Jews. There was a land known as “Judea” and in that land lived many different peoples. The people of Moses were the Hebrew Israelites – there was no Jew.

originally posted by: Nichiren
Jesus was a 'Judean', not a Jew. During His lifetime, no persons were described as "Jews" anywhere. That fact is supported by theology, history and science. When Jesus was in Judea, it was not the "homeland" of the ancestors of those who today style themselves "Jews". Their ancestors never set a foot in Judea. They existed at that time in Asia, their "homeland", and were known as Khazars. In none of the manuscripts of the original Old or New Testament was Jesus described or referred to as a "Jew". The term originated in the late eighteenth century as an abbreviation of the term Judean and refers to a resident of Judea without regard to race or religion, just as the term "Texan" signifies a person living in Texas.

In spite of the powerful propaganda effort of the so-called "Jews", they have been unable to prove in recorded history that there is one record, prior to that period, of a race religion or nationality, referred to as "Jew". The religious sect in Judea, in the time of Jesus, to which self-styled "Jews" today refer to as "Jews", were known as "Pharisees". "Judaism" today and "Pharisaism" in the time of Jesus are the same. Jesus abhorred and denounced "Pharisaism"; hence the words, "Woe unto you Scribes and Pharisees, Hypocrites, Ye Serpents, Ye Generation of Vipers".

More in another post here and here.

If God was so "on side" with the Jews they would not have been dealt such a poor hand historically.

The Jews have survived because they are just another ethnic group. If you look at Europe and across the Middle East there a large number of ethnic groups that have survived the last 2,000 years.

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: infolurker

Schools of thought persist, and evolve, like Judaism has. But you can't possibly think that the Jews that occupy Israel today are the actual ancestors of people who may have walked out of Egypt with Moses, can you?

Haplogroup studies might prove it.

Trust science.