Edgar Mitchell follows up on recent interview

a reply to: AnteBellum

yes it looks like once 'elected president' they downplay the "we are being controlled by outside influences" briefing they tend to focus on less interesting topics like unmaintained infrastructure problems, racial tensions, genocides and illegal immigrations, gun control theory, education , not space traveling extraterrestrials

a reply to: blacktie

True, just like Obama is doing now.

I don't think our presidents focus on anything anymore, except what there going to do after they are in office and how many libraries will have their name on them when they die.

originally posted by: corsair00
a reply to: slapjacks

.... Buzz Aldrin has given conflicting reports about UFOs, almost in a sleight-of-hand manner. ....

A lot of the apparent inconsistency could be related to the agendas of who's doing the interviewing and editing. I recently rounded up all his comments and the operational background data here -- it's still in draft form -- suggestions welcome ===

www.jamesoberg.com...

originally posted by: JimOberg

originally posted by: corsair00
a reply to: slapjacks

.... Buzz Aldrin has given conflicting reports about UFOs, almost in a sleight-of-hand manner. ....

A lot of the apparent inconsistency could be related to the agendas of who's doing the interviewing and editing. I recently rounded up all his comments and the operational background data here -- it's still in draft form -- suggestions welcome ===

www.jamesoberg.com...

It's always about a link to your website isn't it ...

originally posted by: AnteBellum
a reply to: smurfy

I find the fact that every president looking for answers seem to go quiet also, after being briefed. Did anyone ever think that maybe our governments know they are here but just have no control over them or understanding of what they're doing?
Worse, maybe they do know what's going on and feel it's for the better good of judgement to just let it play out the way it does.

For instance what if etb's are doing all these horrible things we hear, from abductions to mutilations and there is no way to stop them. What good is disclosure if the government can't do a thing about it.
What if our government is not hiding the technology from US but trying to desperately hide it from THEM taking it back. That way we can look at it long enough to try and get an edge on things.

Kind of paints a very different picture.

Yes,
I know a woman who has been abducted and mistreated by these creatures since childhood and she hurt one of them for what they do to her. She has internal scaring for 6 miscarriages and doctors are mystified, horrified, and even a bit scared over a mystery they cant explain conventionally, which leaves them with a unique kind of personal trauma, because of miscarriages that go up to a 5 month term and then vanish is if she was never pregnant, and a lot of freaked out friends and family when it happens the same every time like some Rod Serling night time show people like to watch, but wouldn't want to be a part of if it was real, but yet it is real and happens to her.

I think they use people like cattle as surrogates to carry their genetic monstrosities to that 5 month period and then come and get it and leave without so much as a wham ba... OK I'm not going to say that. poor humor

But this program of theirs is extremely important to them and everything on their ships is designed and setup just for this abduction program, from what I have heard more than once. They don't want people to know it is real to the point of public saturation, because then we might be seeing violent public reprisals against a government that really wouldn't know or understand it either, except for the hidden black project type of groups way WAY above top secret, so people would never get the real enablers of these creatures and their programs. Plus if these visitors revealed themselves on the same level as us and wanted everything equal and not one-sided in their favor as it is now, then some feel that this would lead to the collapse of our government and our way of life, and I bet it would.

But some human agency is culpable and responsible for allowing it without the proper planning of protecting citizens and will have to face it some day, and for the most part, some element of military , some secret branches that operate totally off the radar without any oversight or funding problems, keep doing what they do, and sometimes they are accidentally exposed when other creatures get loose and show up in strange places.

Remember the story in Brazil (I think it was), where a young policeman tried to catch an unknown humanoid and definitely unearthly in appearance, touched his arm, and then 1 or 2 weeks later died from massive infections as if his entire immune system was neutralized by that creatures touch.

The military in Brazil caught that one, and another one, and then ran a story they had captured some dwarves, but they forgot to mention the obvious and that is, the military is not in the business of catching dwarves or short people and that wouldn't be something anyone would even begin to believe anyways. No one except the military there bought the explanation.

And the people we pay to protect us are the most dangerous animals in the zoo we have here on planet earth. If we didn't feed these animals, they would die off, (maybe).

They sold us out for the technology and they are always weaponizing anything that can be weaponized for profit, power, and control of that to the point of nobody but a select few can benefit from the technology they have except for them, whoever they are. Probably secret sections of the large aerospace corporations and their financing principles.

As far as any element of non human visitors secretly planning things that are not good for the human race, I have heard that is also true, but since no one has the power to do anything, it is best to just stay away from it to continue living, and living without incident, in a world where loose lips will destroy your bank account, and everything else we need to feign the enjoyment of life, including the necessity of actually being and staying alive to enjoy it. 4 million people or some figure like that go missing every year? Heard something like that.. That is scary stuff all by itself. There has to be a connection.

originally posted by: AnteBellum
a reply to: JimOberg

There are people out there doing highly sensitive projects for the US. The way the media hounds, fans obsess and crazies kill I wouldn't say anything either just out of sheer protection for those with this info.
Every time someone comes forward with info like this its pure rape of that persons life, freedom, mistakes, friends, judgements, etc. by everyone, who would want that?

He said what he was told, this is now one of thousands of ufo accounts and counting. I think many of your minds have allready been made up before ever seeing this thread.
It's either you believe they can exist or they don't. If you believe they exist your on a quest for proof, if you don't your just wasting time. But I'd like to ask those that believe in existence already, how is proof going to change your perspective if you already believe?

Also consider he is old and whatever happens to him, he doesnt care. What is the gov going to do? Take away his pension? That would only solidify his claims.

originally posted by: Kratos40

originally posted by: AnteBellum
a reply to: JimOberg

There are people out there doing highly sensitive projects for the US. The way the media hounds, fans obsess and crazies kill I wouldn't say anything either just out of sheer protection for those with this info.
Every time someone comes forward with info like this its pure rape of that persons life, freedom, mistakes, friends, judgements, etc. by everyone, who would want that?

He said what he was told, this is now one of thousands of ufo accounts and counting. I think many of your minds have allready been made up before ever seeing this thread.
It's either you believe they can exist or they don't. If you believe they exist your on a quest for proof, if you don't your just wasting time. But I'd like to ask those that believe in existence already, how is proof going to change your perspective if you already believe?

Also consider he is old and whatever happens to him, he doesnt care. What is the gov going to do? Take away his pension? That would only solidify his claims.

Harass his living relatives or worse? Frame him with kiddie porn, permanently sullying him name for history? Three generations of punishment? There's plenty of leverage.

'I happen to have been privileged enough to be in on the fact that we've been visited on this planet and the UFO phenomena is real,' Dr Mitchell said. It's been covered up by all governments for 60 years".

That does it for me, when a space traveler says those words.

originally posted by: skyblueworld

'I happen to have been privileged enough to be in on the fact that we've been visited on this planet and the UFO phenomena is real,' Dr Mitchell said. It's been covered up by all governments for 60 years".

That does it for me, when a space traveler says those words.

So you believe Jim Irwin's claims about Noah's Ark too?

a reply to: slapjacks

I find it interesting what Ed Mitchell of Apollo 14 says about the Roswell cover-up, which I know is a fact. For an example, after an extensive investigation, I found that Charles Moore reported that he tracked a flying saucer overhead, which was featured in the April 7, 1952 edition of LIFE magazine.

LIFE Magazine - April 7, 1952

HAVE WE VISITORS FROM SPACE?


INCIDENT 3

On April 24, 1949 at 10:20 a.m., a group of five technicians under the general supervision of J. Gordon Vaeth, an aeronautical engineer employed by the Office of Naval Research, were preparing to launch a Skyhook balloon near Arrey, N. Mex. A small balloon was sent up first to check the weather. Charles B. Moore Jr., an aerologist of General Mills Inc. (pioneers in cosmic ray research) was tracking the weather balloon through a theodolite – a 25-power telescopic instrument, which gives degrees of azimuth and elevation (horizontal and vertical position) for any object it is sighted on.

At 10:30 a.m. Moore leaned back from the theodolite to glance at the balloon with his naked eye. Suddenly he saw a whitish elliptical object, apparently much higher than the balloon, and moving, in the opposite direction. At once he picked the object up in his theodolite at 45 degrees of elevation and 210 degrees of azimuth, and tracked it east at the phenomenal rate of 5 degrees of azimuth-change per second as it dropped swiftly to an elevation of 25 degrees.

The object appeared to be an ellipsoid roughly two and a half times as long as it was wide. Suddenly it swung abruptly upward and rushed out of sight in a few seconds. Moore had tracked it for about 60 seconds altogether. The other members of his crew confirmed his report. No sound was heard, no vapor trail was seen. The object, according to rough estimations by Moore and his colleagues, was about 56 miles above the earth, 100 feet long and was traveling at seven miles per second.

His account was confirmed by Admiral Robert B. McLaughlin, USN.

HOW SCIENTISTS TRACKED A FLYING SAUCER
by
Commander Robert B. McLaughlin, USN

In its January issue TRUE said that the flying saucers are real and interplanetary. Its story was widely supported by the nation's press and radio. TRUE's findings are here confirmed by Commander McLaughlin, a rocket expert at White Sands Proving Ground

www.nicap.org...

And, in this letter.

Letter to Physicist J. A. Van Allen from Robert McLaughlin [May 12th 1949] Page 1

Letter to Physicist J. A. Van Allen from Robert McLaughlin [May 12th 1949] Page 2

You will notice that Charles Moore is named as Head of Project Mogul. In addition, the Air Force claimed that Project Mogul balloon flight #4 was launched on June 4, 1947 and that it was that particular flight that was responsible for the Roswell incident, but during the course of my research after examining Project Mogul balloon records, I found that no such flight was launched on that date, and in fact, was cancelled due to clouds. Only a service balloon was launched and it didn't carry a rawin device of metal foil and balsa wood, only a single sonobuoy as its payload was carried aloft.

I also found that Project Mogul balloons were not classified at all and were sometimes recovered by civilians for rewards after responding to a questionnaire. In one case, a Mogul balloon was left lying next to a roadway where it was vandalized.

There is not one case where Project Mogul balloons, which were recovered by civilians, were ever explained away as a captured flying saucer by the military. In many cases, rawin devices were recovered intact. As it was, Thomas Dubose, confirmed that the debris that he, and Marcel posed with in Ramey's office, was not what was recovered on the Foster ranch and in fact, the rawin device wreckage was actually pulled out of storage and deliberately destroyed and placed in Ramey's office, and in Dubose's words: "To get the press off of their backs."

I would like to add that my flying buddy was on the flight crew that flew the Apollo 14 crew back to Texas from Pago Pago after their moon flight and I have the newspaper clipping that depicts him boarding his aircraft on the mission to pick up the Apollo 14 astronauts.

a reply to: olaru12

In regard to Roswell, I am with Ed Mitchell in his view. As far as the reality of UFOs, the answer is yes, they do exist and have been reported for centuries, even over Japan in 1133 A.D.

I know they exist because I saw one in 1968 over Vietnam, and after my assignment there, I was sent to Hill AFB, UT., which was involved in investigations into UFOs that were affecting our Minuteman missiles. The reason why my base was involved is because it was the depot for the Minuteman missile. It was determined that the source of the EMP that affected the missiles came from outside the missile system, and at that time, a flying saucer was seen hovering overhead. Now, we have more and more Air Force officers and enlisted personnel coming out into the open and admitting that the UFOs in question are those of ET, which the Air Force concluded in 1947 and reconfirmed by the Air Force in 1952.

I also find it interesting that an Air Force officer, Colonel Lewis D. Chase, wrote a report on one of the UFO incidents that affected the Minuteman missiles of Malmstrom AFB, and I might add that Col. Chase was the same Air Force officer who encountered a UFO that trailed his RB-47 for well over an hour as he flew over multiple States. The UFO was also tracked on ground-based radar and the aircraft's ELINT system confirmed the object as well.

For 47 years, the Air Force held onto its weather balloon cover story and in 1994, it substituted its weather balloon cover story for a Project Mogul balloon flight #4 that never was according the Project Mogul balloon records of A. P. Crary.

As far as the test dummy operations and accident victims to explain the alien bodies of 1947, the test dummy operations were carried out during the 1950's and the accident victims were from incidents in 1956 and 1959, and of course, the Roswell incident was in 1947, not to mention that the accident incidents and test dummy operations were nowhere near the Foster ranch nor near Roswell crash site #2 nor even in the same decade as the Roswell incident.

That brings up this one very important question:

What was recovered on the Foster ranch and at crash site #2 that compels the Air Force to continue its Roswell cover-up to this very day?

Just a few clues that prove the Air Force continues to cover-up the Roswell incident to this very day.

originally posted by: JimOberg

originally posted by: skyblueworld

'I happen to have been privileged enough to be in on the fact that we've been visited on this planet and the UFO phenomena is real,' Dr Mitchell said. It's been covered up by all governments for 60 years".

That does it for me, when a space traveler says those words.

So you believe Jim Irwin's claims about Noah's Ark too?

Why would I?

I believe Edgar Mitchell over you and many others too, that's just the way it is, sorry you feel the need to be a bit of an arse and presume such things.

originally posted by: JimOberg
So you believe Jim Irwin's claims about Noah's Ark too?

originally posted by: skyblueworld

originally posted by: JimOberg

originally posted by: skyblueworld

'I happen to have been privileged enough to be in on the fact that we've been visited on this planet and the UFO phenomena is real,' Dr Mitchell said. It's been covered up by all governments for 60 years".

That does it for me, when a space traveler says those words.

So you believe Jim Irwin's claims about Noah's Ark too?

Why would I?

I believe Edgar Mitchell over you and many others too, that's just the way it is, sorry you feel the need to be a bit of an arse and presume such things.

You do realize Jim Irwin walked on the moon, too? Sorry, I had assumed you did.

a reply to: slapjacks

The OP said: "Being that these words are from Edgar Mitchell, one would think that this may be one of the most credible sources.

Anyway, What do you think? Do you believe his claims, or thinks it's just a wash up to excite the imagination."

Edgar Mitchell was respected as an astronaut. But I don't respect him post-astronaut. In my opinion based on most of his public comments, he is outright stupid. He is easy to convince that all of the UFO/alien b.s. is real. He expresses opinions based on what he is told by people who know just as much as he does which is nil. He has never said publicly that he has any knowledge of ETs yet he has tried to convince the public of their questionable reality.

I would never accept anything he says as having any basis in fact. But if Stanton Friedman can do it, Mitchell might as well also. Both operating from nothing.

originally posted by: olaru12
Damn, who to believe? An astronaut that has been to the moon and associates with others that might be in the know or skeptics on a conspiracy web site that as far as I know have no credibility.

The key word in your comments is "believe". A definition of "belief": "confidence in the truth or existence of something not immediately susceptible to rigorous proof." Just because Mitchell went to the moon, it is accepted, does not mean that one has to accept his ramblings as having any truth to it. The best method is to know or not know.

ATS is not a 100% conspiracy site, a lot of knowledge has been imparted here but probably the majority of members do not know the truth and accept what anyone posts as truth. You have to separate the wheat from the chaff.

originally posted by: corsair00
a reply to: slapjacks

Neil Armstrong never went public about anything regarding UFOs, he seemed to be silenced or just stayed away from the spotlight. Buzz Aldrin has given conflicting reports about UFOs, almost in a sleight-of-hand manner. Edgar Mitchell seems to tout the party line on this issue and has done so for many years. I think he is permitted to talk about certain subjects to a certain extent. He was actually a Disclosure Project 'whistleblower' as well:

First, let's agree that you don't know what you're talking about. Like most ATS members you mouth off conspiracy feeling with the words you use.

1. What evidence are you prepared to offer when you say that Neil Armstrong "seemed to be silenced"?
2. How does Buzz Aldrin's reports about UFOs were given in "almost in a sleight-of-hand manner." How did you come to that conclusion?
3. What is the "party line" that Edgar Mitchell has touted?
4. Who permits Edgar Mitchell to "talk about certain subjects to a certain extent." And who selects the "certain subjects" he is permitted to talk about and what are those subjects?

Did you hear Mitchell on that "Disclosure" (hah!) video?

When he repeats what everyone familiar with ufology knows and that is that pilots, military and civilian, have had sightings of unknown flying craft and some military pilots may have been "vectored" to give chase (hah!) he is not contributing anything to the misnomer "Disclosure".

When he says:
"...people who have official positions whose job was to know about possible extraterrestrial visitation and to do something with it. People within government. And, um, those are the more credible sources because they've had hands-on, first-hand experience ... that they are et craft..."

He doesn't know what he's talking about because he is not talking from first-hand experience, he is doing what he is known for and that's repeating all of the b.s. that he's fed.

Neither he nor any one has any evidence that anything associated with ufology has any connection to extraterrestrialism.

He was and maybe still is a respected ex-astronaut. But aside of from what he knew as an astronaut, he has no credibility and he's highly religious which is not a preferred recommendation. Frankly, I wish he would shut up.

a reply to: slapjacks

Anyway, What do you think?

Looking on my 40+-year experience with the Air Force and defense contractors, if secrets crash at a particular location, the name of the game is to deflect attention away from that classified crash site.

How can anyone keep a secret crash site a secret by reporting to the whole world that the crash site involved a flying saucer? As it was, the military was so excited that they could not help themselves and it had nothing to do with a secret military project.

I should also add that at roughly about the same time of the Roswell incident, the Air Force was reporting flying saucers over Muroc AFB (Edwards AFB) and Rogers Dry Lake.

MUROC AFB INCIDENT, CALIFORNIA
July 8, 1947

Series of sightings over MUROC AFB and Rogers Dry Lake, secret test base, California:

Morning: Two spherical or disc-like UFOs joined by a third object. (XII)
Crew of technicians saw white-aluminum UFO with distinct oval outline descending, moving against wind, (II).

Afternoon: Thin "metallic" UFO climbed, dove, oscillated over field, also seen by test pilot in vicinity.
(XII) F-51 pilot watched a flat object "of light-reflecting nature" pass above his plane. No known aircraft were in the area. (XII)

Section II: Technicians at Secret Test Base Observe Mechanical UFO

At Muroc AFB (now Edwards AFB) and adjacent Rogers Dry Lake, scientists and engineers test and develop the latest aircraft, including secret projects. Althoroughly familiar with anything that flies, the base technical personnel had no explanation for the UFOs which maneuvered over the area July 8, 1947.

Twice that morning, disc-shaped objects were observed cavorting overhead. Then about 11:50 AM, a crew of technicians at Rogers saw a round white, apparently metallic object descending, moving west nortwest against the wind. They observed thick projections on top which crossed each other at intervals, suggesting either rotation or oscillation. In their official report they stated:

www.nuforc.org...

In other words, within the first 8 days of July 1947, the Air Force reported the recovery of a flying saucer in New Mexico and shortly after that, the Air Force reported flying saucers over Muroc AFB and Rogers Dry Lake, in California.

Something was going on in the Southwest during the first week of July.

originally posted by: Iamnotadoctor

originally posted by: JimOberg

originally posted by: corsair00
a reply to: slapjacks

.... Buzz Aldrin has given conflicting reports about UFOs, almost in a sleight-of-hand manner. ....

A lot of the apparent inconsistency could be related to the agendas of who's doing the interviewing and editing. I recently rounded up all his comments and the operational background data here -- it's still in draft form -- suggestions welcome ===

www.jamesoberg.com...

It's always about a link to your website isn't it ...

And why not? Mr Oberg does what you probably wouldn't consider doing except to put in your 2 worthless cents. If he takes the time to collate valuable information (Basically, Collating creates consistent, logical sets from multiple parts.) and then makes that information available to the world, what better place to put it than his own legendary website?

originally posted by: skyblueworld

originally posted by: JimOberg

originally posted by: skyblueworld

'I happen to have been privileged enough to be in on the fact that we've been visited on this planet and the UFO phenomena is real,' Dr Mitchell said. It's been covered up by all governments for 60 years".

That does it for me, when a space traveler says those words.

So you believe Jim Irwin's claims about Noah's Ark too?

Why would I?

I believe Edgar Mitchell over you and many others too, that's just the way it is, sorry you feel the need to be a bit of an arse and presume such things.

I'm not coming to Mr Oberg's "rescue" but it seems to me based on your comments that Mr Oberg could never be as big an "arse" as you for you are as gullible as Edgar Mitchell has proven himself to be. It is NOT the way it is, it's the way YOU want it to be. You're easy to fool into accepting bs from authoritative figures when it would behoove you to take Mr Oberg more seriously than you take Mitchell.

You are one of ufology's ufools.

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed

originally posted by: AnteBellum
a reply to: smurfy

I find the fact that every president looking for answers seem to go quiet also, after being briefed. Did anyone ever think that maybe our governments know they are here but just have no control over them or understanding of what they're doing?
Worse, maybe they do know what's going on and feel it's for the better good of judgement to just let it play out the way it does.

For instance what if etb's are doing all these horrible things we hear, from abductions to mutilations and there is no way to stop them. What good is disclosure if the government can't do a thing about it.
What if our government is not hiding the technology from US but trying to desperately hide it from THEM taking it back. That way we can look at it long enough to try and get an edge on things.

Kind of paints a very different picture.

Yes,
I know a woman who has been abducted and mistreated by these creatures since childhood and she hurt one of them for what they do to her. She has internal scaring for 6 miscarriages and doctors are mystified, horrified, and even a bit scared over a mystery they cant explain conventionally, which leaves them with a unique kind of personal trauma, because of miscarriages that go up to a 5 month term and then vanish is if she was never pregnant, and a lot of freaked out friends and family when it happens the same every time like some Rod Serling night time show people like to watch, but wouldn't want to be a part of if it was real, but yet it is real and happens to her.

I think they use people like cattle as surrogates to carry their genetic monstrosities to that 5 month period and then come and get it and leave without so much as a wham ba... OK I'm not going to say that. poor humor

But this program of theirs is extremely important to them and everything on their ships is designed and setup just for this abduction program, from what I have heard more than once. They don't want people to know it is real to the point of public saturation, because then we might be seeing violent public reprisals against a government that really wouldn't know or understand it either, except for the hidden black project type of groups way WAY above top secret, so people would never get the real enablers of these creatures and their programs. Plus if these visitors revealed themselves on the same level as us and wanted everything equal and not one-sided in their favor as it is now, then some feel that this would lead to the collapse of our government and our way of life, and I bet it would.

But some human agency is culpable and responsible for allowing it without the proper planning of protecting citizens and will have to face it some day, and for the most part, some element of military , some secret branches that operate totally off the radar without any oversight or funding problems, keep doing what they do, and sometimes they are accidentally exposed when other creatures get loose and show up in strange places.

Remember the story in Brazil (I think it was), where a young policeman tried to catch an unknown humanoid and definitely unearthly in appearance, touched his arm, and then 1 or 2 weeks later died from massive infections as if his entire immune system was neutralized by that creatures touch.

The military in Brazil caught that one, and another one, and then ran a story they had captured some dwarves, but they forgot to mention the obvious and that is, the military is not in the business of catching dwarves or short people and that wouldn't be something anyone would even begin to believe anyways. No one except the military there bought the explanation.

And the people we pay to protect us are the most dangerous animals in the zoo we have here on planet earth. If we didn't feed these animals, they would die off, (maybe).

They sold us out for the technology and they are always weaponizing anything that can be weaponized for profit, power, and control of that to the point of nobody but a select few can benefit from the technology they have except for them, whoever they are. Probably secret sections of the large aerospace corporations and their financing principles.

As far as any element of non human visitors secretly planning things that are not good for the human race, I have heard that is also true, but since no one has the power to do anything, it is best to just stay away from it to continue living, and living without incident, in a world where loose lips will destroy your bank account, and everything else we need to feign the enjoyment of life, including the necessity of actually being and staying alive to enjoy it.

4 million people or some figure like that go missing every year? Heard something like that.. That is scary stuff all by itself. There has to be a connection.

we've all read about alien abductions now and I believe most accounts are true and not trolling threads, if that is happening and we 'can't remember' probably a good reason why for our own sanity living a normal day to day life