Perpetual War and the Six Seals of Revelation

a reply to: infolurker

True love is accepting someone despite their flaws. Jesus' Father loves us despite our flaws, all he requires of us is to love one another and forgive one another. If that happened on a planet-wide scale, Earth would have no war or evil, everyone would treat each other as they would want to be treated and heaven would come back to Earth, the way it was before civilization messed everything up.

And yes, Yahweh is Satan, he is the lower nature of man, Elohim (Jesus' Father) is the higher nature of man. The lower nature of man lusts after resources and profit, and thus conquest and war. What happened a lot in the OT? Conquest and war. Yahweh was the lower nature of man masquerading as God. Jesus and his Father on the other hand represent the higher nature of man, that of love and acceptance.

a reply to: yulka

I'd say I'm pretty normal, lol. Not to say those with Asperger's or ADHD aren't normal. I was diagnosed with ADD (not ADHD) as a child, never took medicine for it though.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

You see, i wasnt that far off. Ill try to explain it simple, most people you talk to live in the world of OZ, they will never be able to see your world, but be careful cause you could become to them cynical, not cause they dont like you is because their world and yours isnt the same. Their world is what we call the 4th dimension, most people with a diagnosed letter combo, live in the 3rd dimension. And there is the conflict, the medicine is for adaptation to the 4th dimension, It usually triggers the dopamine or the serotonin levels in the pineal gland. If you are able to cope with the "4th dimension" without getting bombarded with information, you are very lucky. I cant have a TV, cause it just takes in everything.
So im gonna say, no one is wrong, we just dont live in the same universes. This is heaven for the OZ people, i get stressed in it, in the 3rd i feel so happy. But we all live in society so we have obligations, just dont try to hard to fit in the 4th dimension cause you will never really fit in.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

The seals in Revelation are designed to summarize the history of mankind from the Fall of Adam, all the way to the return of Christ.

Seals 1-4 Known as the Four Horsemen are patrolling angels that regulate war, conquest, famine, and death on earth. They have been active since the fall of Adam and will continue until the Return of Christ. Look no further than Zechariah 6. Its all there. Compare the Masoretic version with the LXX for clarity.

Seal 5 is the Martyrdom of those who follow God's will.

Seal 6 is the Day of the Lord aka the Second Advent of Christ.

Seal 7 is the transition to the 70th week, beginning with a short interlude and the Trumpet Judgements.

People tend to over complicate this stuff, but the Book of Revelation is simply a summary of the Old Testament from the perspective of the Church Age.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

"Revelation was not a prophecy, it was an observation of what was already happening at the time and what had already happened before that time."


Odd.

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants—things which must shortly take place. And He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John, 2 who bore witness to the word of God, and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, to all things that he saw. 3 Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written in it; for the time is near.

a reply to: Awen24

So since it says so that means its true? Circular logic.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

You're cherry picking again. You take what you think sounds good for your ideas and discard the rest. Revelation was not designed for cherry picking. It is a unified summary of the OT and NT...the capstone of the Bible.

a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

How is this any different from what Christians do? They cherry pick which verses best fit their current argument. Circular logic is not sound logic. The Blair Witch Project claimed to be a true story, does that mean it was? No.

Let's see what Jesus says about false prophets shall we?

Luke 21
8 He replied: "Watch out that you are not deceived. For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am he,' and, 'The time is near.' Do not follow them.

He warns us about false prophets claiming to be him and claiming that the time is near. What does the first passage in Revelation say?

Revelation 1
1 The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, 2 who testifies to everything he saw—that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ. 3 Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near.

What do you know, Revelation fits both criteria to a tee. But I guess since it's in the bible which was put together by man, that means it gets a pass? There goes that circular logic again.

Why are you following the false prophet who wrote the supposed prophecy in Revelation? We're not even sure exactly who wrote it. Yet you choose to ignore Jesus' warning. Why?

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
I have always preferred the more traditional identificaton of the first horseman as "Plague".
That way, the four go together. Three causes of death running across the world (Plague, War, and Famine), while Death itself follows along behind and picks up the corpses.
Having "Death" as a separate horseman implies that they all run together, by the time they get going, because otherwise having Death detached from the causes of death would be absurd.
The fifth and sixth seals are essentially just reactions to the first four.
The fifth is the reaction of the previously killed martyrs- "Yippee!".
The sixth is the reaction of the living population of the world- "Aargh!"

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

There is a big difference between connecting dots that should be connected, and cherry picking verses out of context.

Revelation 1:1 "...things that at must soon take place." Greek word: 'tachei' are events that will sequentially unfold in the short period of 7 years.

Revelation 1:2 "...the time is near."
Greek words 'kairos' and 'engys' this means that the Age of the 70th week is near. It is near because the Church Age is an interruption of the Age of Israel. When the Church Age terminates based on the maturity level of the believers, the 70th Week of Israel will continue.

No cherry picking needed to come to this conclusion, just an understanding of prophecy and a correct translation.

a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

Yet Jesus still warns you not to follow prophets who claimed those two things. You're still ignoring his warning either way you look at it.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

I dont remember John ever claiming to be the Messiah. Luke 21:8 was specifically about false Christs. Flimsy argument.

a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

He claimed to speak for Jesus didn't he? The words written down in Revelation are claiming to be Jesus speaking, so yeah John technically was claiming to be Jesus through the words he wrote down.

You're ignoring Jesus' warning. No one knows who wrote Revelation, it could have been any John or just someone claiming to be named John to make some kind of connection to the apostle John. There's no way it could have been the apostle John, compare the writing style and tone of Revelation to that of John's gospel and epistles. Not the same person.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

No, John said he received a revelation from Christ. In other words, he was acting as a prophet.

There is a very huge difference between being a prophet and being the Messiah. We are warned against false versions of both, but we are told that NONE can be Christ except for Christ himself. However, we are told that there can and will be those who can prophecy.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Jesus appointed John as an APOSTLE. His job was to communicate Jesus' words.

The writting styles appear different because Revelation was metered in multiples of 7 per syntactical paragraph. The first paragraph alone is 84 syllables long (12×7). The Gospel of John was not primarily a book of prophecy so most of it was not metered, although portions are.

a reply to: ketsuko

And how are you so sure that Jesus is the one speaking in Revelation? He doesn't sound anything like the Jesus from the gospels, not even a little bit. Are you taking a so-called prophets word for it? One that could very well be a false one? One that claims to speak for Jesus through a revelation that he supposedly got from Jesus and who says the time is near? Jesus warned about those who said such things, especially those who claimed to prophecy.

Revelation 1
8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”

John is the one who wrote this with his own hand, he was claiming to be Jesus through a supposed revelation, speaking for Jesus through his hand strokes.

As I have said, you guys are willfully ignoring Jesus' warning because you are afraid of what the consequences of questioning the bible as the word of God might be. In other words, you are afraid to question anything in the bible because you believe it will lead you to hell.

John claims to be Jesus through his words of claiming to be the Lord, he aslo says the time is near. It can't be much clearer than that. John of Patmos is a false prophet, someone we don't even know who is. We have absolutely no idea exactly who wrote Revelation. How can you know he is a true prophet when he fits Jesus' warning to a tee? Willful ignorance, that's how.

a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

What does this have to do with the legitimacy of John of Patmos? Anyone can write something in meters. The metered rhythm of Revelation has no bearing on the information it presents. The language used, despite what rhythm it is written in, neither matches the language used by Jesus in the gospels nor the writer of John's gospel. It is totally foreign to those two people, even modern scholars outright reject John the Apostle being the writer of Revelation.

Like I said, you are ignoring Jesus' warning and coming up with excuses to keep believing in the false prophet.

Revelation tells us that our path is ruled by cycles (aka astrology). The four horseman represent the four seasons as well as the greater cycles. The first white horse is spring, the forth horse (death and darkness) is winter. They also represent the great ages (24,000 years).

Perhaps hidden in Luke 22:10 is a message more relevant to our present time-frame, The next man to follow will be from the age of Aquarius (water bearer) which may have started in the year 2000.

Luke 22:10...
He replied, "As you enter the city, a man carrying a jar of water will meet you. Follow him to the house that he enters.

a reply to: glend

This may be a stretch but 9/11 happened in 2001, around the time that the Age of Aquarius may have started. The Age of Pisces is the age we were in before Aquarius, it was symbolized by twin fish. Twin towers (fish) being destroyed to usher in Aquarius? Just a thought. Those in power planned the attacks in my opinion, they knew what it symbolized.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

The meter is a common thread unifying the Old and New Testaments, and it is especially prevalent in the epistles of John.

Show us some example of how the writing styles differ so much. Both the Gospel of John and Revelation were written in Coine Greek, while Revelation uses a few Attic phrases to convey ideas that do not exist in coine grammar.