Creepy Consumer electronic device released which alters thought patterns with electric shock

originally posted by: AnteBellum

This by the way is not exactly the same as 'conditioning' which most confuse it for.

Whether or not it is (for the time being) there is not a doubt in my mind things will go in that direction. It's hard to think of a major technological advance that's been made in the last couple of centuries that hasn't been abused and used to condition and manipulate the public. The technological advances that have hit the market in the last decade or so have basically pulled out all the stops.

originally posted by: joeraynor
a reply to: intrptr

www.nydailynews.com...

According to this article, it costs 300 dollars, and some part of it wears out regularly, and needs to be replaced for 20 dollars a pack.

The batteries, probably. Instead of lithium pills…

No FDA regulation? Bandaids are regulated. Must be like Pyramid power, crystal power or those bracelets.

Mind over Matter. In other words, quackery.

I remember seeing something like this that the military uses on drone pilot trainees that helps them learn faster by stimulating the front of the brain, I think other studies were done and showed that it did increase the learning ability of the people who it was attached to.

originally posted by: intrptr

No FDA regulation? Bandaids are regulated. Must be like Pyramid power, crystal power or those bracelets.

Mind over Matter. In other words, quackery.

Not so much. It's a combo of TDCS and an AC signal. So you're getting complex waveforms with a DC offset. Will know more when I can get my hands on one with a scope.

Not being fda approved is a problem from the get-go, but if it had been, and there were enough conclusive results, I'd be interested in trying it....maybe.

I do think electricity and the body can be symbiotic or a negative, depending on the application.

I bet someone will figure out how to hack it and do interesting things with it. . .

originally posted by: SunnyDee
...and there were enough conclusive results, I'd be interested in trying it....maybe.

They've got some interesting research, and a very nice set of data from testing. The guys are not rank amateurs, nor snake-oil salesmen.

However, I think their first device is going to be where the real "fun" can be found. Although this one has a lot of promise as well.

a reply to: BrianFlanders

Though I agree with you my stance is, if you think it does don't use it.

The internet by the way is the greatest example of this. Nothing else globally throught history even comes close to it, except maybe religion as a whole, but that a whole other arguement.

a reply to: Bedlam

Because thats coming from you and I know you are tech savvy, I'll accept it for now.

Aren't we pierced by multiple signals in most every spectrum already, from man made to deep space? I don't see how this could be any different than standing under hi tension lines or holding a cell phone to our ear.

I also know matching certain alpha rhythms with strobe lights can cause seizures in Epileptics, for instance.

If this science were really real, why doesn't the government just beam it all over to calm everyone… whoops.

originally posted by: AnteBellum
a reply to: BrianFlanders

Though I agree with you my stance is, if you think it does don't use it.

The problem is that you're not thinking far enough ahead. I'm worried about this kind of thing evolving into something you can't refuse. Like Obamacare. It never crossed my mind that the government would ever even try to force me to buy health insurance until it happened. Because I made the mistake of believing things like the myth that the media is really on our side.

The internet by the way is the greatest example of this. Nothing else globally throught history even comes close to it, except maybe religion as a whole, but that a whole other arguement.

I'm well aware of that. And I'm old enough to have seen the drastic changes between when I was growing up and how things are now that I don't like what I see at all. There isn't a doubt in my mind that the internet has ruined a lot of what was good and things we took for granted (like being able to take a dump without having to tell the world how it feels on Facebook).

Don't get me wrong. I enjoy the internet. But I also am not nearly as enthusiastic about it as I used to be when I was far more naive about how things would develop. The internet used to be a relatively pleasant experience. It never really occurred to me to think about what it was going to turn into when the Jerry Springer crowd came online in force.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Bedlam

Because thats coming from you and I know you are tech savvy, I'll accept it for now.

Aren't we pierced by multiple signals in most every spectrum already, from man made to deep space?

Radio waves don't cause current to flow through your head.

I can't rig up a broadcast that will put a DC current across you, nor would you couple well (at all, in practical terms) to an AC signal that would functionally interact with neurons - the wavelength is far too long.

Thus a direct connection is a much more useful way to diddle with your internal electrical processes.

It's still a broad brush, though, in its current form. The original design used a phased array of ultrasonic emitters gooped to your head, and was capable of very flexible targeting of multiple areas of the brain. Sort of like an ultrasonic HAARP for your noggin. It was much more effective. But it was too intrusive, capable of a lot of various effects, only a few of which they investigated before abandoning the technique. I believe it's the way to go.

a reply to: Bedlam

Theres only one pole, right? I though if you wanted to induce current you need two, like electro shock therapy?

This seems too minute to impose much of an induced current. Does the wire shown go to a battery pack? Whats the dc voltage level? and the micro amps, is there…

aw, never mind. If you buy one and scope it, let us know.

a reply to: JHumm

Like hypnosis?

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Bedlam

Theres only one pole, right? I though if you wanted to induce current you need two, like electro shock therapy?

This seems too minute to impose much of an induced current. Does the wire shown go to a battery pack? Whats the dc voltage level? and the micro amps, is there…

aw, never mind. If you buy one and scope it, let us know.

The "puck" has li-ion batteries in it, from what I can gather. TDCS uses only about 2mA of current, I've got a nice TDCS rig that pumps the internal battery up to about 24 V at 2mA for the duration of the treatment.

This thing has a couple of snap connectors (sort of like metal clothes buttons) on the back side of the puck. The puck snaps onto an electrode harness that's a flex cable embedded in a foam strip. The strip has a skin contact under the puck, the other end of the strip goes behind your ear for an "energy vibe", or on the base of your neck for a "calm vibe".

There's two mechanically different strips for "calm" and "energy". I don't know if the puck detects the strip type and chooses the correct "vibe" program. The puck and ear/neck ends have conductive adhesive to stick them in place. They've rigged the strips with a silver conductor that plates off as you use it, giving you a visual indicator that the strip has been used (there's a window or something?) and limiting the strip's number of uses by physically deteriorating after about three uses. I think.

They're cagey about that. They admit you can use the strips about three times each. A pack of 10 should be good for a month. I don't know if the silver trick will break the strip, but they imply it. I have a lot of tacgel to recharge the sticky bits. If the strip wears out after three uses, I'll build a "permanent" harness that doesn't wear out and market it.

They say they have many other "vibes" besides calm and energy but they're not ready for deployment yet.

eta: look at the first pic in the OP. You can see a dark streak going up into her hair from the puck, and the other end is behind her ear. This means it's an "energy" strip.

etaa: the puck uses your iPhone to log the number of uses for each vibe type, it "phones home" to get an ok to run, more than likely. I'd say they might be able to prevent your using a permanent strip, but I think it might violate federal law. Hard to say.

a reply to: Bedlam

Could you combine this with bineuarl beats/brainwave entrainment?

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: Bedlam

Could you combine this with bineuarl beats/brainwave entrainment?

Maybe.

I know you could do all sorts of things with the ultrasonic setup. Good things. Interesting things. MIC sorts of things.

This one, maybe not so much. But who knows? We got a really big "attaboy" and a patent gag from this sort of thing when we first started out, and whaddaya know, it was grossly similar...I think. Will know a lot more when we have some to # with.

eta: btw, we have the entire set of Monroe discs and they're interesting too. If you don't have them, they're worth the money.

Spectre in new James Bond movies can use this on look a-likes or henchmen to fool Bond.
That is until Bond cranks up the wattage with his rolex and watch them flutter away mumbling incoherently before they drop over dead.

a reply to: joeraynor

Everytime I log on to ATS there is at least one thing, or two, that makes me say "WTAF?!?!?"

This is the one for today. You'd have to be a complete and total moron to put something like this on your head. This is seriously disturbing and makes my head hurt.

Zzzzaapppp!

a reply to: joeraynor

Yeah it is called a TV. Been around quite a while now, responsible for brainwashing through subliminal thoughts using the electrical synapses of your brain waves.

a reply to: Bedlam

What are Monroe discs? Did a search on google and nothing came up.