What needs to be done for faster than light travel?

a reply to: Erno86

If you sincerely want to know i can help you.

I invite you to read the thread in my signature

Polar jets, one's that emanate from the accretion disks of large black hole's, can reach "speeds of about 66 percent the speed of light" or about 440 million miles per hour ---- Now...if we can install a micro-mini black hole onboard a starship, that has close to these thrust figures --- The possibility of reaching the speed of light barrier and beyond into the superluminal realm with such a propulsion unit onboard a starship, is very real --- imho.


Cheers,

Erno

originally posted by: Erno86
a reply to: joelr



As the micro-mini black hole propulsion unit is fed photons...it will expel some in it's two polar jets, which are directed to thruster outlets on the starship, expelled at near the speed of light --- Thereby...having the starship increasing speed, exponentially squared, easily up to the speed of light and beyond into the superluminal realm.

Back in 1905 some science happened that you haven't yet come to understand. If you ever feel like getting caught up then you'll need to understand Special Relativity. The relevant aspects of relativity are not really that hard to grasp though? What is it about infinite energy that you can't get? A mini, macro, micro, monster or whatever black hole does not contain infinite energy.

The closer you get to light speed more of the energy goes into increasing the objects mass. Eventually, if you managed to get to say 99.999999999 the speed of light, to get to the next "9" would take more energy than the entire universe has.
Even then, if you added that much energy you would just get to another 9. There is no end to those nines.

Also your time would be so slowed down that billions of years would pass in just seconds, or more. You would jump to the end of the universe in minutes. If there is an end, or a big rip or whatever.

originally posted by: greenreflections
a reply to: joelr

A particle moving at light speed experiences zero time and because space and time are interwoven into the same concept - space-time - you can also say a photon experiences zero distance. The faster an object goes the more it contracts and experiences less time and less space.

Agree, but I would make a correction.
Time experiences infinite (not zero) value.
It would mean photon is everywhere. If object, not light, contracts, it will take more time (not less) for it to cover same distance. Time dilation.

say between point A and point B is 1.5 meters. A ball 1 meter in diameter leaves point A. It will touch down at point B in 1 sec. Now is the scenario where the faster you roll the ball the smaller it gets. It gets smaller already at moment it was pushed to the point B if it undergoes acceleration while at motion. It already started to grow smaller in diameter as it left rest state.

When you roll it faster the more revolutions and more time it will take it to cover same distance. Once you roll it at speeds to the point of singularity, distance will proportionally extend the faster you roll the ball and at 300 000 km/sec time will extend to infinity with same distance to cover. This conclusion somehow more visualized imagining where light is occupying all of space at the same time.



But SR effects are only noticeable at relativistic speeds. It did not say it is absent at all. It could be that when I am walking by people on a side walk, I am the subject of SR. It is always present in theory, but only detectible at relativistic speeds.

I understand what you are saying and I think it can be said both ways.

The Lorentz transformations say time stands still for something moving at light speed and the L. contraction makes all distances zero.
From the frame of the photon everything else is moving at light speed.
So it can be said that time does not exist for a photon (that's what I mean by zero time) or that distance doesn't exist.

I remember John Gribbin writing about that and commenting on how little it's mentioned considering it's such a crazy thing.
I think somewhere in there is a key to understanding physics better. Gribbin thinks so too, but I really did think that before he mentioned it.

a reply to: joelr

Whats even funnier is that science was also critically wrong. Even einstein said his theory sucked. Guess what 100 years later scientists had to go back and fix all if his geodesic Bull Sh!t equasions to actually match reality. But i guess actual gains in science are what happens when you dump trillions of dollars into an idea.

a reply to: joelr

If you really want to get caught up dump relativity.

originally posted by: joelr

originally posted by: greenreflections
a reply to: joelr

A particle moving at light speed experiences zero time and because space and time are interwoven into the same concept - space-time - you can also say a photon experiences zero distance. The faster an object goes the more it contracts and experiences less time and less space.

Agree, but I would make a correction.
Time experiences infinite (not zero) value.
It would mean photon is everywhere. If object, not light, contracts, it will take more time (not less) for it to cover same distance. Time dilation.

say between point A and point B is 1.5 meters. A ball 1 meter in diameter leaves point A. It will touch down at point B in 1 sec. Now is the scenario where the faster you roll the ball the smaller it gets. It gets smaller already at moment it was pushed to the point B if it undergoes acceleration while at motion. It already started to grow smaller in diameter as it left rest state.

When you roll it faster the more revolutions and more time it will take it to cover same distance. Once you roll it at speeds to the point of singularity, distance will proportionally extend the faster you roll the ball and at 300 000 km/sec time will extend to infinity with same distance to cover. This conclusion somehow more visualized imagining where light is occupying all of space at the same time.



But SR effects are only noticeable at relativistic speeds. It did not say it is absent at all. It could be that when I am walking by people on a side walk, I am the subject of SR. It is always present in theory, but only detectible at relativistic speeds.

I understand what you are saying and I think it can be said both ways.

The Lorentz transformations say time stands still for something moving at light speed and the L. contraction makes all distances zero.
From the frame of the photon everything else is moving at light speed.
So it can be said that time does not exist for a photon (that's what I mean by zero time) or that distance doesn't exist.

I remember John Gribbin writing about that and commenting on how little it's mentioned considering it's such a crazy thing.
I think somewhere in there is a key to understanding physics better. Gribbin thinks so too, but I really did think that before he mentioned it.

Well it does say something if you think about it. Slow something down from the speed of light and time and space is created. This also falls on to the higgs field. If it didn't slow things down everything would be moving at the speed of light. So we could say extroploate that the higs field creates time and space. How that for a reverse look at the universe.

originally posted by: BASSPLYR
a reply to: joelr

Whats even funnier is that science was also critically wrong.

Which science? Wrong about what? Funnier than what?

Even einstein said his theory sucked.

No he said quantum mechanics was incomplete. He said HIS theory was so right that even if it failed to be confirmed experimentally then GOD WAS WRONG!

I'm feeling like that's the complete opposite of saying something sucks.

Guess what 100 years later scientists had to go back and fix all if his geodesic Bull Sh!t equasions to actually match reality. But i guess actual gains in science are what happens when you dump trillions of dollars into an idea.

No that didn't happen either. GR was complete and proven in 1926.

Is there any other crap science knowledge you need to make up and post?

originally posted by: BASSPLYR
a reply to: joelr

If you really want to get caught up dump relativity.

Go ahead, tell me which parts you disagree with and why.

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: joelr

originally posted by: greenreflections
a reply to: joelr

A particle moving at light speed experiences zero time and because space and time are interwoven into the same concept - space-time - you can also say a photon experiences zero distance. The faster an object goes the more it contracts and experiences less time and less space.

Agree, but I would make a correction.
Time experiences infinite (not zero) value.
It would mean photon is everywhere. If object, not light, contracts, it will take more time (not less) for it to cover same distance. Time dilation.

say between point A and point B is 1.5 meters. A ball 1 meter in diameter leaves point A. It will touch down at point B in 1 sec. Now is the scenario where the faster you roll the ball the smaller it gets. It gets smaller already at moment it was pushed to the point B if it undergoes acceleration while at motion. It already started to grow smaller in diameter as it left rest state.

When you roll it faster the more revolutions and more time it will take it to cover same distance. Once you roll it at speeds to the point of singularity, distance will proportionally extend the faster you roll the ball and at 300 000 km/sec time will extend to infinity with same distance to cover. This conclusion somehow more visualized imagining where light is occupying all of space at the same time.



But SR effects are only noticeable at relativistic speeds. It did not say it is absent at all. It could be that when I am walking by people on a side walk, I am the subject of SR. It is always present in theory, but only detectible at relativistic speeds.

I understand what you are saying and I think it can be said both ways.

The Lorentz transformations say time stands still for something moving at light speed and the L. contraction makes all distances zero.
From the frame of the photon everything else is moving at light speed.
So it can be said that time does not exist for a photon (that's what I mean by zero time) or that distance doesn't exist.

I remember John Gribbin writing about that and commenting on how little it's mentioned considering it's such a crazy thing.
I think somewhere in there is a key to understanding physics better. Gribbin thinks so too, but I really did think that before he mentioned it.

Well it does say something if you think about it. Slow something down from the speed of light and time and space is created. This also falls on to the higgs field. If it didn't slow things down everything would be moving at the speed of light. So we could say extroploate that the higs field creates time and space. How that for a reverse look at the universe.

Yes it does say something interesting for sure. Slow down from light speed and you get causality and a spacial experience. While the fast speed of light allows for a causal experience to work perfectly, keeping the past and future well separated.

These connected systems have to all work just-so, so time and space are things I no longer take for granted. Like assuming there is spacial and time-like dimensions outside of the universe. Even these basic concepts take fine-tuned systems operating in a specific balance to be functional.

And right before the Big Bang all this potential and information existed in a subatomic sized ball of quantum energy

a reply to: joelr

I agree except for one thing there is nothing outside thr universe. Doesn't matter how you look at it of your universe is everything we can interact with. If it's outside our universe it is non existent.

originally posted by: joelr

originally posted by: Erno86
a reply to: joelr



As the micro-mini black hole propulsion unit is fed photons...it will expel some in it's two polar jets, which are directed to thruster outlets on the starship, expelled at near the speed of light --- Thereby...having the starship increasing speed, exponentially squared, easily up to the speed of light and beyond into the superluminal realm.

Back in 1905 some science happened that you haven't yet come to understand. If you ever feel like getting caught up then you'll need to understand Special Relativity. The relevant aspects of relativity are not really that hard to grasp though? What is it about infinite energy that you can't get? A mini, macro, micro, monster or whatever black hole does not contain infinite energy.

The closer you get to light speed more of the energy goes into increasing the objects mass. Eventually, if you managed to get to say 99.999999999 the speed of light, to get to the next "9" would take more energy than the entire universe has.
Even then, if you added that much energy you would just get to another 9. There is no end to those nines.

Also your time would be so slowed down that billions of years would pass in just seconds, or more. You would jump to the end of the universe in minutes. If there is an end, or a big rip or whatever.

A micro mini black hole will eventually decay, but last forever on a human timescale --- Meanwhile...feed the micro mini black hole with matter or photons, and have us harness the energy in a way that can be used as thrust for an interstellar craft.

Here's an interesting link about harnessing micro-mini black holes:

www.youtube.com...

originally posted by: Erno86

originally posted by: joelr

originally posted by: Erno86
a reply to: joelr



As the micro-mini black hole propulsion unit is fed photons...it will expel some in it's two polar jets, which are directed to thruster outlets on the starship, expelled at near the speed of light --- Thereby...having the starship increasing speed, exponentially squared, easily up to the speed of light and beyond into the superluminal realm.

Back in 1905 some science happened that you haven't yet come to understand. If you ever feel like getting caught up then you'll need to understand Special Relativity. The relevant aspects of relativity are not really that hard to grasp though? What is it about infinite energy that you can't get? A mini, macro, micro, monster or whatever black hole does not contain infinite energy.

The closer you get to light speed more of the energy goes into increasing the objects mass. Eventually, if you managed to get to say 99.999999999 the speed of light, to get to the next "9" would take more energy than the entire universe has.
Even then, if you added that much energy you would just get to another 9. There is no end to those nines.

Also your time would be so slowed down that billions of years would pass in just seconds, or more. You would jump to the end of the universe in minutes. If there is an end, or a big rip or whatever.

A micro mini black hole will eventually decay, but last forever on a human timescale --- Meanwhile...feed the micro mini black hole with matter or photons, and have us harness the energy in a way that can be used as thrust for an interstellar craft.

Here's an interesting link about harnessing micro-mini black holes:

www.youtube.com...

Hmmmm, next spring, a picture of an event horizon by the new virtual telescope.