What needs to be done for faster than light travel?

originally posted by: IAmTheRumble
a reply to: 5StarOracle

According to modern theory, changing space in one way or another is our only option.

I know how to do that. Just point me toward the closest immovable object.

originally posted by: Jukiodone

originally posted by: Bedlam

Is that a good or a bad discovery, though, is what you have to ask. Considering nothing's like Star Trek. And given the possibly legitimate propensity of the military to judge threat by capability and not intent, if you realized you weren't alone on an exploratory run, a chunky part of the rest of your life is likely to be spent on the beach at Planet Beta, where you will be staying so you don't lead your new acquaintances home. If, that is, they don't kill you on the spot themselves.

I still reckon that screenplay ought to focus on developing your strategically realistic perspective on secret space exploration.

I would ditch the screenplay after what that nobody asshole did to those scriptwriters while riding around on a dragon.

As time goes by, people will realist that the energy requirements to traverse the stars would be better spent in traveling simulations of the stars....

The only time we need to travel far enough to need something close to an FLT Drive wold be to escape ultimate and unavoidable planetary destruction.

originally posted by: Korg Trinity
As time goes by, people will realist that the energy requirements to traverse the stars would be better spent in traveling simulations of the stars....

The only time we need to travel far enough to need something close to an FLT Drive wold be to escape ultimate and unavoidable planetary destruction.

nice, and as for the latter, handier than you might think.

Skin equals lead and mercury plus fusion reactor to create "alloy"

What humans really need is another 'Tesla' Einstein thought Tesla was more brainy than himself.
Damn good thread by the way.

originally posted by: pikestaff
What humans really need is another 'Tesla' Einstein thought Tesla was more brainy than himself.
Damn good thread by the way.

that is already in place

Magnets. Big, honkin' space magnets.

originally posted by: Bedlam

originally posted by: Jukiodone


I still reckon that screenplay ought to focus on developing your strategically realistic perspective on secret space exploration.

It's going to be hard enough explaining why it's not just push a button and then kick back while you hear the theme music and stars cruise past the viewscreen, and everyone is calm and it's relatively quiet. Hell, in Star Trek, you can't even tell if you're IN warp drive if you're not looking out the window.

That reminds me of something i read in the st tng technical manual for 1701d.

The producers during the first seasons made the writers come up with any reason to bring the ship out of warp or, when in warp, the scene had to be in a room on the set that had no shots of the windows.

Apparently it was too expensive to do the streaking stars effect outside the windows and they didnt have the budget to use it more often until the later seasons.

So if you analyse the first few seasons there were few instances compared to later seasons where they showed the ship at warp from an interior shot. They just mentioned it was or implied it was.

Also they didnt hve the budget for all the sets they had during the later seasons so the first few seasons many locales of the ship seen later are mearly talked about but not shown. Or the same set was used over and over again but dressed differently.

originally posted by: Bedlam

Is that a good or a bad discovery, though, is what you have to ask. Considering nothing's like Star Trek. And given the possibly legitimate propensity of the military to judge threat by capability and not intent, if you realized you weren't alone on an exploratory run, a chunky part of the rest of your life is likely to be spent on the beach at Planet Beta, where you will be staying so you don't lead your new acquaintances home. If, that is, they don't kill you on the spot themselves.

If you're talking about capability, how can somebody be tracked outside a light-cone? If you're gone, you're gone.

Why not fly to Beta, and have another ship pick you up later? How could anybody know where it came from? There's no "seeing it fly from the Delta Quadrant first" business.

If you assume ET civilization with technology and GPP 10^8 times higher and believe in magic, then it's too late---they've already sent self-replicating probes everywhere and they know everything already. We have 3000 Argo floats probing our oceans now.

In which case our capability is small relatively, and our intent towards Them matters much more.

Disease matters more, and that goes both ways, but is an unlikely threat without evolutionary commonality.

a reply to: BASSPLYR

Relativistic interstellar hydrogen gas coming at you is massively irradiating.

originally posted by: mbkennel


If you're talking about capability, how can somebody be tracked outside a light-cone? If you're gone, you're gone.

Posting to hope you set me right more than anything but, as I understand it, wouldn't you would be "gone" temporally/optically but you would still impart spatial information to Rindler horizon (i.e the test masses' co-ordinates as it occupies/displaces the average functions of Space itself).

The description offered did specify that you need to keep a connection to Space otherwise you entered your own universe...
Maybe that connection is detectable?
Space radar guns set out at strategic locations that detect none average behavior in free space a la warp signature detection.

The problem comes with evaluating a totally unknown species' capabilities. Did they plant something on you? Can they track you? Would you bet your species' life on it?

originally posted by: Bedlam
The problem comes with evaluating a totally unknown species' capabilities. Did they plant something on you? Can they track you? Would you bet your species' life on it?

LOL just set us straight on the light cone thing will ya?

originally posted by: Jukiodone

originally posted by: Bedlam
The problem comes with evaluating a totally unknown species' capabilities. Did they plant something on you? Can they track you? Would you bet your species' life on it?

LOL just set us straight on the light cone thing will ya?

Well, WE can't. Hell, we can't even do FTL comms. But who knows what COULD be done? We thought you couldn't possibly have enough antimatter to be an issue 30 years ago.

While at present you think it can't be done doesn't mean it won't ever be done. You can sort of assign likelihoods to it but if you hit the Metrons you're going to have a different experience than with the Kzin.

originally posted by: mbkennel
If you assume ET civilization with technology and GPP 10^8 times higher and believe in magic, then it's too late---they've already sent self-replicating probes everywhere and they know everything already.

That's a problem. It may be why you have a Fermi paradox.

a reply to: Bedlam

I have a different version of the metrons. Instead of pitting two starship captains to a duel to the death only to discover humanity is too immature to be considered intelligent life and needs another thousand years to grow up.

I think its more likely they go "oh hell its humans again! They're the trailer trash of the galaxy! No! Dont make eye contact with them! In fact, dont make any kinda contact! Come back in another 10,000 years! "

Humans: "hey! Hey mr spaceman where you going!?! Right now is a perfectly good opportunity to throw your species future away! Ohhh man. Those aliens never stop for me. Im doing the flashlight three times trick at them and everything."

originally posted by: BASSPLYR
a reply to: Bedlam

I have a different version of the metrons

The Metrons are an unknowably advanced race that likes to interfere, sometimes in seemingly cruel ways. As opposed to, say, Organians who generally WON'T interfere, or Thasians who do but only here and there.

Metrons could be bad. Kzin, on the other hand, are guaranteed to kill you but are only a few hundred years ahead of you at most.

a reply to: Bedlam

Kizin are like less honorable Predators. But luckily stupid to a fault. Can ya believe we ended up with them putzs worshiping humanity! The fools!

The organians! Bah! Tricksters with sophisticated holographic technology masquerading as non corperal entities as a protective gambit of deception to make them appear to be more advanced than they are in an attempt to ward off aggressive species demonstrating a wide swath of virtuosity such as us humans.

We see through that act you organians. Rest assured the first thing we're gunna do is kick your ass halfway across the galaxy just to spite you frontin dweebs!

Maybe we're the thing that goes bump in the night.

originally posted by: BASSPLYR
Maybe we're the thing that goes bump in the night.

That's the Tnuctipun.