You Angels are unfathomable to this world.

Keep in mind, a way to better ourselves. With every choice you can choose angel wings and Halos or devil horns. What I mean is there is often a moral choice with things , you can choose to break plans and maybe hurt a friend temporarily or grind your teeth and go even if you don't feel like it. Self sacrifice. Even smaller things like lying about something, I still step back a second when I do that and realize maybe that wasn't the best thing to do. We all have a conscience and have the power to make life better for every body or just wallow in self destruction and be mad and angry. I really like d your poem, makes me think of the small victories we have , my late mom was a nurse and made a garden in the backyard with angel statues and a section with Budda statues she called her " zen garden". I think most women are kind and good hearted like my mom and mothers can look like angels taking care of kids. Thanks for the poem.

originally posted by: Woodcarver
a reply to: Trachel

So you have manipulated some poor soul into being your pet. How quaint....


Evil apparrently is fathomable enough for some.

Man, you nailed it right on the head!

Well spotted!

a reply to: Trachel

Lol awesome reply...

a reply to: Trachel

And honestly, a significant number of humans haven't yet reached states of evolution where they're ready to hear the messages angels deliver. In general angels are here to touch and bring to heaven the people that can be reached--and that will have a cascading (uplifting) effect on everyone else. 

You're right many are not ready, and even the a rising tide, many will still never be ready, because there is black and white in this world.

The more people understand angels though, the more shadows will be cast out as every soul reached by angels adds light to the world.

a reply to: Trachel

and your friend goes along with this?
you do know its very unlikely to teach an old dog a new trick, make someone change their ways and be what you think is best for them rather than them discovering whats best on their own
what's the hurry?

a reply to: blacktie

There are a few possible answers to this.
Firstly, we need to confront the cynical cliché. The use of the word old is an invalid one. A more appropriate definition of what this cliche is trying to suggest is "vital". And what the cliche translates to in less convoluted terms would be something like "You can't learn new things without vitality". Common sense. But the idea that old people, as the cliche suggests, being unable to learn new things even in their very old age is not commonly accepted as true, and is proven over and over to be a myth. But old myths did hard ( an old cliché )

Secondly, what you said after the cliche;

"make someone change their ways and be what you think is best for them rather than them discovering whats best on their own
what's the hurry?"

Well, fjrst of all, you might know by intuition that they will never change their ways unless you intervene (this is usually how it happens. It's not calculated, its instantaneous...) And be aware of something. There is a very big difference between manipulating in a calculated way over a long period of time, and trying to engage with that person to help them change by their own volition based on what you say. In away that will hopefully inspire them through your interaction to change instantaneously. With covert manipulation (hypnosis) the aim is to engage that person subconsciousness and cause it to change against the subjects will. This is in the opposite side of the spectrum. It's actively engaging with that person's higher mind and getting that to connect with what you're saying in a way that informs the individual of your perspective coherently and allows them the oppertunity to ask questions etc and eventually make their own mind up based on what you have said. You may not be able to help someone in one conversation but over many conversations for that person it might start to click, and have a positive outcome that changes their life for the better.

I don't know statistics or anything but perhaps a lot of people don't need to become wiser beings... I very much doubt that, but at is implicitly what you cynics are saying..
Some peoples lives are on trajectories that they can not predict, and unless they have someone more knowledgeable than themselves to step in and guide them away from the darkness, they may end up in terrible circumstances. Hollywood loves these stories, and will make heroes out of them, when the reality is usually a lot different. Don't be fooled by Hollywood screenplays. It's not real its just theater. Your life is real.

Many people might not be on dark roads through any fault of their own, it may simply be that they are negatively influenced by someone or something happening or that has happened that they learned about and drew the a negative kind of inspiration from (can be fiction and non fiction). Everyone knows especially parents this happens all the time. But most of the time its very subtle and can be unnoticable and too hard to trace to k ow where its coming from. It may not even be external influence, sometimes it can be internal and very hard to combat, because having wisdom you feel that you've gathered yourself can make you feel empowered. The problem is no one is able to challenge what youve concluded internally about life.

So they too need a helper or an angel to guide them, and help them learn the necessary skills to combat evil influence.


I hope this improves your understanding of what Trachel has been attempting with his very lucky friend ...

a reply to: nonjudgementalist

... just .

Thanks for stepping in and giving a super-detailed explanation.

You're really kind.

originally posted by: blacktie
a reply to: Trachel

and your friend goes along with this?
you do know its very unlikely to teach an old dog a new trick, make someone change their ways and be what you think is best for them rather than them discovering whats best on their own
what's the hurry?

He absolutely goes along with this. It's a hand-up rather than a hand-out... in one life I'll hopefully be helping him attain a state that would've taken him dozens or hundreds of lives to reach unguided.

As for what the hurry is... he's my friend. Of course I want the best for him (along with everyone else, but it's not like I've got such close contact with the whole world).

When this life is over I want him having the best possible outcome in the next world. I want him getting the biggest rewards in the best dimensional realms. Ergo I'm willing to put in significant efforts towards helping him reach an apex state.

originally posted by: nonjudgementalist
The more people understand angels though, the more shadows will be cast out as every soul reached by angels adds light to the world.

You got it, right here.

It's impossible to reach everyone, and it's impossible to reach everyone to the same extent.

But that's okay. The whole process is just an aggregation of additional light that'll lead to an avalanche of change.

I once read that if (something like) no more than 1% of the world practiced transcendental meditation, wars would essentially cease because we'd have enough groundswell of support towards ending them forever.

A positive spiritual change in even a small percentage of people will have a massive cascading effect. That's what everyone is shooting towards accomplishing.

originally posted by: nonjudgementalist
Either way just keep loving as best as you know how

Nah, that is not good enough here, or there, anywhere.

But carry on believing things should just keep on keeping on.

And I will move forwards, far past what is "allowed".

a reply to: Trachel

I do not think you realize all the forces that are involved.

During this meditation, many blinders are foisted upon you, because you are following programs designed to do this.

I have personally gone far beyond the meditation, and straight into OPEN.

And now I understand why they keep the meditation as a nice tidy trap for those who wish things to get better.

You will not accomplish anything, and never will , whilst believing that you "could" do this or that.

You do not even see the incredible amount of effort put into making sure things stay just the way they are.

But if you take it far enough, they will surely come and visit you, and you will likely be shocked beyond your wildest dreams, that things are so SO much more complex than before.

IF you try and make things a lot better here, a hell of a lot of damage will occur, because of the design, just warnin ya, what ALL AVATARS will not do, is try to change ANYTHING, because they are all AFRAID.

a reply to: ParasuvO

You can do what you please, as you please, but it won't get you very far it its not loving.

Only love can progress, transcend and move beyond. So keep loving, a best as you know how, until you reach the final destination (enlightenment), beyond which there is no longer any worldly suffering.

a reply to: ParasuvO

IF you try and make things a lot better here, a hell of a lot of damage will occur, because of the design, just warnin ya, what ALL AVATARS will not do, is try to change ANYTHING, because they are all AFRAID.

And ignorant of...?

Their true potential.

a reply to: Trachel

Perhaps they don't understand the teacher student relationship. A real teacher will take on the karma of the student, a real teacher is also allowed to do pretty much whatever they want to the student including having them mutilate themselves if it's conducive to their growth. Absolute fits of rage for no reason, lying, leading them on in increasingly convoluted and sick psychological mind games, such things.

Bodhidharma had a student cut off his arm, Milarepa had to build a tower over and over again, Yeshe Tsogyal was practising austerities leading to bodily harm that would have killed normal men many times over.

This is the truth of things.

A teacher's first responsibility is to his student. He will create whatever environment is necessary for that student's growth. This often includes acts which appear cruel or nonsensical to those who are standing outside of that intimate circle. The first act is to make ready, to purify, the student's karmic obstacles to enlightenment. To do so includes anything from physical hardship to absolute fits of rage for no apparent reason. Sometimes the teacher may actually take the students karma upon himself. This is quite dangerous, for if the student falls away from practice, the teachers burden can become so heavy that it can destroy the body.

So the responsibility of the teacher is much greater than that of the student, whose main goal is to put himself into the 'state of grace' necessary to receive that which the teacher has the power to transmit. A teacher must be able to directly transmit his heart wisdom into that of the student. Otherwise, he is not a teacher.

Oh.. and wonderful poem.. =)

originally posted by: TheLaughingGod
a reply to: Trachel

Perhaps they don't understand the teacher student relationship. A real teacher will take on the karma of the student, a real teacher is also allowed to do pretty much whatever they want to the student including having them mutilate themselves if it's conducive to their growth. Absolute fits of rage for no reason, lying, leading them on in increasingly convoluted and sick psychological mind games, such things.

Bodhidharma had a student cut off his arm, Milarepa had to build a tower over and over again, Yeshe Tsogyal was practising austerities leading to bodily harm that would have killed normal men many times over.

Uhh, this is gross. And Internetz are weird... pretty much I just teach my friend meditation techniques and let him know the moral course of action in situations where his ethics are still skewed. I certainly don't lie or play mind games, as both run contrary towards my own ethical code.

And Bodhidharma did NOT have a student cut off his arm. The student cut off his arm without being asked just to prove how devoted he was towards the teaching. I'd go into my library and look up the name of his student, but I'm sweaty post-workout, and I wouldn't want deface my books on Buddhism.

a reply to: Trachel

I agree its not about taking on a students karma its about transcending karma altogether.

It's impossible to reach everyone, and it's impossible to reach everyone to the same extent. 

But that's okay. The whole process is just an aggregation of additional light that'll lead to an avalanche of change.

But perhaps the laughing god has a point in that some people's darkness may need to be dealt, instead of being avoided altogether. These are beings whose negative karma is more deeply engrained, so perhaps the way to deal with it may appear more dramatic to outside observers, but there is no reason why it should mean becoming dark oneself. To a being that has already transcended karma it would just mean emanating more light, and more power, but in a controlled way and never ever being overwhelmed or consumed by it. I think I've seen a lot of teachers make at mistake.

On the other hand, if a teacher hasnt transcended karma, and share similar karma to the student they're trying to teach then perhaps it would be appropriate to do something like taking the students karma. But it should be one foot in one foot out... If that makes sense..never both feet in... i think ive seen this happen too, and when it happens you're both lost, and will both go insane. A more accurate description though would be imitating, or mirroring or play acting a person's karma, in a way that leads them away from their lack of understanding, one foot in one foot out. Its sometimes subtle and sometimes dramatic but always very zen and can be very effective

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a reply to: nonjudgementalist

This is when you share the same mandala with your consort as you create the Solar bodies, without this sexual practice one cannot attain the true heights.

Why do the young Western Buddhists not appreciate the militant nature of Buddhism? Darkness is merely a tool, Wrathful emanations are very real and so is the wrathful deity training. Hitler was chosen for his evil part as an adept and so was Maria Orsitsch(though she regretted it). In that life they played the dark side with negative ET's. People don't appreciate the dual nature and the increased passion of the adept, when an angel fall they will fall heavy. Some of the most famous gods has done the most evil things.. it's just the nature of the game. Gods/spiritual hierarchies play games with trillions of people and they play both sides. Sometimes in systems that have been utterly swallowed by darkness.

One cannot attain the heights without hitting the absolute bottom. The tide turns in their favour. Heaven will smile, but the World will turn against them.

USA holds the No.1 spot on the number of people who believe angels are real.

Not exactly a stellar no. 1 spot to hold.

Seems like education might be the one to go for.

a reply to: TheLaughingGod

You're talking about platitudes. But that is still illusion. At a certain level, all levels dissappear.
Because their dependent arising is rooted in the samsaric plane. The angels dependent arising to enlightenment comes from heaven, having purified all kleshas and developed insight (wisdom) that illuminates the true path.