Representatives of God

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: Trachel
And what happens if you get back to the spirit world and suddenly recall you came here on a mission of importance yet wasted your life sitting around on a couch or watching other people throw a ball on television?

How bad do you think you'd feel about that?

I'd drop a note in the suggestion box pointing out how stupid it is to have memories wiped upon incarnation.

Wouldn't feel bad at all if it's SOP.

Haha, I like this idea a lot.

I'm sure there actually is some kind of celestial suggestion box, and I'm equally sure the advice of incarnate spirits is always taken into due consideration.

But honestly, I don't know if I'd wanna remember everything from the other world. What if you had a wife/best friend/soulmate there you wouldn't see for the next 80 years?

How sad would that make you on the regular?

Also, what if you were a slacker-spirit in the other world that did nothing much of note but finally decided to take a reasonably challenging life. Would you want the weight of 1,000,000 years of prior slacking on your shoulders as you finally decided to pick it up and act right?

Tons of pros/cons on both sides, me thinks.

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
a reply to: Trachel

Pascal's Wager always seemed the wiser bet to me too Trachel. Again, a fine thread.

Thanks, TMG.

Honestly I'm just shouting blind into the crazy cave we call the web.

If someone hears one of my ideas and it resonates (and hopefully inspires them to live a little cleaner/better), I'm a super satisfied TRach.

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
The spiritual place you speak of is here already. We don't have to die to reach it. Meditate, that's where heaven is.

The "altar" or Spirit is located inside the "temple" or Body. On top of the altar is the "gift" or Mind. We can go back to our spiritual home anytime we like within this incarnation, all we have to do is meditate, when someone meditates (prays) they are entering heaven. To meditate is to enter into the temple and step up to the altar and receive the gift on the altar.

I don't think there is an "in-between" place between lives, there is only death and then immediate rebirth (at least from the perspective of the observer, it could be thousands or even millions of years from the point of view of those outside). I believe this moment is where everything lies.

I absolutely agree you can get a taste of heaven through concerted meditation. I've been there myself.

I also know that "heaven" is a dimensional realm that it's possible to reach incarnate following this life.

So while standing up on tiptoe peering over the amusement park fence and catching a glimpse of all the fun rides and games inside is great, nothing compares to using this life towards earning a ticket inside (refining kindness, empathy, morality, compassion, love, and ethics) so you can experience all those divine pleasures for yourself.

originally posted by: JimNasium
a reply to: Trachel


Greetings and Salutations- I've read 2 of Your threads and in those 2 threads You've mentioned the possibility of Life/"death"/Life/"death".. You still haven't mentioned how to 'tap into' that Energy (The Akasha) Perhaps if the doubters/skeptics had just a quick taste of what it is You type, they would "immediately" change their behaviors.


namaste

Hiya!

I'm not well-versed in the Aka-records. But I've probably tapped into that energy through a decade of Taoist meditation and Qigong, and a handful of encounters with a famous amazonian plant medicine that shall remain nameless.

Honestly my apex experiences meditating were (not as frequent or lengthy) as my shamanic encounters, but through them I learned as much or more.

So for anyone looking to follow my particular path, I'd say get a few years of meditation under your belt....

Then consider visiting mi buen amigo Orlando Chujandama

originally posted by: Trachel


I absolutely agree you can get a taste of heaven through concerted meditation. I'd been there myself.

Heaven is the space in which all is arising - you cannot know heaven but you can realize that you are the space in which all appears and disappears.
Like the sky, it is never tainted by anything that appears in it.

There is just God - it is this that is.
This image that is appearing here and now is the manifestation of God and God is what is seeing it - there is no distance between these seaming two.
This image is all there is - it is made of dream stuff. Within this one dream there may appear to be ideas of before and after and a someone living in the before and after - a separate me but that is just a dream made of the original dream - a dream within a dream. Man is made in the imagination of God.
What is seeing the dream??

Only when the dreamer is sought will the dream be realized.

originally posted by: Trachel
But honestly, I don't know if I'd wanna remember everything from the other world. What if you had a wife/best friend/soulmate there you wouldn't see for the next 80 years?

How sad would that make you on the regular?

If you're on a mission then you know that it is a noble cause you suck it up and move forward. People do it all the time.

Also, what if you were a slacker-spirit in the other world that did nothing much of note but finally decided to take a reasonably challenging life. Would you want the weight of 1,000,000 years of prior slacking on your shoulders as you finally decided to pick it up and act right?

You have really mundane points of view.

Who says the spirit world is full of busy work?

Who says that the life you signed up to live isn't one of couch warming and video games?

Would spirits really care if you "work" moving around solid bits if this bits are just an illusion?

originally posted by: daskakik
You have really mundane points of view.

Who says the spirit world is full of busy work?

Who says that the life you signed up to live isn't one of couch warming and video games?

First, thanks for the kind words. They made me feel super-special.

Second, even if you signed up for a slacker-life of couch warming and video games, that's not why you're here. The point of this experience is refining yourself towards perfection--not wallowing in a morass of stagnation.

Therefore even if you took an objectively easy life, you can still wake up and decide to make of it something more.

And you'll get tons of extra-credit in the spirit world for converting a slacker life into a productive one.

originally posted by: Trachel
Second, even if you signed up for a slacker-life of couch warming and video games, that's not why you're here. The point of this experience is refining yourself towards perfection--not wallowing in a morass of stagnation.

Didn't we go over this in another thread?

So you either can be a slacker and progress spiritually or you can't.

If you can then your example of a slacker is inappropriate and pointless.

If you can't then the idea of choosing a life experience is wrong.

Therefore even if you took an objectively easy life, you can still wake up and decide to make of it something more.

And you'll get tons of extra-credit in the spirit world for converting a slacker life into a productive one.

That isn't the way it was explained to me.

a reply to: Trachel
Brainwashing and lies! The mere fact of someone telling you should live X and Y carries an explicit intention of control over you and a utter violation of free will!

originally posted by: yosako
a reply to: Trachel
Brainwashing and lies! The mere fact of someone telling you should live X and Y carries an explicit intention of control over you and a utter violation of free will!

That's true--this is brainwashing.

I'm trying really hard to remove unproductive behavior patterns from minds so the world is filled with more examples of benevolence and light.

But it's not true that these are lies. Spiritual refinement is the only reason you're here--and unto that end the designers of reality entice you into this experience (and reward your participation) with fun things like material bodies and tactile senses.

And the further you progress along the path of refinement, the greater your eventual rewards become.

originally posted by: Trachel
I'm trying really hard to remove unproductive behavior patterns from minds so the world is filled with more examples of benevolence and light.

Who told you that they are related?

But it's not true that these are lies. Spiritual refinement is the only reason you're here--and unto that end the designers of reality entice you into this experience (and reward your participation) with fun things like material bodies and tactile senses.

And the further you progress along the path of refinement, the greater your eventual rewards become.

It's cool to have a belief. It isn't cool to try and brainwash people into sharing your belief.

Wouldn't doing that be spiritual regression on your part?

originally posted by: daskakik

Wouldn't doing that be spiritual regression on your part?

Nope.

Trying to convince others to be kinder, more loving, more compassionate people is about as progressive as it gets.

Bookmark this thread and reread it in a couple years. You're not into these ideas now, but you'd be surprised how your opinion can transform over time.

a reply to: Trachel
The end doesn't always justify the means. Maybe that is what you are here to learn? If so, you are on your way to an F.

I've read these types of ideas for decades. Was actually drawn to them in my teens. I doubt that your threads will ever convince me that there is any truth to what you say no matter how much time goes by.

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: Trachel
The end doesn't always justify the means. Maybe that is what you are here to learn? If so, you are on your way to an F.

I've read these types of ideas for decades. Was actually drawn to them in my teens. I doubt that your threads will ever convince me that there is any truth to what you say no matter how much time goes by.

Awesome, thanks for your unflinching assessment.

But I can't really figure out if you're trolling or serious. If you think encouraging people to spiritually progress towards benevolence is some kind of cosmic crime, yikes.

Either way, I seriously hope you do revisit these ideas--because there's a lot here worth absorbing. Even if you don't return to them in this lifetime, you'll venture back this direction eventually, inevitably, then irrevocably.

We're all manifestations of light. It just takes some people a little longer to polish themselves towards brilliance. And that's ok... that's why we're here.

originally posted by: Trachel
But I can't really figure out if you're trolling or serious. If you think encouraging people to spiritually progress towards benevolence is some kind of cosmic crime, yikes.

Brainwashing them into it is a cosmic crime. It goes against free will.

Either way, I seriously hope you do revisit these ideas--because there's a lot here worth absorbing. Even if you don't return to them in this lifetime, you'll venture back this direction eventually, inevitably, then irrevocably.

No, there is nothing here that comes close to the truth.

We're all manifestations of light. It just takes some people a little longer to polish themselves towards brilliance. And that's ok... that's why we're here.

Then why are you so adamant about pushing them towards the light?

If you really believed this statement you would let them chug along at their own pace.

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: Trachel
But I can't really figure out if you're trolling or serious. If you think encouraging people to spiritually progress towards benevolence is some kind of cosmic crime, yikes.

Brainwashing them into it is a cosmic crime. It goes against free will.

Either way, I seriously hope you do revisit these ideas--because there's a lot here worth absorbing. Even if you don't return to them in this lifetime, you'll venture back this direction eventually, inevitably, then irrevocably.

No, there is nothing here that comes close to the truth.

We're all manifestations of light. It just takes some people a little longer to polish themselves towards brilliance. And that's ok... that's why we're here.

Then why are you so adamant about pushing them towards the light?

If you really believed this statement you would let them chug along at their own pace.

You completely missed the tongue-in-cheek way I used the term brainwashing. Presenting people with perspectives isn't brainwashing... I thought the levity would be clear.

Also: Pushing someone towards something is far different than pointing the way.

Should I really let people chug through a maze of suffering when I can help hand them a map towards escape? I'd say denying them that advantage would be the real cosmic crime.

Why waste 1,000 lives working at something you can complete in one?

People say the journey is often better than the final destination... but I promise you: In this case it's not.

a reply to: Trachel

Your tongue in cheek reply does not change what yosako was reffering to. You are also using a bit of coersion. Trying to put the fear of 1000 mazes of suffering if they don't think like you.

You promise?

Well, if you promise it must be true.

a reply to: daskakik

Telling the truth =! instilling fear.

Until you're done refining yourself to a state of near-perfection, you'll keep incarnating. That's just how it goes.

Presenting a perspective =! wielding coercion.

There's zero arm twisting going on. I'm giving people some ideas to ponder.

Cheers, amigo!

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: Trachel

Your tongue in cheek reply does not change what yosako was reffering to. You are also using a bit of coersion. Trying to put the fear of 1000 mazes of suffering if they don't think like you.

You promise? Well, if you promise it must be true.

Well that's called politics.