E-cigarettes around 95% less harmful than tobacco estimates landmark review

a reply to: Domo1

Agree .... except I can't call it that

I did try vapor e- cigs. I had purchased a decent one compared to the others in my price range. I tried a few different types of juice. But really it wasn't for me. I got a lot of headaches from it.
I also used to work with mental health clients that were heavy smokers. Since our area started upping the tax per pack, they switched. The problem, unlike a cigarette, they wouldn't stop. When a cigarette ends you put it down, but with vaping they just keep going. One had to be treated for nicotine poisoning.

The cost is over $10/pack here. I've been purchasing organic loose tobacco and rolling with filters and cadmium free papers. So it ends up around $1.50 /pack. It's my choice so don't give me crap.
But yes the study is interesting .... especially that percentage. That is suspiciously high.

a reply to: Tankgirl

You probably got headaches from being dehydrated. The ingredients are hydroscopic meaning they absorb water. It's not correct to say the vapor is just water vaper, but most of it is from absorbing water from the air and your body. If I press the button on my ecig, it will sizzle and let off a little vapor. When you blow directly on the coil it makes a cloud. So anyways if you ever try it again, drink plenty of fluids at first. I was doing RYO before ecigs too and I loved it but they killed my lungs.

The mental patients could puff on it all day if they just had a low nic juice. Most people don't use it until they're sick. It's actually kind of hard to do because you start to get nauseous first. That person obviously kept using it through the nausea which again, most normal ppl wouldn't do. Unless they just got nauseous and that was considered 'nicotine poisoning'.

Why is 95% safer suspiciously high? They're probably 99% safer. Cigs (any cigs) have thousands of chemicals you're inhaling, and hundreds (I think) which are carcinogens. With ecigs you might be inhaling around 50 chemicals/compounds and only a few are not so great. Of those few, we're talking tiny trace amounts that really aren't dangeous.

Like the formaldehyde bs. There's formaldehyde in the air we breathe but the propaganda pieces against ecigs don't mention that.

a reply to: BanTv

I do drink a lot of water. I always have. I get headaches from different triggers. Sometimes medication, perfumes, or just annoying people.

I pick apart a lot of research studies. Right now I have a thread on a medical issue. It's their methods that I question. I just tend to look past the surface and dig deeper into how they get to their conclusions. They aren't perfect. Sometimes their is bias depending on who does the studies. That's all. It was just a statement. I don't have time to analyze the study data right now. Maybe some other time.

a reply to: BanTv

I have to disagree with this bit of e-cig folklore.

How much water can a couple of mls of e-juice absorb? Spread that out over the course of a day and I say most people, who are not hypochondriacs, wouldn't notice a difference.

a reply to: daskakik

I get super thirsty if I puff a fair amount. Don't know why, mouth gets dry too.

originally posted by: Domo1
I get super thirsty if I puff a fair amount. Don't know why, mouth gets dry too.

That's probably where the myth comes from.

That would be topical. It wouldn't be because of overall dehydration.

a reply to: daskakik

Maybe. When I first started I noticed I was getting dehydrated though. Headache, bright pee (I'm almost always a clear pisser) and whatnot. Could be anything really. I do drink more fluids when I vape a lot now.

a reply to: daskakik

Hmmm fair point. Found this when I googled it. ecig forum

I think what we can agree on is that some people get headaches when they first start. Hell I'll still get a headache if I vape too much.

For a new user, I guess it could be detoxing from the other tobacco alkaloids/chemicals, getting used to the pg/vg (for whatever science-y reason), the flavorings not agreeing with the person, etc. I've never researched this in depth and I'm sure there's not even a definite answer.

originally posted by: Domo1
a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

However, e-cigarettes will never be as satisfying as a high quality cigarette nor cigar. We shouldn't pretend that vaping will replace them as a reasult.

You're doing it wrong. My Kayfun V4 on an SX Mini M Class in temp mode (or 1.2 Ω) is better than any cigarette I've ever tried.

I don't know, people for thousands of years, including myself, have enjoyed smoking things, as in actual smoke. There is something satisfying in the strength of it.

It is less healthy, for sure, and I am always happy when I see my heavy smoker friends switch to vaping.

Just on my end, while I can enjoy vaping, it has never been the same.

originally posted by: supermarket2012

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14
I am all for harm reduction, and vaping is better for one's health than smoking real tobacco. I quit tobacco, after being a heavy smoker.

However, e-cigarettes will never be as satisfying as a high quality cigarette nor cigar. We shouldn't pretend that vaping will replace them as a reasult.

I can't say I've ever once heard anyone say that vaping will completely replace smoking, although I'm not sure it won't. It is only a matter of time before some REALLY solid, concrete evidence comes out that vaping is a MUCH, MUCH safer alternative to smoking cigarettes (take the article/science in this thread itself as an example), and I think within a few generations, vapers will probably outnumber smokers.

Smoking itself won't be around forever. Humans have been around for 200,000 years, in our current form, and smoking is relatively new when you consider our history. Not only is it new, but it is responsible for a HUGE percentage of diseases and death. Smoking cigarettes DIRECTLY causes cancer, and many other diseases.

Many people smoke *only* because they can't quit. 9 out of 10 of these people would be able to quit with vaping. Once the general public knows this, and the science on e-cigs is established, it is only a matter of time.....not to mention by then, the technology will be lightyears ahead of where it is right now.

I remember when I first tried an e-cig, back in 2009....it was an ENTIRELY different world back then. The flavors were dull at best, nasty at worst, the vapor was thin, the devices were weak, so much has changed in such a short period of time. In fact, a "breakthrough" happens in the world of vaping every 3-6 months that changes everything. Right now, for around $50, a person can get a 40watt mod, a subohm tank, and really, REALLY good e-liquid that would BLOW the mind of someone who has never vaped. Even a year ago this wasn't possible.




Vaping definitely isn't going anywhere.....and the industry is nearly DOUBLING in profits every YEAR. I see a new vape shop open up in my area almost every 3 months, it is INSANE. When I started years back, most people hadn't even heard of e-cigs yet. Now, I run into fellow vapers everywhere I go.


I for one am glad. I will be happy the day vapers outnumber smokers, for the health of ourselves, our children, and future generations.

I get your general drift, and agree with you that it is a better alternative than tobacco hands down, both for first-hand and second-hand smokers. It's most definitely better for people who are addicted to nicotine.

Maybe it will become more prominent than cigarettes, and eventually smoking die out. I'm not so sure though. People like to smoke things, and in much of the world LOTS of people smoke. As recently as 2010 50% of Chinese males smoked.

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: biggilo

I quit smoking the old fashioned way

Good for you.
But that doesn't give you the right to bag people who are trying to quite using an alternative method , learn some understanding .
Some odious woman ? , do you know her ? , or is she odious merely because she's a vaper ?

Where's the understanding from the vapers? None there isn't any, they only care about themselves and their own habit. Yes, odious woman, vaping in hospital, only pure scum would even think it is OK.

a reply to: biggilo

Well the vaporer is told that all they are exhaling is water vapor so they act accordingly.

The anti-vapor crowd finds a study saying that it also includes vocs and fine particles and react accordingly.

I'm, sure vaping will be banned in certain areas soon and all indoor areas eventually.

a reply to: daskakik

originally posted by: soulpowertothendegree
a reply to: Domo1

Sure, until 10 years from now and they find out that the vapors cause cancer too.

Scientists have been testing vaping since about 2007. It is not new and I don't forsee any surprises.

It will be 3 years in October for me. Completely clear lung x ray. No morning cough.

There is nothing in it that causes cancer. 3 ingredients, none are carcinogens. Maybe 10 years ago some from china were found to have extra ingredients, but the testing is harsher now and most are american or UK made juices. I buy locally or from a company in the UK called Totally Wicked.

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: biggilo

Well the vaporer is told that all they are exhaling is water vapor so they act accordingly.

The anti-vapor crowd finds a study saying that it also includes vocs and fine particles and react accordingly.

I'm, sure vaping will be banned in certain areas soon and all indoor areas eventually.

Vocs? And particles of what? You can't make something new from what didn't exist to begin with. The nicotene gets absorbed by the vaper's system. The water vaper that comes out could only have 2 food grade ingredients in it, in tiny amounts if any.

None of these ingredients cause cancer. As a vaper I often ask for 'heavy VG', vegetable glycerine, as the PG can irritate my allergies a bit, but I am taking 99.99999999999999% of this into my lungs with maybe .000000000000001% coming out.

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
To me, it's just a fad.

Everyone wants to look cool using the newest futuristic gadget.

And no, the people at my place of employment have NOT been told they have to vape with the smokers. (I'm part of management myself) I see the odd one here or there vape in the nearby alley, on a park bench across the street, or right on the sidewalk. No one ever has told them not to, and management hasn't had any complaints about these people who vape.

Yet there continue to be a cadre of vape users who, after switching to elaborate and expensive vape "rigs" continue to sit inside the smoking shack and belittle the smokers offhandedly.

I'm not opposed to the technology, and I'm not opposed to people doing it -- I hate the subculture and the superiority that the people who vape seem to have.

I even will admit that I buy disposable vape pens at the gas station when I use rental cars.

It certainly can't be any worse for your health, but I do know that vapor hurts my lungs much more than cigarette smoke. I feel like I chain smoked an entire pack from every vape unit (from cheap to $100 rigs) I've tried. I have no idea how those vape people develop leather lungs if it's just water.

We get it -- it's cool, futuristic and hip...just please don't talk down to me in a condescending way, and don't try and recruit into your cult unless I inquire first!

Cool, futuristic and hip? A fad? That is just nonsense, at least for me. I had hit rock bottom. I knew cigarettes were going to kill me. I had been smoking since I was 14. Was at just a little over a pack a day. I was so determined, it took me about a week and a half to fully switch over, after I found something other than the cigalike and a few reliable batteries. It will be 3 years in October. This minimization is a little insulting.

a reply to: reldra

Oh really? Totally Wicked? Gee, um I trust it and feel better already!

a reply to: soulpowertothendegree
That has to be the worst logical fallacy I've ever read.