Rebels in Ukraine's Donetsk plan referendum on joining Russia

So this is what is being reported today. I can't say it is unexpected.

Leaders of the self-proclaimed "Donetsk People's Republic" are planning to hold a referendum on seceding from Ukraine and joining Russia, the Donetsk-based Ostrov news agency reported Wednesday.

The referendum is scheduled to be held in two to four weeks after the Oct. 18 local elections, said the news agency.

The Russian proxy war continues...

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a reply to: TheChrome

No doubt the yes vote has already been decided in Moscow........

originally posted by: Aloysius the Gaul
a reply to: TheChrome

No doubt the yes vote has already been decided in Moscow........

Ha! The ballot most likely has a Yes, and Yes box to check.

a reply to: TheChrome

And het questions will be:

Indicate one of the following:

Would you like to join Russia?
Would you like to be part of the Russian Federation?


Like the Crimean ballot "choices"

No. here is how the voting will take place. There will be two choices. Yes or no,but if you choose no they willask you to go into a booth afterwars to sign a paper stating you are a traitor and will be immediatly shot after signing your confession.

a reply to: TheChrome

NATO just warned the Separatists and Russia that any further land grabs are not going to be tolerated.


NATO warns pro-Russia rebels against more Ukraine land grabs

Even better - Apparently Russia is going to give people in Donbas Russian citizenship.

Donbass citizens to become Russians

While this present numerous problems the biggest one is going to be the vote for the changes in the Ukraine constitution that gives this province some self determination.

You have to be a Ukrainian citizen to vote.

I wonder what else Russia is going to do to undermine the situation in further violation of minsk / UN charter / international law.

Well, as the separatists have spent the last year depopulating the Donetsk region, you can be pretty certain what the outcome will be! Prior to the meddling by Russia, the demographics of the eastern part of Ukraine had a majority of Ukrainian origin.

The separatists are probably confident that they would win a referendum now and are ready to welcome more ethic Russians into all those empty houses.

Question - Will Putin be stupid enough to allow this to happen. The millstone of Crimea's annexation will be around the neck of Russia for a generation, or more.

a reply to: TheChrome

Rebels in Ukraine's Donetsk plan referendum on joining Russia

10 to 1 says if they have a referendum and vote to join Russia, the US will say Russia annexed or sized the region, but I don't really expect such a referendum to even get off the ground co the US will definitely pull out all stops to put an end to such hinious and democratic action.

Such action will not be tolerated by the US for one single minute ...... unless they conduct it and do the counting ....... well then, that's different.

Is this a pro-NWO or an anti-NWO forum ? You can't get more NWO than the actual "puppet" regime of Kiev. There has been no "land grab" yet. Crimea has been about 95 % russian since 200 years. It's the idiotic Krushev who changed the border in the 1950'. If not, Crimea would never have been "ukranian". Crimea is about as "ukranian" as Finland. Russians had been waiting to go back to Russia since that border change. Repeating all the propaganda of western TV will not change this.
As for the East of Ukraine, I believe Putin would prefer if it stayed in Ukraine, so it can have an influence on the ukranian elections. If not, it could become a buffer country, like Bielorussia. This would be the best for everybody, including Ukrainians, who would then not have a country split between them and Russians.

But then again, people in Ukraine are so dumb, that if they get real independence one day, they will throw it in the garbage the next day, to join the European Union and disappear as an independent country.

a reply to: TheChrome

So this is what is being reported today. I can't say it is unexpected.

So it is a bad thing that they are organising a referendum?

originally posted by: Aloysius the Gaul
a reply to: TheChrome

And het questions will be:

Indicate one of the following:

Would you like to join Russia?
Would you like to be part of the Russian Federation?


Like the Crimean ballot "choices"

What do you mean like Crimean ballot "choices"?

Choice 1: Do you support the reunification of Crimea with Russia with all the rights of the federal subject of the Russian Federation?

Choice 2: Do you support the restoration of the Constitution of the Republic of Crimea in 1992 and the status of the Crimea as part of Ukraine?[65]

Are these not two opposite choices?

Why are you suggesting that both choices were the same?

What is up with that?

a reply to: SerialDrilla

So it is a bad thing that they are organising a referendum?

It could be...it all depends on what Putin's next move is.

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

What possible upcoming "Putin move" could make it a bad thing in your opinion?

a reply to: SerialDrilla

Are these not two opposite choices?

Why are you suggesting that both choices were the same?

What is up with that?

Where is their choice to stay with Ukraine?

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

Choice 2: Do you support the restoration of the Constitution of the Republic of Crimea in 1992 and the status of the Crimea as part of Ukraine?

I thought it was right there. Is it not?

I mean why would you even contest this? You can read right? And this after I pointed out that there obviously were two completely opposite choices, and qouted them both.

Again I ask, what is up with that.

a reply to: SerialDrilla

What possible upcoming "Putin move" could make it a bad thing in your opinion?

I don't know...say trying to take any land from Ukraine, as he did in Georgia.

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

And what does that have to do with the referendum specifically?

a reply to: SerialDrilla

I thought it was right there. Is it not?

Nope...

At first glance, the second option seems to offer the prospects of the peninsula remaining within Ukraine.

But the 1992 national blueprint - which was adopted soon after the collapse of the Soviet Union and then quickly abolished by the young post-Soviet Ukrainian state - is far from doing that.

This foresees giving Crimea all the qualities of an independent entity within Ukraine - but with the broad right to determine its own path and choose relations with whom it wants - including Russia.

With the pro-Russian assembly already saying it wants to return Crimea to Russia, this second option only offers a slightly longer route to shifting the peninsula back under Russian control, analysts say.

www.huffingtonpost.com...

Here this is even better...

Ex-insurgent leader Igor Girkin ('Strelkov') has admitted in a recent Russian TV interview that the March 2014 Crimean referendum was forced through by Russian occupation forces and received almost no local support.

Which actually showed when the vote was done, and thanks to Russia we saw the true numbers of the outcome.

In an interview on the ‘Polit-Ring TV show on Russia's NeuroMirTV earlier this week, Girkin, who was present throughout the seizure of Crimea before playing a leading role in the Russian insurgency in east Ukraine, admitted that the whole referendum was only possible thanks to the presence of Russian troops.

uatoday.tv...

So no matter what you checked you were still going to become part of Russia.