Surprise! Multiple Investigations of Planned Parenthood Show No Wrong Doing

a reply to: vor78

Of course it's not going to just go away. I imagine that many on the right will just pretend like the investigation wasn't good enough like they do with climategate, but that is their problem. The rest of the country is just going to move on to something else.

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

Planned Parenthood. That's who everyone wants to defund and shut down. They're the ones so many want to see in court or in prison.

Not me BH. I support most all of their activities. Selling baby parts is against the law.

You can claim they never do it, how would you even know?

ETA: The government told you so?

originally posted by: windword

originally posted by: Bluntone22

originally posted by: darkbake

originally posted by: Bluntone22
Would now be a good time to look at these laws and change them?

The current laws are helping the advancement of scientific research into diseases like Alzheimers and Parkinsons. Many Republicans voted for them back in the early 90's.

Your jumping to conclusions.
I'm not against abortions or research. I am against killing an 8 month old fetus.
Everybody is refusing to even talk about a compromise.

Are you talking about US law?

Why do you think a woman would want an abortion at 8 months along? Why, do you think, a doctor would agree to perform such a late term and risky abortion?

In Doe vs Bolton, SCOTUS ruled that women can have abortions up to the 9th month for a broad definition of 'health.'

George Tiller and Kermit Gosnell performed late term abortions, and there are other doctors like them.

[T]he medical judgment may be exercised in the light of all factors --physical, emotional, psychological, familial, and the woman's age -- relevant to the wellbeing of the patient. All these factors may relate to health. This allows the attending physician the room he needs to make his best medical judgment.

supreme.justia.com...

a reply to: intrptr

Because you don't prove a negative. You prove an affirmative. So in effect, you are misusing proof here with your post. One proves someone BROKE the law, not that they aren't breaking the law.

originally posted by: Simmderdown
From the Politico story:

"HHS has gotten re-affirmations from government researchers and government-funded researchers that their tissue procurement is done in accordance with the tissue laws. And it got assurances from the companies that provide that fetal tissue to researchers at NIH and FDA that they are obtaining the fetal tissue and organs in compliance with federal laws, the letter says."

Really?

Feds: "We received complaints that you violated a regulation/law."

Corp: "Of course we didnt!".

Feds: "Oh ok no problem, sorry for the inconvenience"

lol what a joke

I'm so glad verbal assurance it all that is needed. I can't wait for government to start taking assurances from private businesses that they are following all legal and regulatory requirements. The next time they show up at my business' doorstep we'll be sure to assure the USDA, OSHA, FDA, NLRB, CVB, APHIS, DOT, EPA, etc that things are just fine. Thanks for coming by, no need to inspect. Sorry to waste your time!

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

Planned Parenthood. That's who everyone wants to defund and shut down. They're the ones so many want to see in court or in prison.

Not me BH. I support most all of their activities. Selling baby parts is against the law.

You can claim they never do it, how would you even know?

ETA: The government told you so?

You're playing with words.

It is illegal to sell human body parts, but PP does not "sell" them. They donate the tissue and receive "compensation" for their time, labor materials, etc.

One is illegal, the other is not.

originally posted by: intrptr
Selling baby parts is against the law.

You can claim they never do it, how would you even know?

I'm not claiming that. My claim is that there is no indication (according to the full-length video I watched, not according to the government) that PP broke the law. I SUSPECT that no one in PP does it. I have no reason to suspect them. But someone is going to have to FIND that to change my mind.

a reply to: Teikiatsu

George Tiller and Kermit Gosnell performed late term abortions, and there are other doctors like them.

Kermit Gosnell was operating illegally. George Tiller was not, and didn't deserve to be gunned down in cold blood while attending Sunday services at his church. George Tiller was a hero who saved many a woman's life.

In Doe vs Bolton, SCOTUS ruled that women can have abortions up to the 9th month for a broad definition of 'health.'

Would you deny a woman, whose life was at risk because of fetal distress, an abortion, even though her fetus has little to no chance of survival, little lone a pain free existence for its short life?

Doctors don't give abortions to women 9 months along because they're mad at their "baby daddy". They're done to save the life of the mother, when there is no hope for the fetus to have an existence that is "compatible with life".

In cases where the fetus is healthy, and the mother's life is at risk, every effort is made to save the fetus, not kill it, usually by C-Section.

a reply to: introvert

You're playing with words.

It is illegal to sell human body parts, but PP does not "sell" them. They donate the tissue and receive "compensation" for their time, labor materials, etc.

Now who's playing with words?

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Some will, yes. But there's two ways you can handle this situation. You can give them the hearings they want, even if its a dog and pony show, and shut down a good portion of it, or you can sit back, say 'sorry, you just have to believe what we say and deal with it' and let the anger fester on what is a very hot political issue.

The former would seem preferable, would it not?

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

originally posted by: intrptr
Selling baby parts is against the law.

You can claim they never do it, how would you even know?

I'm not claiming that.

Enough, two step. I'm out.

originally posted by: enlightenedservant

originally posted by: Stuship
a reply to: ~Lucidity

Women who have abortions have a disconnect from the reality that they are committing murder. 1,000,000 babies were aborted last year, and 4,000,000 were born in America. Out of the million there were likely women who had multiple abortions. We would usually call those people sociopaths or psychopaths, at minimum they would be called serial killers. I personally would never be with a women who's had an abortion, because she doesn't value life. When I'm old she wouldn't have any problem pulling the plug on me.

Just curious, but should people have that same logic when it comes to soldiers?

What, are 1 out of every 4 soldier's mothers authorizing their children to be killed while they are sleeping or otherwise defenseless?

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: Teikiatsu

George Tiller and Kermit Gosnell performed late term abortions, and there are other doctors like them.

Kermit Gosnell was operating illegally. George Tiller was not, and didn't deserve to be gunned down in cold blood while attending Sunday services at his church. George Tiller was a hero who saved many a woman's life.

George Tiller kept a third-rate dental school loser on staff to rubber-stamp any woman's description of emotional or mental stress.

I won't deny he performed justifiable late term abortions for women who may have been severely injured or even killed by the delivery process, but he also murdered children who's only fault was a mother who could not handle the responsibility of having a child. I'd use many words to describe him, 'hero' is not one of them.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: introvert

You're playing with words.

It is illegal to sell human body parts, but PP does not "sell" them. They donate the tissue and receive "compensation" for their time, labor materials, etc.

Now who's playing with words?

How is this any different than donations and operating cost compensations for harvested adult kidneys' brains, lungs, livers, etc., for research or for transplants?

a reply to: Teikiatsu

but he also murdered children who's only fault was a mother who could not handle the responsibility of having a child. I'd use many words to describe him, 'hero' is not one of them.

You have absolutely no proof of that. Your accusations are unfounded and rooted in ignorance.

a reply to: windword

The intaglio "Cash" considerations make all the difference in the world.

You have to understand that the market that PP served is now profitable due to ACA. This is just a billion $ aggressive take over.

originally posted by: windword

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: introvert

You're playing with words.

It is illegal to sell human body parts, but PP does not "sell" them. They donate the tissue and receive "compensation" for their time, labor materials, etc.

Now who's playing with words?

How is this any different than donations and operating cost compensations for harvested adult kidneys' brains, lungs, livers, etc., for research or for transplants?

Adults aren't euthanized to harvest organs?

a reply to: intrptr

My father had a living will and had an DNR on file with the hospital. So when he had his last stroke, they did nothing to assist him. He went into a coma. They deprived him of basic nutritional needs, while giving him a slow, but lethal, morphine drip.

My mother also had a DNR, so when she choked on a pill, and was rushed to the hospital, they did nothing but ease her pain with a slow, but lethal morphine drip.

Both my parents' organs were harvested upon death.

If an abortion is going to happen, I see no reason not to allow for the donation of those fetal remains for science and medical progress. I don't any difference in the process that we use for adult organ and tissue donation.

originally posted by: intrptr
Adults aren't euthanized to harvest organs?

Neither are fetuses. They are already dead. And regardless if the tissue is donated or not, they were going to die anyway. They are not "euthanized to harvest organs", they are aborted at the woman's request. The donation of the tissue is a separate issue.

But you knew that already.