Feds limit research on marijuana for medical use

a reply to: Krazysh0t

You know what? F' em!

If they don't want to work towards legalization then I say oh well, F off then.

I've actually enjoyed not paying taxes on the good herb for the past 25 years.

originally posted by: Chrisfishenstein

originally posted by: TrappedPrincess

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: TrappedPrincess

Yea, I've been seriously considering doing this as well. I just need to do my research into which companies look the most promising. Got any suggestions on companies by any chance?

GW pharmaceuticals is the only one I have seen on multiple lists but it is already above $100 a share and is an established company. So the beginning investor isn't going to find their fortune their unless they invest BIG time but it is still not bad as a longterm kind of growth savings account.

Stevia Corp has been referred to as the wild card by one list. Oh I'll just post the link I have and that is a good place to start.

Hot pot stocks to watch

Just remember, the more people who buy the stock you are invested in makes it go up in price....Just sayin

No need to hide secrets from your ATS brothers and sisters! Thanks for the linky poo!

No problem man, I'm all about sharing the love and yes the more people who put faith in these companies the better they will do.

"Kenny, we have a plan to get you out of jail but your not gonna like it"

"What...what is it?"

"Were gonna sell weed"

"YES YES, GO, GO SELL IT HURRY!!!"

A timeless classic right that and can never go wrong with early Chappelle.

originally posted by: snypwsd
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Of course they will limit it... because they don't want proof saying that Marijuana is safe and you can't die from it. Unlike their loved alcohol and tobacco.....

The funny thing is that the tobacco industry is actually ready for the plant to be legalized. It's a wonder why they aren't backing legislation to get it there with actual lobbying money though...

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: snypwsd
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Of course they will limit it... because they don't want proof saying that Marijuana is safe and you can't die from it. Unlike their loved alcohol and tobacco.....

The funny thing is that the tobacco industry is actually ready for the plant to be legalized. It's a wonder why they aren't backing legislation to get it there with actual lobbying money though...

I never thought of that! That is a REALLY good point!

Skoal herb....Man I wouldn't be surprised one bit if big tobacco played a huuuuge role in this....Of course nothing to back that up AT ALL, but makes perfect sense in every way!

It's addictive? About as much as Advil. Im guessing the money spent is trying some ludicrous way to say its more addictive than it really is though.

Anything to keep the drug war cogs moving.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: snypwsd
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Of course they will limit it... because they don't want proof saying that Marijuana is safe and you can't die from it. Unlike their loved alcohol and tobacco.....

The funny thing is that the tobacco industry is actually ready for the plant to be legalized. It's a wonder why they aren't backing legislation to get it there with actual lobbying money though...

It is probaly just a matter of business logistics really, dollars=cents so to speak. Look at it like this, they are already established mega corporations right. So you know they have the inside track on industry news and happenings. More than likely they KNOW that it will be legalized eventually so why spend their own money to push it through? They are already making billions with what they have so no need to spend money to rush the process.

At that level of business ethics every penny matters and you don't just throw it away so they will wait patiently and focus on their own infrastructure of cultivating, harvesting and distribution. Let the little guys foot the bill for getting the laws where they need to be.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

What really surprises me is not the blatant hypocrisy that the government displays here, but the "meh" reaction to this that the majority of citizens seem to simply accept.

Let's look at the big picture - just in the last 24-48hrs they (FDA) have approved the release of a female viagra pill (that no-ones ever heard of and should be right down low on the list of things government and big-pharma push onto the population) AND despite fears over it's side effects and lack of proper testing.......and on the other hand the federal government imposes research limitations on medical Marijuana benefits.

Surely that's a conspiracy right there?

Insane backwardsassed policies is to blame for the current government lateral thinking limitations which has led to a failed war of drugs

a reply to: Chrisfishenstein

Will Big Tobacco become Big Marijuana?

Tobacco companies for generations have talked privately about getting into the weed business.

This past summer, researchers poring through more than 80 million pages of previously secret tobacco industry documents found that Big Tobacco has long had interest in pot.

"Since at least the 1970s, tobacco companies have been interested in marijuana and marijuana legalization as both a potential and a rival product," researchers Rachel Ann Barry, Heikki Hiilamo and Stanton Glantz wrote in a June 2014 paper published in the Milbank Quarterly, which focuses on population health and health policy. "As public opinion shifted and governments began relaxing laws pertaining to marijuana criminalization, the tobacco companies modified their corporate planning strategies to prepare for future consumer demand.

"In many ways, the marijuana market of 2014 resembles the tobacco market before 1880, before cigarettes were mass produced using mechanization and marketed using national brands and modern mass media," they wrote. "Legalizing marijuana opens the market to major corporations, including tobacco companies, which have the financial resources, product design technology to optimize puff-by-puff delivery of a psychoactive drug (nicotine), marketing muscle, and political clout to transform the marijuana market."

It's certainly been discussed. Though as a caveat:

Today, spokesmen for Altria Group (MO) and R.J. Reynolds (RAI) said their companies have no plans to enter the legal pot marketplace. Altria is the new name for Philip Morris.

"We continually evaluate opportunities for portfolio enhancement but focus our efforts on companies and products designed to meet the preferences of adult tobacco consumers and companies where we feel we could add value," said Richard Smith of RJR. "None of Reynolds American's operating companies is evaluating entering the U.S. market with commercial brands of marijuana."

Jeffrey Friedland, chief executive of the international cannabis investment and development company INTIVA, said it's unlikely tobacco companies ever seriously considered marijuana as a product. The tobacco documents archive, turned over to the public following the 1998 national tobacco settlement, show that cigarette companies periodically discussed marijuana as both a potential threat and possible product, including combining pot with menthol cigarettes.

So I guess it's really who you believe. Tobacco companies aren't above lying to maintain their secrets. So it's not like I trust their words here or anything, but then again we aren't seeing any monetary action originating from them. So maybe they are telling the truth. I guess time will tell.

Of course they will, anything that helps anybody must be monitored, controlled and scrutinized, population control and all lol.

a reply to: Sublimecraft

I want to make it clear that the article title is a tad misleading. None of the things discussed in the OP are new policies by any means. The article is really just an informative one regarding why obtaining research money for marijuana is so damn tough and discusses existing issues why. I'm pretty sure the DEA would get a ton of heat if they tried to impose NEW rules that make it hard to obtain research money due to the overwhelming support of medical marijuana in this country.

a reply to: Sublimecraft

just in the last 24-48hrs they (FDA) have approved the release of a female viagra pill (that no-ones ever heard of and should be right down low on the list of things government and big-pharma push onto the population) AND despite fears over it's side effects and lack of proper testing

Side effects? Like you can't drink alcohol while on them or your blood pressure could drop to where you faint....LOL

Not to mention it is a DAILY pill...So if you want this as a woman you have to stop drinking ladies!

It is an absolute joke what gets passed through....You are spot on man! Whoever pays the money, FDA says yep it is safe for people...Who needs testing? Just the weed industry because we weren't paid off yet....Absolute joke!

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Since the 70's.....That is depressing really....Means they made barely any, if any at all, progress on helping this get pushed through...

Looks like it is up to USSSSSSS!!!! Start the petition guys, let's do this!

I just had a thought about the timing of all of this. Ask younger generations how they feel about cigarettes vs Cannabis and most will lean towards the green. It is no secret that tobacco use among younger people is starting to wind down as more and more research has been put into exposing the dangers. A lot of people have moved into vaping as an alternative to good ol fashioned cancer sticks.

Could it be possible that big tobacco has either seen this coming or even just now realizing the trends in public sentiment? It would not be crazy to think either is the case. So basically as one cash crop begins to fade out what do you do? You start setting up to capitalize on the incoming trends. I mean hell I can see that so you better believe if I was a CEO of a mega Corp I would be setting up for the future myself.

This is a perfect example of why so many don't trust our government. Conspiracy theorists are born of these kinds of issues, where they see as clear as day that our government does not care about us. When you finally realize that they don't care about you, then all these conspiracies like 9/11 starts to sound believable. George Carlin was right!

a reply to: Krazysh0t

I dont trust the tobacco industry at all. I would bet their money goes to lobbies
against legalization.

Krazy you and I dont agree on alot here at ATS but I applaud you and your effort
to keep this issue in the forefront. S&F every time you do.
A lot more Conservatives are pro than you would suspect.
Keep it up sir!

a reply to: TrappedPrincess
Hmmm.... Interesting.

Does this mean that big tobacco created gangsta rap in the 90's?

Does snoop dog work for big tobacco?

Hmmmm...

originally posted by: FinalCountdown
a reply to: TrappedPrincess
Hmmm.... Interesting.

Does this mean that big tobacco created gangsta rap in the 90's?

Does snoop dog work for big tobacco?

Hmmmm...

Straight outta tobacco brother!

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Feds limit research on marijuana for medical use

At least their not just experimenting anymore
and it's not like everyone else has to follow suit.

a reply to: nfflhome

Oh I believe this. Something like 80% of the country agrees with medical marijuana and like 52% think it should totally be legalized. That HAS to include conservatives in that mix as well. This issue has already extended past partisanship. The only ones still fighting the partisan battle on this issue are the idiots we've elected to office.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

The only ones still fighting the partisan battle on this issue are the idiots we've elected to office.

Thanks 'Merica'.....We are our own worst enemy...

Petition started yet? I want to sign it