Mentally Ill In America

I can somewhat understand you, brother. But you are a stronger man than me.

Much respect!



soulwaxer

a reply to: wantsome


As Hefficide said, the lack of understanding as a big issue. I'm lucky since my jobs came from word of mouth and I was put to work ASAP. But I have my own issues and if it came to an interview i'd never get a job. Before I meet anyone let alone an prospective employer, the panic sets in and my mouth does not work, I worry about how to greet someone, is it 'hello' or the casual 'how you doin?' but then when I speak I sound like I'm trying to talk with a mouthful of cake or sometimes I can't talk at all and just give a thumbs up.

When you have a mental illness sometimes people automatically assume you are weird or suspect and don't realize who you are and why you are like that. Some employers are fantastic and will offer people like yourself jobs and Yoda bless them, but that doesn't extend to every business. However there are some services that bridge the gap between menatlly ill folk and employment, but not as much as needed, and if governments were serious about getting people into employment then they'd provide more services.

originally posted by: Hefficide
Also it doesn't help that media has led people to believe in the lie that the system is easily exploited...

It is....those with larceny in their hearts seem to easily get all kinds of assistance.
People who use and abuse the system. Neighbors and friends.

Those the most in need, those who don't have someone to help them with the forms and procedures, they don't get what they need.
Sadly, there is a stigma against those different than we are...be it physical, metal or emotional.
Law-abiding citizens who fall through the cracks.

A close friend of mine didn't get the disability he needed...and why? The Workman's Comp person who did the test asserted my friend was trying hard enough!!!! WTF?!?!?!
How many of us know someone who was also treated wrongly and lost out of what they should receive???

a reply to: wantsome

I feel for you, I truly do. All I can say is that it can't rain all the time. Making a change on paper of who your doctor is couldn't hurt. If they don't understand or you don't feel comfortable with them you can always continue to visit your current doctor while you shuffle through the approved providers and find one the fits... or not. If nothing else you will have your current doctor to fall back on until someone at least equivalent if not better comes along. I would recommend getting your case and medical history on hand to give to any prospective doctor so that they will better understand what is going on. It's better than walking in and saying, "I'm schizophrenic, please help." and they will be far more likely to help. Doctors all work better the more they know about what is going on. Best of luck and let me know how it goes.

a reply to: wantsome

Hey, hang in there. I`ve read your other threads and I can find myself in to some extent. So I think, because what I know and what I experienced, that you do not have mental illness or better said, mental illness is just a invented term or word for what is happening to you.

If you or anyone else are interested in what I have to say and are open to all possibilites to find out the truth for yourself, you are welcome to reply. I will only give you pointers, not mislead you or anything like that. I can also share my story, if you want to and what worked for me. Finally it will be up to you whether or not to believe anything.

For starter, gathering knowledge is the most important thing so I urge you to read this article in full

www.cchrint.org...

As you can see, mental illness(and all the terms for particular illness) is nothing more than an elaborate assumption to explain the unknown human behaviour based on thousands similar cases. It cannot be scientificaly proven so there is no way to know for sure what it is, what causes it and how to cure it...It is just human arrogance to define sth. unexplainable or a misleading way to make profit.

IMPORTANT: not saying you should stop taking meds as I think you should, if that is making things easier for you right now and made it easier in the past. However, I think that the root of the problem is something else entirely and the symptoms are most likely to reappear if you stop taking meds because the root/cause of it is still there. So until the cause is dealt with, it will always be there.

I will say no more for now...if you are still interested in gathering knowledge let me know...

Must watch short film for anyone that has been diagnosed with any kind of "Mental Illness".

Many believe this is the best speech about psychiatry ever written.

Professor of Psychology, Dr. Jeffrey Schaler describes psychiatry as a pseudo Science...

Mental illness refers to something that a person does; real disease refers to something that a person has. The diagnosis of mental illness is always a weapon ~ Dr. Jeffrey Schaler

What do you think psychiatrists would do if Jesus were alive today? Or Buddha? Or Mohammed? Ba-da-bing! Right into a mental hospital, injected with drugs to stop their crazy beliefs and speech. Psychiatrists today are the true Grand Inquisitors. They would crucify the holy men and women of yesterday in an instant. Transcript for Video

According to Huxley, the goal is to produce "a kind of painless concentration camp for entire societies so that people will in fact have their liberties taken away ... but ... will be distracted from any desire to rebel by propaganda or brainwashing ... enhanced by pharmacological methods."

Among these pharmaceuticals we now can recognize Ritalin, Prozac and Viagra, which healthy men commonly use for performance. Doctors are elite drug dealers designated to addict, distract and sedate society.

The "Quiet War" Against Humanity

“Biological psychiatry is a total fraud.” — Fred Baughman,

quoted by Dr. Timothy Scott, America Fooled: The Truth about Antidepressants, Antipsychotics and How We’ve Been Deceived

Psychiatry is a Total Fraud

Not only is psychology without merit, but psychiatry defrauds the public as well. Medical psychiatrists have been trying for years to validate their biochemical theory of mental illness, but “after decades of research that has yielded not a single definitive biological marker connecting brain dysfunction to mental disorders,” we are letting doctors evaluate and treat us as if such diseases exist.

To put it more loosely, making a diagnosis of mental illness is “a near mindless act where you can speculate whatever you want and never be ‘wrong’ (if any new or unrelated symptoms emerge just add another diagnosis).”

In fact, there is not a single scientific study that shows prescription psychotropic drug users suffer from an objective, confirmable abnormality of the brain.

Psychology and Psychiatry: Rotten to the Core

Dr. Niall McLaren, an Australian practicing psychiatrist for 22 years, explains what is wrong with the psychiatric profession: That it cannot/will not take criticism, for fear the entire model of biological psychiatry will unravel. That there is no science to psychiatric diagnoses, no brain based diseases. And that psychiatry only pushes mental disorders as biological disease in order to convince people to take psychiatric drugs, causing a host of dangerous side effects.

What's Wrong with Psychiatry?

“There are no objective tests in psychiatry-no X-ray, laboratory, or exam finding that says definitively that someone does or does not have a mental disorder.”
— Allen Frances, Former DSM-IV Task Force Chairman

Source

“…modern psychiatry has yet to convincingly prove the genetic/biologic cause of any single mental illness…Patients [have] been diagnosed with ‘chemical imbalances’ despite the fact that no test exists to support such a claim, and…there is no real conception of what a correct chemical balance would look like.” — Dr. David Kaiser, psychiatrist

Source

“All psychiatrists have in common that when they are caught on camera or on microphone, they cower and admit that there are no such things as chemical imbalances/diseases, or examinations or tests for them. What they do in practice, lying in every instance, abrogating [revoking] the informed consent right of every patient and poisoning them in the name of ‘treatment’ is nothing short of criminal.” — Dr Fred Baughman Jr., Pediatric Neurologist

Source

“Psychiatry makes unproven claims that depression, bipolar illness, anxiety, alcoholism and a host of other disorders are in fact primarily biologic and probably genetic in origin…This kind of faith in science and progress is staggering, not to mention naïve and perhaps delusional.”

— Dr. David Kaiser, psychiatrist

Source

“In short, the whole business of creating psychiatric categories of ‘disease,’ formalizing them with consensus, and subsequently ascribing diagnostic codes to them, which in turn leads to their use for insurance billing, is nothing but an extended racket furnishing psychiatry a pseudo-scientific aura. The perpetrators are, of course, feeding at the public trough.”
— Dr. Thomas Dorman, internist and member of the Royal College of Physicians of the UK

Source

a reply to: Murgatroid

So, are you implying that mentally ill people are possessed by the devil and/or some kind of demons?

I guess we better scrap all the fMRI machines that show brain activity, along with all the medications that seem to stop people from hearing voices.

I guess if we just pray for them, perhaps they'll be cured of their mental ailments?

originally posted by: ladyvalkyrie
a reply to: KAOStheory

There is no cure.

I appreciate your zeal for homeopathic remedies, but sometimes there's nothing that can be done.

1, I never said it's a "cure."
2, I don't see how a sound is a "homeopathic remedy."
It simply does the same thing the drugs to - change your brainwaves - but with zero side effects. If Xanax "helps," then so do the frequencies, that simple.

a reply to: wantsome

Hi wantsome, I was wondering, is there any way you might be able to describe or tell us a little bit about what the reoccurring mental illness consists of? Is it voices of people you know or don't know that you hear, or is it something similar to situational hallucination where in any given situation you sort of wind up creating illusions or storylines that do not exist.. I'm having trouble understanding what exactly it is you have experienced up until know; it sounds as though it is the same "psychosis" reoccurring time and time again.. if you're able to share a few details, that sure would be interesting, but if you chose not to, I do understand..

One word of advice for you, if you are able to sleep in normal fashion, then keep up the good work with the jobs.. The most important thing for you and your future is to maintain employment: it is the one things that keeps you social, keeps you in normal routine and habit, helping to ease away the difficulties-- Also: maintain the best DIET possible: what people consume contributes to their wellness, mental or otherwise.. CArrot Carrot, Apple,Apple--CLEAN WHOLE FOODS will 100% contribute to your improvement.

a reply to: MystikMushroom

I guess if we just pray for them, perhaps they'll be cured of their mental ailments?

In my experiences Mush you might just be shocked.
But I have to back that play. No way around it!

a reply to: DontTreadOnMe

Documented fraud is statistically really rare. Think about it DTOM... in one sentence you claim rampant fraud, in the next you mention an anecdote of a friend who was denied for BS.

The anecdote of denial is the rule and not the exception. It is hard to get most forms of help. One might get temporary, immediate SNAP assistance in a real bind, but that help comes with a very clear message - lying to get it is a Federal offense and they will prosecute you and make you pay the money back... with unfathomable penalties added in.

Here is a hypothetical. Someone gets sick. They can't work. They rent an apartment and have a nice enough car, but still owe a few years in payments on the car.

This person hangs on, via savings, for a short while.

Then, as the well starts to run dry, they start applying for help. After all, it's easy to get! The TV says so. Only it ain't. And they lose everything because all they qualified for was a pittance in SNAP food benefits.

With no income, they can't pay their rent and end up evicted. Reluctantly somebody takes the person in. A parent, ex spouse, friend, sibling, aunt, uncle... whoever. Somebody who has nice enough stuff.

This person also realizes that the sick person needs a car... so the nice person swallows hard and agrees to pay the car payment for awhile. The sick person has doctors appointments, lawyer appointments, evaluations, and all of the things that social services demands they do - and they need transportation. No viable public transportation system covers it all or at all.

Now... imagine you're the next door neighbor of that nice person who took the sick person in. What do you see?

You see a well off neighbor, taking in a person with a nice car who is... WHAT? Getting benefits just for sitting on their ass??? WHILE LIVING IN THAT NICE HOUSE???

And, boom, all of the wrong assumptions and conclusions lead to misinformation.

a reply to: Hefficide

I'm not making wrong assumptions here....I know my neighbors are collecting and there's nothing wrong with them to be on disability. One of them even went back to work long enough to get a promotion to up their benefits...then claimed the medical condition again.
Certain kinds of injuries lend themselves to fraudulent claims....I'll be there is no accurate way to know how many of them there are.

And, not sure what was meant by the friend with the BS denial????
His claim was righteous....the doctor was the problem.


For every one of these criminal claims....how many legit claims don't get honored...people with real needs who are denied.

Wow! These are fabulous references.. thank you for posting all of the information and all of the links;

originally posted by: Murgatroid
Must watch short film for anyone that has been diagnosed with any kind of "Mental Illness".

Many believe this is the best speech about psychiatry ever written.

Professor of Psychology, Dr. Jeffrey Schaler describes psychiatry as a pseudo Science...

Mental illness refers to something that a person does; real disease refers to something that a person has. The diagnosis of mental illness is always a weapon ~ Dr. Jeffrey Schaler

What do you think psychiatrists would do if Jesus were alive today? Or Buddha? Or Mohammed? Ba-da-bing! Right into a mental hospital, injected with drugs to stop their crazy beliefs and speech. Psychiatrists today are the true Grand Inquisitors. They would crucify the holy men and women of yesterday in an instant. Transcript for Video

According to Huxley, the goal is to produce "a kind of painless concentration camp for entire societies so that people will in fact have their liberties taken away ... but ... will be distracted from any desire to rebel by propaganda or brainwashing ... enhanced by pharmacological methods."

Among these pharmaceuticals we now can recognize Ritalin, Prozac and Viagra, which healthy men commonly use for performance. Doctors are elite drug dealers designated to addict, distract and sedate society.

The "Quiet War" Against Humanity

“Biological psychiatry is a total fraud.” — Fred Baughman,

quoted by Dr. Timothy Scott, America Fooled: The Truth about Antidepressants, Antipsychotics and How We’ve Been Deceived

Psychiatry is a Total Fraud

Not only is psychology without merit, but psychiatry defrauds the public as well. Medical psychiatrists have been trying for years to validate their biochemical theory of mental illness, but “after decades of research that has yielded not a single definitive biological marker connecting brain dysfunction to mental disorders,” we are letting doctors evaluate and treat us as if such diseases exist.

To put it more loosely, making a diagnosis of mental illness is “a near mindless act where you can speculate whatever you want and never be ‘wrong’ (if any new or unrelated symptoms emerge just add another diagnosis).”

In fact, there is not a single scientific study that shows prescription psychotropic drug users suffer from an objective, confirmable abnormality of the brain.

Psychology and Psychiatry: Rotten to the Core

Dr. Niall McLaren, an Australian practicing psychiatrist for 22 years, explains what is wrong with the psychiatric profession: That it cannot/will not take criticism, for fear the entire model of biological psychiatry will unravel. That there is no science to psychiatric diagnoses, no brain based diseases. And that psychiatry only pushes mental disorders as biological disease in order to convince people to take psychiatric drugs, causing a host of dangerous side effects.

What's Wrong with Psychiatry?

“There are no objective tests in psychiatry-no X-ray, laboratory, or exam finding that says definitively that someone does or does not have a mental disorder.”
— Allen Frances, Former DSM-IV Task Force Chairman

Source

“…modern psychiatry has yet to convincingly prove the genetic/biologic cause of any single mental illness…Patients [have] been diagnosed with ‘chemical imbalances’ despite the fact that no test exists to support such a claim, and…there is no real conception of what a correct chemical balance would look like.” — Dr. David Kaiser, psychiatrist

Source

“All psychiatrists have in common that when they are caught on camera or on microphone, they cower and admit that there are no such things as chemical imbalances/diseases, or examinations or tests for them. What they do in practice, lying in every instance, abrogating [revoking] the informed consent right of every patient and poisoning them in the name of ‘treatment’ is nothing short of criminal.” — Dr Fred Baughman Jr., Pediatric Neurologist

Source

“Psychiatry makes unproven claims that depression, bipolar illness, anxiety, alcoholism and a host of other disorders are in fact primarily biologic and probably genetic in origin…This kind of faith in science and progress is staggering, not to mention naïve and perhaps delusional.”

— Dr. David Kaiser, psychiatrist

Source

“In short, the whole business of creating psychiatric categories of ‘disease,’ formalizing them with consensus, and subsequently ascribing diagnostic codes to them, which in turn leads to their use for insurance billing, is nothing but an extended racket furnishing psychiatry a pseudo-scientific aura. The perpetrators are, of course, feeding at the public trough.”
— Dr. Thomas Dorman, internist and member of the Royal College of Physicians of the UK

Source

Wow! Fabulous references... thank you for posting the links and all of the information; I am going to agree with you, Psychiatry is a hoax..
See Satellite Terrorism: the government can produce hallucinations and voices with all of the modern satellite technology;

a reply to: DontTreadOnMe

I wasn't really suggesting you were making wrong assumptions, per say - more that appearances, from the outside, may not be accurate. That nice house? Might be a relatives, or heading into foreclosure. People, for better or for worse, still equate solvency with their worth as a person. This means that the neighbors could be far worse off than they let on, and are just trying to save face.

Most of my cousins are substantially older than me. My mother was the youngest of 12 siblings - 8 or 9 years younger than the next youngest ( I have my own thoughts on this. I assume she is not actually the legal child of my "grandmother" - but probably was born out of wedlock to one of her elder "siblings" and the family covered it up. It was the 40's ).

At any rate... One of my cousins, about the same age as my mother, did fake an injury to get disability. A back injury. He worked for the city dump as a bulldozer driver and hated it, so he went for the scam.

It took him four or five years of faking to finally get approved. During that time his wife had to support them on her income and they lost most everything. When he got approved it was for peanuts, which didn't help much. Add to that the fact that the Gov had people watching him?

Long story short... all of those years spent on the scam... and he got a few months in benefits before he was dropped because the Gov took pictures of him working on his truck.

He spent years on the con and got almost nothing for it.

Your edit really speaks to what I am trying to say... Most people are wrongly denied for benefits, over and over again. It's not just anecdote - it's policy. Even the literature that Social Security mails out is all based around "After your first denial..." advice. They know that they deny almost 100% of claims automatically the first two times - at the least. They know that almost all cases are denied until a Judge is involved, usually after the third or fourth denial.

ETA: Just reread things, and apologies... when I said "friend denied for BS" - I didn't mean the friend was BS'ing. I meant the system denied him for BS reasons.

My mother committed suicide in 1970 because she couldnt take life anymore.

Today, most people have varying degrees of mental illness, and the drugs and doctors either maintain the status quo, or make it worse.

I flew over the cucoos nest years ago.

ONE MAIN CURE FOR MENTAL IS LOVE...IS GOD.

a reply to: Murgatroid

Sorry, but I call BS. I was 'normal' for years. Got a BA, worked for 16 years straight, never needing a dime in any kind of assistance. But all the stress and small traumas in life added up and added up until a point in 2011 when steroids + sleep deprivation = mania (no history of Bipolar I, but there I was feeling/acting like I was on 10 lbs of crack). I went to the ER for help, they treated me like a drug addict (never done drugs) and I was attacked and choked by an EMT, which resulted in severe PTSD.

I know what it's like to be 'normal'. And now I know what it's like to be FUBAR. Trust me, chemical imbalances are very real and very physical. When I'm overreacting to stimuli due to the PTSD...I feel like an idiot. Logically I KNOW that the flashing light isn't a threat. I KNOW that the loud noise isn't going to hurt me. I KNOW that I'm not going to die from being in a crowded Wal Mart. But the chemicals and hormones my brain is dumping makes me feel that way.

Now....I will concede that mental illness is over diagnosed, over treated, and that people with mild cases could benefit from diet change and exercise, spiritual support, etc. rather than drugs. But... OP and myself don't fall into that category. Unfortunately for us we fall under the "this sh*t is real" category.

im in the same boat. i tried volunteering for running sound effects for plays, but the da** doctor in a 2012 hospitalization ruined my neck by mixing meds that caused me to hurt when i have to sit certain ways or walk and carry things.

ive applied for jobs with no answer. my problem started in my 30s. scared the living hell out of me when it started.
im willing to help share techniques to silence them over time. PM me anytime..

originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: wantsome

I think you should get a mad dog lawyer and sue both the UAW and Chrysler. They discriminated and rail roaded you out of your job. They will settle out of court anyway....

This is good advice and you should consider it. The longer you wait the more likely the cut off date/expiration date will pass. You have only so much time to file a case/claim (sue someone) it varies from state to state.

And learn to handle with these devils (blood sucking lawyers) most will want up to 80% of whatever you win. Deal with these bastards and negotiate at 50%.

Good luck.

originally posted by: tony9802

originally posted by: Murgatroid
Must watch short film for anyone that has been diagnosed with any kind of "Mental Illness".

Many believe this is the best speech about psychiatry ever written.

Professor of Psychology, Dr. Jeffrey Schaler describes psychiatry as a pseudo Science...

Mental illness refers to something that a person does; real disease refers to something that a person has. The diagnosis of mental illness is always a weapon ~ Dr. Jeffrey Schaler

What do you think psychiatrists would do if Jesus were alive today? Or Buddha? Or Mohammed? Ba-da-bing! Right into a mental hospital, injected with drugs to stop their crazy beliefs and speech. Psychiatrists today are the true Grand Inquisitors. They would crucify the holy men and women of yesterday in an instant. Transcript for Video

According to Huxley, the goal is to produce "a kind of painless concentration camp for entire societies so that people will in fact have their liberties taken away ... but ... will be distracted from any desire to rebel by propaganda or brainwashing ... enhanced by pharmacological methods."

Among these pharmaceuticals we now can recognize Ritalin, Prozac and Viagra, which healthy men commonly use for performance. Doctors are elite drug dealers designated to addict, distract and sedate society.

The "Quiet War" Against Humanity

“Biological psychiatry is a total fraud.” — Fred Baughman,

quoted by Dr. Timothy Scott, America Fooled: The Truth about Antidepressants, Antipsychotics and How We’ve Been Deceived

Psychiatry is a Total Fraud

Not only is psychology without merit, but psychiatry defrauds the public as well. Medical psychiatrists have been trying for years to validate their biochemical theory of mental illness, but “after decades of research that has yielded not a single definitive biological marker connecting brain dysfunction to mental disorders,” we are letting doctors evaluate and treat us as if such diseases exist.

To put it more loosely, making a diagnosis of mental illness is “a near mindless act where you can speculate whatever you want and never be ‘wrong’ (if any new or unrelated symptoms emerge just add another diagnosis).”

In fact, there is not a single scientific study that shows prescription psychotropic drug users suffer from an objective, confirmable abnormality of the brain.

Psychology and Psychiatry: Rotten to the Core

Dr. Niall McLaren, an Australian practicing psychiatrist for 22 years, explains what is wrong with the psychiatric profession: That it cannot/will not take criticism, for fear the entire model of biological psychiatry will unravel. That there is no science to psychiatric diagnoses, no brain based diseases. And that psychiatry only pushes mental disorders as biological disease in order to convince people to take psychiatric drugs, causing a host of dangerous side effects.

What's Wrong with Psychiatry?

“There are no objective tests in psychiatry-no X-ray, laboratory, or exam finding that says definitively that someone does or does not have a mental disorder.”
— Allen Frances, Former DSM-IV Task Force Chairman

Source

“…modern psychiatry has yet to convincingly prove the genetic/biologic cause of any single mental illness…Patients [have] been diagnosed with ‘chemical imbalances’ despite the fact that no test exists to support such a claim, and…there is no real conception of what a correct chemical balance would look like.” — Dr. David Kaiser, psychiatrist

Source

“All psychiatrists have in common that when they are caught on camera or on microphone, they cower and admit that there are no such things as chemical imbalances/diseases, or examinations or tests for them. What they do in practice, lying in every instance, abrogating [revoking] the informed consent right of every patient and poisoning them in the name of ‘treatment’ is nothing short of criminal.” — Dr Fred Baughman Jr., Pediatric Neurologist

Source

“Psychiatry makes unproven claims that depression, bipolar illness, anxiety, alcoholism and a host of other disorders are in fact primarily biologic and probably genetic in origin…This kind of faith in science and progress is staggering, not to mention naïve and perhaps delusional.”

— Dr. David Kaiser, psychiatrist

Source

“In short, the whole business of creating psychiatric categories of ‘disease,’ formalizing them with consensus, and subsequently ascribing diagnostic codes to them, which in turn leads to their use for insurance billing, is nothing but an extended racket furnishing psychiatry a pseudo-scientific aura. The perpetrators are, of course, feeding at the public trough.”
— Dr. Thomas Dorman, internist and member of the Royal College of Physicians of the UK

Source

Wow! Fabulous references... thank you for posting the links and all of the information; I am going to agree with you, Psychiatry is a hoax..
See Satellite Terrorism: the government can produce hallucinations and voices with all of the modern satellite technology;

Dr Schalers speech is a fantastic indictment.of psychiatrists.