Could abortion be considered a double standard?

a reply to: WanderingSage

originally posted by: WanderingSage
Describe what you mean by dogmatic perspective?

dogmatic
or dogmatical
[dawg-mat-ik, dog-]

adjective
1.
relating to or of the nature of a dogma or dogmas or any strong set of principles concerning faith, morals, etc., as those laid down by a church; doctrinal:

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In this case I would also offer that personal negative experiences can lead to dogmatic thinking.

a reply to: Hefficide

Okay. Well I do have Christian morals, but I've been trying not to bring it up. Okay then if the woman has the right for the abortion regardless of the man then like I said earlier a man should not have ANY responsibilities to a child he does not want.

originally posted by: WanderingSage
a reply to: muse7

I wasn't bringing up my Christianity, but all lives are precious and should be protected. That's the Christian belief. Way to really put words in someone's mouth

There have been women who honored the fathers request to deliver the baby, then sign it over to the father.

He chose the right woman. He chose a woman that shared his believe.

You do realize that no matter the legal paperwork, that woman can still be held responsible for that child. If the father runs into financial difficulty, he can sue the mother for child support. And win.

originally posted by: WanderingSage
a reply to: Hefficide

Okay. Well I do have Christian morals, but I've been trying not to bring it up. Okay then if the woman has the right for the abortion regardless of the man then like I said earlier a man should not have ANY responsibilities to a child he does not want.

Blame the child?

a reply to: Hefficide

The message, if I am understanding it...

The message I'm understanding is that some sixteen-year-olds never grow up.

I suspect the OP was more traumatized than he knowns by the personal experience he recounts. Such things can psychologically stunt a person, especially if they occur in the judgemental, stigmatizing environment of a strictly religious community. His partner in crime (as he sees her) had her abortion and got away heart-whole and scot-free, while he's been carrying the can of guilt and regret ever since. Hell, he even went and joined up — a classic response to this kind of situation since time immemorial.

Understand, then, what he is really asking for. He wants her to receive her fair share of the punishment.

Hence his desire to see her

stripped of her self-determination for a period of nine months, simply to afford the option of fatherhood? And then, after birth, the female is forced to exist under the dictum of the male partner, even if he opts not to exercise said option of fatherhood to any degree?

And that's not all.

Originally posted by Wandering Sage

When you light the fuse to a firecracker are you surprised when it goes off? They made a choice like we all do, but no one should be able to shirk their responsibilities. Also there's adoption.

Condemn two young people to misery and massively increase their chances of failure in life, bring an unwanted child into the world and maybe give it up for adoption, the modern equivalent of exposing the brat on a hillside.

Ah, the bitter fruits of vengeance.

This thread was authored from the bottom a deep well of pain. There is nothing rational about it.

a reply to: Annee

Well the child gets blame and killed in an abortion. So what's the difference.

a reply to: WanderingSage

And that is the truth always at the bottom of the "mens rights" and "right to life" arguments... the ultimate reality that the issue is not equity nor compassion, but anger over not being in absolute control of others.

a reply to: WanderingSage

Well the child gets blame and killed in an abortion.

A fetus is not blamed, nor is it a child.

a reply to: Astyanax

I joined up to take care of my wife and step child. Thanks for the failed attempt at psychologically profiling me. Really good laugh. You're ridiculous. But good try. "A" for effort. Also your idea of being a parent is a little dark and dismal. Maybe you have some unresolved issues that need to be fixed.

a reply to: Phage

Then why is the murder of pregnant woman at any stage two counts of murder?

originally posted by: Bone75

There are other benefits as well. I knew a guy who committed suicide before his child was born, and the only way to prove paternity was through his dad's DNA. Otherwise that child would not have gotten the social security he gets now.

In that mess right now.

Father died before he could sign birth record. Not married. No legal rights to any hospital blood samples.

Had grandfather's DNA tested. Guess what. Not fathers biological dad. We did not tell him. We told him inconclusive.

The grandmother is psycho. Already tried to sue for custody of child. Has no legal standing.

Only other DNA is a half brother, who's mom doesn't want him to know.

a reply to: WanderingSage

Then why is the murder of pregnant woman at any stage two counts of murder?

It isn't. It's a matter of "enhanced sentencing."
In most cases it is to prevent someone from murdering a woman in order to prevent the birth of a child. Along the lines of a hate crime.

a reply to: Phage

Sources?

originally posted by: WanderingSage
a reply to: Phage

Sources?

Seriously?

a reply to: WanderingSage
nationalparalegal.edu...

a reply to: WanderingSage

I joined up to take care of my wife and step child. Thanks for the failed attempt at psychologically profiling me. Really good laugh. You're ridiculous. But good try. "A" for effort. Also your idea of being a parent is a little dark and dismal. Maybe you have some unresolved issues that need to be fixed.

I didn't write that post expecting you to do anything but repudiate it.

I'm trying to understand you, rather than simply dismiss your posts as hysterical nonsense or remonstrate with you as others have (quite rightly) done. You may not appreciate it — again, I wouldn't expect you to — but others will read my post, and perhaps they will not be so quick to condemn you along with your views.

I realize that it is not insight you are here for, but either validation or a fight. I'm afraid you won't get either from me.

a reply to: Annee

Yes seriously. That's some mumbo jumbo. It is 2 counts of murder and it's not to prevent "hate crime" or whatever was said.

a reply to: WanderingSage

I didn't say it was a hate crime. I said the concept of enhanced sentencing was similar.

How about a pre sex agreement . Both parties agree that the idea of sex is not for pregnancy and both agree if the woman gets pregnant its either abortion , or not , and one wont hold the other financially responsible .

a reply to: Astyanax

I'm afraid you are wrong. Not looking for validation or a fight. Looking to provoke thought as people should be doing on this site.