Proving the moon landing was a hoax - John Young is caught 'bare handed'.

a reply to: Phage

Lol he just digs hole after hole.

originally posted by: turbonium1
Here is 'the actual Apollo spacesuit', when pressurized..

Did you even bother to look at that spacesuit?

It is obviously not the Apollo Spacesuit!

Watch him as he walks in. He is walking like a robot, due to being in a pressurized spacesuit

pressurised to what pressure? Your lack of knowledge of physics and science lets you down again!

originally posted by: onebigmonkey

False. Prove otherwise.

Mythbusters jump at 66.66% speed is a near-perfect match to John Young's jump.

Mythbusters did not actually attempt to match Young's jump, but they almost matched it perfectly without even trying.

If they had wanted to match it, because you somehow think it isn't perfect enough, they would have no problem doing it. There is a fraction of a second difference between them, which would be expected anyway. That's because they are in harnesses, which suspend them, so it's not going to show us normal gravity.

And this is absolute proof.

originally posted by: onebigmonkey
Yes, because they were on the moon.

No, it is because the video was sped up too much, at 2x speed. Sped up correctly, it works perfectly.

Compare the Apollo 15-17 movements at 2x speed to Apollo 11's at 2x speed. So then you might get a clue - you'll find Apollo 11 astronauts moving at normal speed, and Apollo 15-17 astronauts moving at nearly warp speed - when they should be moving at the SAME speed...

Are you going to try and tell me that 'No, I think they move at the same speed', or will you finally give me an honest answer, for once?

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: onebigmonkey

False. Prove otherwise.

Mythbusters jump at 66.66% speed is a near-perfect match to John Young's jump.

No it is not, try actually watching it!

That's because they are in harnesses, which suspend them, so it's not going to show us normal gravity.

And this is absolute proof.

So now you claim the astronauts filmed on the moon were actually wearing a harness.... Your comments get sillier by the day!

No, it is because the video was sped up too much, at 2x speed. Sped up correctly, it works perfectly.

No it does not, try actually watching it!

Compare the Apollo 15-17 movements at 2x speed to Apollo 11's at 2x speed.

If you actually watched it you would see that they were at the same speed.

You refusal to accept reality is very disturbing.

I just came to glance at this thread, and people are still seriously saying that humans never went to the moon? It was a time of very great excitement and wonderment as well as proof of scientific know-how, and nobody knew that years later people would actually point to "proof" that the trips never happened - proof that would make Barnum turn over in his grave and bump into Bailey. We went, we explored, we came back, and in doing so added a huge chapter to the range of human accomplishment. The naysayers should realize that each and every one of their arguments/proofs/guesses have not held up under scrutiny, then appreciate that they've tried every angle to disprove the disprovable and failed, and finally acknowledge this human engineering achievement. It'll make you smile when you do. Humans went to the moon! How cool is that!

a reply to: turbonium1

Again prove your claim.

a reply to: turbonium1

So why would you think the USSR would have said anything about a hoax, if they were silent on JFK?

Because if enough people rejected the loan gunman theory, the trail would lead pretty quickly to Russia. On the other hand, no-one doubted either the USSR's or US's achievements in space because they were very easy to observe. Rocket launches are very easy to see. Orbiting spacecraft are readily visible from Earth. Real time radio conversations are easy to monitor. You have to shut your eyes and cover your ears to think that either space program was faked.

There was a time when getting online and surfing the Internet required basic science and engineering know-how, when computers had to be configured, and the right drivers loaded to interface the hardware with the software...and only the smarter people were able to make it to a forum to discuss and disagree.

Ignorance was lacking, it did not have to be denied within the forums, all the people on the boards had the basic knowledge to understand concepts and theories. They HAD to have knowledge, or they couldn't assemble the hardware, configure the operating system, load the drivers, set the ports and the interrupts, to even get to the Internet.

The stupid people couldn't get into the forums of true scientific discussion and dissemination of real knowledge.


Now ignorance abounds and grows. True conspiracies can't be found and discussed freely, because the uneducated are no longer locked out by the hardware and software issues preventing them from getting here and spouting their dribble.

Now, anyone with a dollar and a cookie can come in even if they don't have the common sense to change their own diaper.

Their mommy can buy them a computer with more computing power than any Apollo astronaut had in their entire spaceship, and they only have to be able to type a word to jump into the conversation. No intelligence needed.


I long for those days of yesteryear....

(to stay topical - yes we went to the Moon, people walked and jumped and wore gloves and kicked dust, picked up rocks, they rode around in rovers, and Shepard even struck a golf ball...and the OP needs to change his diapers and toss them in the pail instead of slinging the poo on the message boards)

originally posted by: turbonium1

So, because you believe that they filmed this in a vacuum, it leads you to a further belief - that the gloves (and suits) were pressurized....

This is a 'house of cards' type of argument. The first belief supports a second belief, and perhaps another belief, and so on. But, if the first belief is shown to be wrong, then there is nothing to support the rest of it, and it all comes crashing down...

problem for you is, every single footage Apollo lunar footage shows a vacuum..

and not to mention you have already conceded that it was filmed in a vacuum.

But as I've told you, dust cannot possibly be measured for speed, with any degree of accuracy, by watching dust clouds in Apollo videos. Dust is not an object. A dust particle is an object. Do you understand the very important difference? This video claims to be measuring dust. In fact, he is claiming that a dust 'cloud', which consists of thousands of individual dust particles, was measured accurately, by a random 'line' he plops as the 'apex' of the dust cloud, and he also plops a second random line, to where he thinks the apax now is, and measures the distance between his two lines over a specific time period.

you dont need to measure it, you can see the behaviour of the dust.. you can see the behaviour of a feather falling..

i dont expect someone of your "knowledge" to see what everyone else sees since you are "special"

p.s. you really are a fool.. so you think that dust kicked up will have two different apex's? and the guy doing the calculations also thinks so, and is using the two different apex's to calculate the specific time?? this is your understanding of what is happening??

Had to revise my post a bit, no point in giving you clues, better for you to demonstrate your complete incompetence on this subject by trying to explain a video of someone calculating local gravity with the distance between two apex's and the time taken.

To believe dust is measured in any way using a dust cloud, arbitrary 'apex' points, from crappy old video clips, is ludicrous. That's your main reason for believing they are in a vacuum, and it's also the main reason why you believe the astronauts are not moving/jumping in 66.66% normal speed.

House of cards, indeed.

house of cards?? you are confusing two things now.. your house of cards "argument" was regarding a vacuum not gravity.. and you have already previously conceded that it was filmed in a vacuum.. i dont need to re-argue this with you.

originally posted by: choos
response to turbonium1


p.s. you really are a fool..

That is really the only valid argument you can give the OP that he has the capability of addressing....or maybe not.

Usually fools don't believe they are fools...but I would ask him to prove he is not a fool before wasting any more time on evidence he cannot understand nor comprehend.

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: turbonium1

So why would you think the USSR would have said anything about a hoax, if they were silent on JFK?

Because if enough people rejected the loan gunman theory, the trail would lead pretty quickly to Russia.

That's bs..

The US government had told the American people that Oswald, and Oswald alone, was behind the assassination of the American president.

How can you claim "the trail would lead pretty quickly to Russia"?

The government already claimed to have absolute proof of Oswald shooting and killing JFK, right?

Many Americans didn't buy that story, from day one.

At least 50% of Americans rejected the lone nut story, .....but that is, er, um....just not "enough people"...

'Enough people' would need to be....hmm...about 65%, or 75%, or 99%, of the people, to you?

Anyway, you don't have 'enough' people, yet. But if there had been "enough people", it would make the US government change their whole story.

Your argument is..

The USSR stayed silent, because they knew that if they spoke out, it might cause "enough people" to reject the lone nut story. The USSR knew how many was "enough", to make the US government change their original story - which most people didn't believe, anyway - and blame the USSR for it, as retribution for speaking out. And every American would believe the entirely NEW official story, for some reason, and the USSR certainly didn't want that to happen!
So that's the reason the USSR said nothing about it.

Your argument is a total joke!


The US government cannot change their whole story by that point, because if they did, it would only make them look worse. They had already concluded that Oswald alone did it. They held up their 'iron-clad evidence', which proved Oswald alone did it, beyond any doubt.

Most Americans didn't buy their story.

Get it?

originally posted by: DJW001
On the other hand, no-one doubted either the USSR's or US's achievements in space because they were very easy to observe. Rocket launches are very easy to see. Orbiting spacecraft are readily visible from Earth. Real time radio conversations are easy to monitor. You have to shut your eyes and cover your ears to think that either space program was faked.

'Looky there, Joe!', Bubba shouts, as he points a finger to the starry skies above

'Where should I be looking, exactly, Bubba?'

'Look up in the sky, Joe. I'm pointing my finger 'to it!'

'Sorry, Bubba, I still don't know what you want me to see, way up there..is it a star, or something?'

'No, it's not a star. Look closer... you can't miss it!'

Moments later, Joe cries out 'I can see it, now, it's so obvious.'

Joe and Bubba had seen the Apollo 11 astronauts landing on the moon, back in '69. As many others did, too.

That's why we know it's genuine, because so many people have actually seen them land their little tinfoil miracle-craft floating gently down to the lunar surface!


Good thing we all know that, yes?

a reply to: choos

Still waiting on the proof.
Oh and calling others fools? shall we take a vote who the fool is in this thread?.

a reply to: turbonium1

How can you claim "the trail would lead pretty quickly to Russia"?

Oswald tried to defect to Russia, lived in Russia, married a Russian woman, campaigned for communist Cuba.... Nope, no connection there at all.

originally posted by: choos

problem for you is, every single footage Apollo lunar footage shows a vacuum..

you dont need to measure it, you can see the behaviour of the dust.. you can see the behaviour of a feather falling..

i dont expect someone of your "knowledge" to see what everyone else sees since you are "special"

p.s. you really are a fool.. so you think that dust kicked up will have two different apex's? and the guy doing the calculations also thinks so, and is using the two different apex's to calculate the specific time?? this is your understanding of what is happening??

Had to revise my post a bit, no point in giving you clues, better for you to demonstrate your complete incompetence on this subject by trying to explain a video of someone calculating local gravity with the distance between two apex's and the time taken.

The apexes of these dust clouds cannot be accurately measured, for the very same reasons I have repeatedly explained to you.

The dust behaves exactly the same way as dust behaves on Earth, because it WAS on Earth.

Your measurements are worthless.

An apex of a dust cloud, as shown in the Apollo footage, cannot be measured in any way. Same as measuring the apex of that dust cloud moments later is impossible. Thus, the speed of the dust you claim to have calculated from the apex points is worthless.

As for dust clouds having different apexes, I don't know what you mean. Dust clouds have different apexes on Earth, so what is your point here?

originally posted by: turbonium1

An apex of a dust cloud, as shown in the Apollo footage, cannot be measured in any way. Same as measuring the apex of that dust cloud moments later is impossible. Thus, the speed of the dust you claim to have calculated from the apex points is worthless.

As for dust clouds having different apexes, I don't know what you mean. Dust clouds have different apexes on Earth, so what is your point here?

my point here is to point out your ability (or should i say inability) to argue anything physics related..

given your post about using two apex points to calculate local gravity, need i say more?

a reply to: turbonium1

Still waiting on the promised footage and proof.
Asked many times now and you have had plenty of time so where is it?.

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: turbonium1

How can you claim "the trail would lead pretty quickly to Russia"?

Oswald tried to defect to Russia, lived in Russia, married a Russian woman, campaigned for communist Cuba.... Nope, no connection there at all.

So why was he allowed to go to Russia, in the midst of the 'Cold War', first of all?

And why was he, as an evil American, then allowed to ENTER Russia?

And why was he allowed to LIVE in Russia, and why was he even allowed to marry a Russian woman?

Why was he allowed to leave Russia, with a Russian wife?

Why was he, and his newlywed Russian wife, allowed back INTO America?


Imagine that in, say, WW2...

Americans battle Germans on the grounds of Europe, and in the skies.

Then, an American citizen is allowed to fly over into Germany, and the Germans allow him in, and allow him to live in Germany, and allow him to marry a German woman. They allow the newlyweds to leave Germany, and to fly to America. The US authorities welcome him, and his new German wife, back into America, and to live happily together.

Don't think so!


True enemies don't behave like that, ever.

Do you now get the point?


The US didn't blame the USSR for it. They said it was fully investigated, and they found Oswald alone did it.

Why would the USSR fear being blamed for it by the US, later on? The US had already 'proved' who did it, right?

The US allowed Oswald to go to Russia, and allowed him back in with a Russian wife. To blame the Russians for that won't work, since the US allowed the whole thing, right?

The US could not blame the USSR for covering it all up, afterwards, so blaming the USSR really couldn't hold up, right?


Excuses cannot hold up for you here, quite clearly.

a reply to: turbonium1

The US didn't blame the USSR for it. They said it was fully investigated, and they found Oswald alone did it.

What do you suppose would have happened if the United States government said that the Soviet Union murdered the popular American president? Any ideas? Do you think the public would be cool with that?

Why would the USSR fear being blamed for it by the US, later on? The US had already 'proved' who did it, right?

Because it would give the United States a green light to nuke Moscow while they still had a slight advantage in the arms race. So, rather than start WWIII, the government pinned it on a lone lunatic. Or do you believe the Official Story?

originally posted by: DJW001

What do you suppose would have happened if the United States government said that the Soviet Union murdered the popular American president? Any ideas? Do you think the public would be cool with that?

Why would the American public believe it, when they didn't even buy the 'lone nut' story, which HAD been given?

They can't just change the whole story. The Warren Report had already noted how Oswald had married a Russian woman, while in Russia, being he was known to be a Communist sympathizer...

The Warren Report didn't connect him to Russia, whatsoever, so your entire argument is just nonsense.


You want to believe there was a perfectly reasonable excuse for why the USSR didn't say anything about it, since you're so sure that the USSR would have spoken out to the world about any hoaxed moon landings!!

It shows us they were NOT actually great enemies, in fact. We were told so, and we believed it. And most people still believe it, to this very day.

But it is not true.

The Cold War was made up, we are the fools who believe it, even now...

Americans didn't realize the USSR made nothing of the JFK problem, because it was never brought up in the mainstream media. Americans had lost trust in their own government. So who really cared what their enemy thought about it, at the time?

But now, we can see it, quite clearly.

originally posted by: DJW001
Because it would give the United States a green light to nuke Moscow while they still had a slight advantage in the arms race. So, rather than start WWIII, the government pinned it on a lone lunatic. Or do you believe the Official Story?

You seem to forget that most Americans didn't believe the official 'lone nut' story, right from day one.

The USSR was not blamed for anything, it was all Oswald's doing.


You suggest the USSR was so terrified of agreeing with over half the Americans who lost trust in their government. That would cause even more Americans to lose trust in their government. This is referred to as 'enough people'

'Enough people' is not what the USSR wants, of course.

The USSR knew how many people was 'enough people'. Nobody else knows it, except for 'choos'!

And since the USSR knew how many was 'enough people', they also understood 'enough people' is a bad thing for them.

Yes, the USSR knew 'enough people' was when the US government would change their official 'lone nut' story, and blame the USSR for it, instead!

That would cause the US to nuke the USSR, as a result!

So the USSR said nothing about JFK, because of this!


Good one, really....

a reply to: turbonium1

Wow. Just wow. You really think that if the government announced that the KGB murdered JFK, the American people would have called BS? And just let it slide?

Edit to add: How old are you anyway? You are completely ignorant of anything that happened before about 2001.