Man offers $25,000 cash for Irrefutable Proof of Sandy Hook Shooting

a reply to: mOjOm

But if wrong, it really makes him look like an ass. He could have avoided all that by simply being direct about his challenge and acting a bit more professional about it.

Alright so here's the deal then. IF dude is wrong we'll let Seagull
slug the guy. Then after he wakes up, I'll slug him for let'n me down.
But if Seagull isn't satisfied and decides to slug me too. he better run
before I get up because it'll be on like donkey kong!

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Cuervo

This is the way do do that. Not by feeding the troll.
www.nshcf.org...

Yeah, but if you can make the troll pay for it, all the better.

Unfortunately, I doubt he has any intention of ever parting with his money, no matter what.

a reply to: Cuervo

How do you know he doesn't want to believe it?
What if he's try'n buy some proof so he can believe it?
Secretly, deep down inside, subconsciously or W/E?
All warm and fuzzy with feelings?

a reply to: randyvs

Did you check out his youtube channel?
Did you read his comments?

a reply to: Phage

I will now.

a reply to: mOjOm

I mean, I can't even prove that his theory isn't correct.

Because people like him have never ending definitions of "proof". When you meet his current requests he will move the goalposts and come up with some other reason, even if you took a list he wrote today, which had every single point why he thinks its fake and addressed each one.

He'd take your answer sheet and have a whole new host of reasons. We see it on the forum daily.


Even when you are trying to be reasonable and understanding with people, even accepting seeds of doubt and the possibility you are wrong, looking at it rationally yet coming to the same conclusion because of evidence alone, thats not good enough for some people.

a reply to: boncho

Ya I know. I'm still going to watch for an update tho.

I thought about this rationally for a second, and realized: If this guy sincerely has 25k to blow and truly believe this story is false, willing to part with the money to find out, all he has to do is use that money to go do some investigative journalism.

This isn't the 30s. People listen to investigative journalists, and even better, today simply stating you are a "blogger" is enough to get statements on the record.

Pay for travel, hotels, and hell, even greasing a few wheels on officials that might not like to speak about it, I am positive it would cost less than 25k to get an answer that was not only sufficient for himself but others who have questions on the subject.

Perhaps someone should ask why he doesnt do that on the Youtube channel he has trying to gain more views off peoples misery.

a reply to: boncho

By " People like him " you mean people who have a
different opinion from the one you deem righteous?

That's pretty ugly man.

a reply to: Phage

I'm convinced the guy sincerely believes he's right!
And he's sick of all the crap people are being spoon fed.
And people who took the blue pill but have insomnia.
He sees what I see really. People who care about the
families of Sandy Hook but the families of 911 that
want answers to their questions aren't popular so
to hell with them. They must be truthers? Do I
feel in my bones there's something wrong with
a lot of the events we see on hello T.V. today
damn right. And I also have serious questions about
others that just refuse to consider that which is
just as possible. Not all conspiracies are lame.
But if what you get by ear or sight only, you think
you can believe with malice? You are wrong.

a reply to: randyvs

Plus we're here on a conspiracy site for a reason. It's because we question the official story and reality to some degree. This is supposed to be a good thing when done for honest reasons. I think the guy believes he's right too. He's also willing to put up his own money to find out the truth. So I can't fault him for wanting to know for sure what happened rather than to just accept what he's being told. Even if he's wrong, if he really believes what he says, he's doing it and paying for it on his own. We're all wrong now and then too so I can't fault him for being wrong and wanting to find out for sure.

Some of the comments from people to him are BS too. There is no reason to say some of that stuff to him if he's being honest and just looking for answers.

a reply to: mOjOm

He says it's for real and he has the money. Even gives a couple examples as to why if it was in fact real it should be easy to prove.

His money is safe. If he has already decided it was "faked," there is no evidence on Earth that will convince him otherwise.

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: mOjOm

He says it's for real and he has the money. Even gives a couple examples as to why if it was in fact real it should be easy to prove.

His money is safe. If he has already decided it was "faked," there is no evidence on Earth that will convince him otherwise.

Well i'm a betting man and i tell you, after looking it over, I would bet against it being real, probably double down too.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: mOjOm

he might have a point.

Or not.

Curious, what did that "false flag" accomplish, exactly?

money.cnn.com...

as soon as the incident happened they were talking about assualt rifles etc, and the incident was used to tighten up gun laws, more restrictions etc

politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...

there was also a drill going on that day

leaksource.info...

Perhaps next time we can lay the dead kids out , you know , missing half their heads , just so we know it was real . People , kids died . Let them rest .

originally posted by: PLAYERONE01

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: mOjOm

He says it's for real and he has the money. Even gives a couple examples as to why if it was in fact real it should be easy to prove.

His money is safe. If he has already decided it was "faked," there is no evidence on Earth that will convince him otherwise.

Well i'm a betting man and i tell you, after looking it over, I would bet against it being real, probably double down too.

I would definitely take that bet... if I were the one who decides whether the evidence is good enough. That's what this ghoul is doing.

originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: boncho

By " People like him " you mean people who have a
different opinion from the one you deem righteous?

That's pretty ugly man.

People like him who offer up 25k but have nothing to prove his assertions. Who then ask someone who went through a horrific tragedy [he hasn't presented anything to think otherwise] to offer up the same thing just to counter his accusations.

People like him who claim to be willing to spend 25k to find the truth, but instead of doing a little investigative journalism which would for sure net him the answer, they post bullish!! on Youtube because, hey, whats getting a few more views on your crappy channel compared to actually getting to the bottom of something.

Please tell me it would cost you more than 25k in travel cost and hotel stays to simply go down to that city and politely ask people enough questions to find out whats really going on, just in case, you know, it actually happened.

How about giving people the benefit of the doubt for just a minute, and if he uncovers something in his time there, convincing himself first, he could easily convince everyone else later at a margin of the cost.

I know this because Jeremy Scahill, Judith Miller, Seymour Hersh, Woodward and Bernstein, and a bunch of others have done just that, and nothing is outside the bounds of blowing the lid off a story.

originally posted by: kellyjay

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: mOjOm

he might have a point.

Or not.

Curious, what did that "false flag" accomplish, exactly?

money.cnn.com...

as soon as the incident happened they were talking about assualt rifles etc, and the incident was used to tighten up gun laws, more restrictions etc

politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...

there was also a drill going on that day

leaksource.info...

I remember that. The drill was miles away in a different city. What does that prove? That they do drills on stuff that actually happens?

Does Drill = Murder... in your mind?

as soon as the incident happened they were talking about assualt rifles etc, and the incident was used to tighten up gun laws, more restrictions etc

Thats called politicizing a story. It happens on both sides, conservatives, democrats, everyone does it. That is admission of guilt now? Wow. In that case, conservatives are guilty of horrible atrocities and democrats are just as awful. War criminals, all of them. Every single one.

Politicizing a topic in the media = planned murder?

Holy $$$$

We better call Nuremburg they got some trials to hold.

a reply to: boncho

To be fair though. It's not just because there was a drill. It's because there is always a drill happening that same day and close by for some reason. I'd say it was a fluke once, but I can think of 3 myself. 7/7 subway bombing, Sandy Hook and Boston Bombing.

So there's that.

originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: boncho

To be fair though. It's not just because there was a drill. It's because there is always a drill happening that same day and close by for some reason. I'd say it was a fluke once, but I can think of 3 myself. 7/7 subway bombing, Sandy Hook and Boston Bombing.

So there's that.

There is also the possibility that increased chatter causes drills to be held around the same time that something happens.

Im not going to sit here and say that every time something happened when a drill coincidentally happened, that each instance was just another day.

I will say that just because you have one or more instances where something happened at the same time a drill did, it does not mean that for the rest of time... drill = planned catastrophe.

That is just horrible logic if you think so.

Not to mention, consider all the drills held where nothing of interest happens. You realize drills happen on the regular right? that means if you are taking names and crunching numbers, you are wrong most of the time. So much it could be a statistical anomaly that something happens during a drill.

Think with reason here.