Oxycontin Approved by FDA For use in Children as Young as 11

a reply to: Kali74

Try to get them to see a psychiatrist if your in the states, there are doctors all over prescribing suboxone. It's not any better, the psychiatrists are in big pharmas pocket, but it's a start and legal.
Once on it they can work on quitting without the whole stigma of methadone, which is evil and slowely walk away at there own pace.
Heroin is by far the scourge of humankind, nothing looks, tastes, feels as good after you use it and when you stop, hell.
I hope you can convince them, most addicts want to stop they just can't do it alone.

If I can be of any help in the future you can always pm me, I just came back after a long hiatus.
Good luck, AB

a reply to: Jakal26

Dentists do not RX OxyContin. You may be getting that confused (or not) with Oxycodone, which treats acute (or break-thru) pain.

The drug comes with a warning to anyone RX'd, and I'm certain any Dr. prescribing the drug would also warn the parents. Most likely any parent with a child suffering with chronic pain would be aware of the side effects already.

Would you feel the same way if the child (or adult) had diabetes and had to take medication every day. Medication with much worse side effects than we are discussing here (if taken as prescribed). I'm asking because chronic pain can kill too, and deserves to be controlled.

Unless you have woken up and gone to bed in moderate to severe pain every day of your life, for months or years, you would have no idea what the real value of pain medication really is to the person living it.

Again-no offense.

a reply to: RobinB022

Dentists do not RX OxyContin

Oh....trust me, they have.
Perhaps you should read the book that I linked in my initial comment in this thread.

....I agree with a lot of what you are saying, and am about to address it in another comment....but seen this and had to comment on solely that, first.

a reply to: AnteBellum

As a long time heroin user I can only say that anything to do with opium is wrong. Its an escape from whats really happening.

Whether that be physical or political, an addict has no care but for themselves and their next fix. Perfect way of reprogramming the useful, creative thinkers into zombie vegging morons. The very people that could change something are now shown to be the very ruin of society. Money. its the flow of humanity, the humanity created by a select few that were in the right place at the right time. Little do they know that right place right time BS was nothing but a trap and the true saviors will come to light.

IDK if any of that makes sense but I sure wish it did.

a reply to: iFloButta

As a long time heroin user I can only say that anything to do with opium is wrong. Its an escape from whats really happening.

An escape from Chronic pain is what OxyContin is prescribed for, any other way and it's just a drug. Opiates are not something anyone should ever want to take.

originally posted by: Jakal26
a reply to: RobinB022

Dentists do not RX OxyContin

Oh....trust me, they have.
Perhaps you should read the book that I linked in my initial comment in this thread.

....I agree with a lot of what you are saying, and am about to address it in another comment....but seen this and had to comment on solely that, first.

I stand corrected then, but dentists shouldn't be treating Chronic pain. The medication is not a perfect solution, and the prescribers are obviously not always the perfect solution either.

a reply to: RobinB022

but this thread isn't about the misuse of OxyContin, it's about the use of the medication being permitted (by FDA) in children as young as eleven for chronic pain.

I understand that. But you have to understand that "use" can often become "abuse" before one realizes it...It's essentially a side effect of opiate use. Actually, long term opiate use creates dependency.

Some kids have chronic pain and they would need strong medication (over time), because the body becomes tolerant to pain medications.

I understand that, and understand tolerance quite well also.

I don't like Perdue for other reasons, but I can't blame them for the deaths of people who took/take these medications in a manner they weren't prescribed for.

No, neither can I, really....but,

How can big Pharma be responsible for people who aren't taking their medications as prescribed.

Purdue knowingly marketed this pill with a "mechanical release mechanism" that they knew would be circumvented. How did they know? Read the book I linked, it's described in detail....but mainly, their experience [in the 80's] with what is now MScontin, in Europe.....I implore you to dig into that.

Why aren't addicts and abusers responsible, after all, it was their choice to take the medication in the first place.

They are responsible....but again, some were "hooked" early on and had little hope [or help] understanding or fixing the problem....again, use of opiates creates opiate dependency....that's a fact.

I've lost two brothers to drug abuse and overdose. I don't blame the drug/medication.

I am sorry to hear that and I have lost people near to me as well....Many of them actually. As I said before, I know of hundreds just in my surrounding area and knew well over 100 personally....I am not exaggerating the extent of the damage done by opiates to my community and others like it.
I don't blame the drugs...I blame those who push them for uses others than as a last resort for chronic/terminal pain....and they do push them and there are those making money pushing these onto the streets through "patients", and lots of them...Pill mills are big pharmas ways of getting some of this stuff onto the black market.....win win for the "establishment" (after all, big corps and government are "one" in the good ole U.S)

It sounds cold, but that's the way it is. People really have to learn personal responsibility and self discipline (at all times), but it's very important when taking medication. Taking these pills any other way than prescribed and they are no longer medication, but just drugs.

No, it's not about being "cold" or "feeling" anything here.
Fact is, even those "responsible" and "self disciplined" fall into the trap of opiate addiction....again, that is a fact not up for debate. Again, read the book I linked....detail is within.

Addicts and abusers make life more stressful for those of us who rely on pain medications because we truly have pain. It's pathetic that I can't be open with some people about my life because of the stigma and ignorance surrounding the medication I take.

I agree with this....and am sorry for you and others that experience long term chronic pain. I myself have fibromyalgia and some other back problems, so I know a bit about chronic and long term, constant pain.
I have found "alternative methods" of relieving my pain, as opiates nearly ruined my life entirely....but I can't discuss that here (T&C and all).....I too wish I could be open but there is still stigma and ignorance regarding my "methods" as well....but that is changing...
Maybe when it does, the reliance on opiates could be reduced, for some.....(another here in the thread linked an article about a drop in overdoses in states where "that which we don't speak of" became legal or decriminalized)...

Yes, I understand that a lot of people take these drugs for the wrong reasons.. but that doesn't make the medication wrong or bad, it makes those people wrong.

Again, I partially agree. Especially in regards to previously established abusers of narcotics......but some of those "wrong" people, they got caught up in the cycle of addiction before they realized it...and it needs to be addressed, any time this drug is spoke of...and not just this drug. I mentioned roxicet (and there are others) that are just as misused and have just as much "abuse potential".....

Opiates are something many are ignorant to.....and that is part of the reason some get hooked. Big pharma likes to play down the risks of getting hooked (long term opiate use literally changes your brain, permanently)....

Please don't take offense to this, as I mean none.

I took none...and mean none as well. After all, we're just discussing it. Differing opinions are a good thing.

a reply to: RobinB022

but dentists shouldn't be treating Chronic pain.

Purdue wasn't sending drug reps to dentists attempting to market it as a drug for "chronic pain"...
Purdue claimed it was for "moderate to severe" pain...and downplayed the addiction/misuse potential....criminally! And got a f'n slap on the wrist ($600 is f'n chump change to them).....

a reply to: iFloButta

If you look through to one of my early threads back in 2010 I did a write up on Ibogane, a cure for addiction, all addiction.
It's been several years but back then it was considered a miracle cure that was banned in the USA by lobbyists paid for by big pharma.

Right after all this suboxone hit the market replacing methadone and putting money back in doctors pockets and taking it away from the clinics, which were horrible also at the least.

The whole system is so horribly corrupt and in the end we have a miracle drug when administered and used properly turned into the worlds most missused, overused, illegally used, detriment to society ever created.

I for one won't say all opiates are bad just as in the same breath 'guns kill people'. But due to all the issues surrounding these meds I often wonder if we'd be better off without them. Then I remember a child patient that was helped and my mind again spins in circles.

Is it simply valid we should sacrifice the children in REAL need of these types of meds for all those that sidestep the system and misuse them?
I can't answer this question, especially if that child in need was one of my own.

originally posted by: RobinB022
a reply to: iFloButta

As a long time heroin user I can only say that anything to do with opium is wrong. Its an escape from whats really happening.

An escape from Chronic pain is what OxyContin is prescribed for, any other way and it's just a drug. Opiates are not something anyone should ever want to take.

Agreed 100%. but how many people have taken opium/oxy and found themselves trapped? How many have not had the knowledge of what it can really do to you?
Meth, Mdma, coc aine, marijuana, 2cb, dmt, dxm, and all other variants of drugs are just drugs. Use once or twice and you can stop and forget. Opium is forever, opium is that drug, that devil for means of a better word that will suck you into 3 options... JAIL, DEATH, or if your strong enough LIFE. the life you experience after going through an opiate addiction is like being reborn.
It is nothing compared to alcohol or meth or crack. After a week of dying through withdrawal you realize their is life beyond this suffering, and that life is something you only experienced as a baby. bliss. the knowledge that you can restart and become something. all those other drugs are for pu$$ies looking for a good time. Even those AA meetings, crap.
Opium is the drug that owns souls, no matter how pure. Opium needs to be eradicated, or strictly regulated for patients that really need to it. Like the old or dying.

iFloButta

a reply to: reldra

*From your source article: " Duragesic patch, which releases fentanyl" is currently approved. So a child is dying or has a reaction to fentanyl (a STRONG opiod stronger than moraphine itself)...have cancer or worse...and cant tolerate anything such as those...you disapprove of the alternative Oxycontin in such cases?

You are aware as such some BABIES are given strong pain suppressors or pain medication as well? And if so and can't get relief or contra-indications and reactions to those prove the possible use of Oxy-contin a possible successful alternative...you have a problem with that?

Your source says under control and in some instances...and Im sure...some STRONG and monitored requirements and applications. So whats your problem with dying and suffering children who may receive possible relief?

Youve taken it out of context.

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I've been hesitant to comment on this thread. Because there certainly is a stigma that is attached to users of opiates. Whether it's for recreational purposes or for medicinal purposes, the stigma triumphs and anyone on an opiate perpetually is considered a drug seeker. In a lot of my political leanings, I tend to be a conservative. But on the issue of drugs, especially opiates, I am a complete liberal. I believe there should be places that one can go to receive Safe doses and be closely monitored.

People make the argument that only yourself is responsible for what you do with your body. That argument is especially made in pro-choice circles. Well, just like abortions, if I want to use an opioid, it should be my business and no one else's. Opiates, alcohol, marijuana, is all the same. It should be the individuals choice.

Make everyone dependent on society so they cannot challenge it or the government managing the society. That has been done for hundreds of years.

I had major back surgery when I was 12 and had one of them morphine syringe pump that was activated when a button was pushed. I only used it several times for like three days and didnt want it anymore because it sedated me and I didn't want to be sleepy. I opted for tylenol or ibuprofen extra strength, can't remember which it was a long time ago, but kids have different mind sets and motives and at that age they want to be doing active activities naturally/instinctively to burn energy to prevent or avoid restlessness. So that being said, I doubt kids that age would like strong opium based pain medication much at all.

Of course there are those who "truly" need them like kids who are dying in pain who would welcome the relief for sure who would probably rather not be on it.

Are doctors allowed to prescribe heroine

Children never suffer from chronic pain so this is just to sell more pills, right?

Those in chronic pain have no life at all without medical help.
Here I am 6 years after the fact addicted to the very thing that gives me a semblance of living.
Between the devil and deep blue sea as they say but if it were your child in agony?
You would do anything to ease their suffering.

I guess THX 1138 was a prophetic movie.

originally posted by: Asktheanimals
Children never suffer from chronic pain so this is just to sell more pills, right?

Those in chronic pain have no life at all without medical help.
Here I am 6 years after the fact addicted to the very thing that gives me a semblance of living.
Between the devil and deep blue sea as they say but if it were your child in agony?
You would do anything to ease their suffering.

Funny that, my dad suffered a brain hemorrhage and survived.He had been suffering severe headaches for the last couple of years and all the pharmaceuticals possible didn't help a damn bit.I managed to source Hemp oil and within days his headaches were all but gone.The medical industry isn't there to heal people.It's there to treat the symptoms and make money.It's a sad fact but true.

Two spinal surgeries here, fusion of C4-C5 and BAK cage fusion of L5=S1, bulging discs and fractured vertebrae,
Twenty years of opiate addiction after doctors threw jars of everything at me. My pain level was a constant 7-8 doing nothing and off the chart when working. Lose your insurance and I was out buying pills at a dollar a milligram, that get's expensive then it was time to snort heroin.
I tried to ween myself off but your body craves a certain benchline to be normal so I basically was going through withdrawal for a month or so. It was horrible, so horrible I went into detox, rapid detox.
I guess everyone is different as 18 months later and the very day I got home my pain level is non existent - zero even when I work.
When I realized this I was pretty angry, the money I spent, the pain I lived with for 20 years, constant search and anxiety of running out of pills..
So I did a little research at least enough for me.
Opiates over take your body's ability to deal with pain, it gets lazy and depends on opiates at a greater dose as time passes.
I would agree with handing out this stuff to terminal kids and those who lack the natural ability to regulate pain. Interestingly enough, none of the doctors that had me on pain pills had an exit strategy...

The question would be how restricted is the proscription of Oxycontin based on the criteria they gave in the article. It is stated that children need to first be able to handle 20 milligrams of Oxycontin for 5 days before they can be proscribed and other pediatric narcotics will be preferred before using Oxycontin. They state that as if they are trying to avoid Oxycontin but then state that the only proscribed narcotic drug for children is currently Fentanyl which seems to have a high frequency of causing diarrhea and in general seems to weakens a child's body and mind. I would be able to understand the approval if oxycontin was restricted to the cases where children are being totally crippled by pain disorders but the article made it appears as if children will be able to use this if they have chronic pain which can vary to the level of how it cripples a person's lifestyle based on what causes the chronic pain so I could see the possibility of abuse by young teens.

My current understanding is that oxycodone is abused by crushing the capsule of oxycodone so there is immediate release of opioids which causes intense rushes of euphoria whereas the normal capsule form of oxycodone produces a controlled release of the opioids which kills pains with not as intense side effects. Oxycontin seems to be a new form of oxycodone created in order to tackle the problem of abuse, however I'm not convinced Oxycontin will solve this problem and the possibility of abuse still exists. Here is the purpose I found for Oxycontin within a patent:

Oxycontin®, a controlled release oxycodone tablet from Purdue Pharma, is available in strengths as high as 160 mg oxycodone per tablet. The high opioid content makes these tablets especially attractive to abusers. Illegal trade in controlled release opioid tablets is becoming more prevalent. In order to obtain a euphoric effect (high) from such tablets, an abuser may crush the tablet and extract the opioid compound by dissolution for injection, or intranasal administration. Also, the abuser can achieve a euphoric effect from the drug by simply taking the drug orally, after chewing the tablet or grinding it to break the controlled release matrix and converting it to an immediate release product. Therefore, it would be desirable to have a formulation which would prevent the oral abuse of controlled release tablets if crushed to convert it to an immediate release product, without significantly affecting the analgesic action of opioid compounds in the intact controlled release tablet.

They haven't seemed to have solved the abuse problem and no other sources have convinced me either... This new form of oxycodone was also approved by the FDA by a study done by Purdue Pharma which in previous years had to pay 650 millions dollars in facing criminal charges so why a drug would be approved by them is beyond me. In the article from the OP they also state that the data suggests that switching from one opioid to Oxycontin is safe, the problem then being WHAT DATA? I couldn't find the data or a study indicating the safety of Oxycontin so I would be very suspicious of a Doctor that would want to proscribe Oxycontin.

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