Do women REALLY need Planned Parenthood?

a reply to: kellyjay

obama only provides subsidies for HEALTH INSURANCE, and well, it doesn't really even provide these adequately. I and my three of my adult sons all were exempt last year (even with my husband's wages) from the mandate because we couldn't afford the subsidized care!
my husband passed away early this year. We couldn't afford the healthcare I needed to stay in the workforce while he was here earning a wage so I opted to forget about the healthcare and stayed home and did what I could here.
I have no income
and there is no help!!
no welfare, at least nothing that will enable to keep a roof over my head.. my kids are not minors.
no social security, same reason,
AND NO HEALTHCARE, although I am gonna try that free clinic I mentioned and talk to them see if they have the nerve to refuse me because I am not working!

our country seems to spend a hell of alot of money helping the same danged people, to the point where what they are given far exceeds what the people who don't fit their definition of "needy" or "poor" earn....but they will leave out some of well, have absolutely nothing!

you can't provide the name of any group here that provide the same services to me as planned parenthood would, and they would have the freedom to throw away their own standards of just what makes a person "poor" and "needy" and you don't even live in the states. But continue on....

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs

originally posted by: woodwardjnr
a reply to: kellyjay leave politics out of it stop using the planned parenthood hysteria as a political tool. It's weird and uncalled for as politics should have no place in any debate in abortion

That's the first fallacy I noticed in this thread from the OP.

There are a few others as well.


I'm just waiting for Margaret Sagner & Godwin's Law to arise and then it's pretty much a full house.




OP:
You didn't answer Lucidity's question...

If 695/700 haven't broken the law, why defund them?

Bearing in mind this is about PP defunding and not abortion, nice little appeal to emotion you slipped in there...
And given that funding doesn't pay for abortion, so abortion is moot and your fallacy irrelevant...
Would they still need to be completely defunded?

Or just shut down the 5/700 that broke the law?

i dont recall making the claim that ALL should be defunded.....but i think if the investagtion finds that laws have been broken is certain clinics then those clinics should be defunded yes.

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: kellyjay

obama only provides subsidies for HEALTH INSURANCE, and well, it doesn't really even provide these adequately. I and my three of my adult sons all were exempt last year (even with my husband's wages) from the mandate because we couldn't afford the subsidized care!
my husband passed away early this year. We couldn't afford the healthcare I needed to stay in the workforce while he was here earning a wage so I opted to forget about the healthcare and stayed home and did what I could here.
I have no income
and there is no help!!
no welfare, at least nothing that will enable to keep a roof over my head.. my kids are not minors.
no social security, same reason,
AND NO HEALTHCARE, although I am gonna try that free clinic I mentioned and talk to them see if they have the nerve to refuse me because I am not working!

our country seems to spend a hell of alot of money helping the same danged people, to the point where what they are given far exceeds what the people who don't fit their definition of "needy" or "poor" earn....but they will leave out some of well, have absolutely nothing!

you can't provide the name of any group here that provide the same services to me as planned parenthood would, and they would have the freedom to throw away their own standards of just what makes a person "poor" and "needy" and you don't even live in the states. But continue on....

Im sorry to hear about your loss.

maybe a fully socialised system is what america needs....

my living in the UK doesnt exempt me from speaking about topics that i wish to speak about....

a reply to: kellyjay what should women do if they are determined to have an abortion?

originally posted by: kellyjay

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: kellyjay

Your "tax dollars" aren't paying for anything in the U.S.

No American tax dollars go to abortion either.

Next?

my taxes may not in the US but they do here in the UK....unless of course you are suggesting i dont have the right to speak about current events?

I will say this ... there are a lot of inconsistencies in your expression and terminology for an actual Scot.

The terminology you use is pure American right-wing propaganda. Word-for-word on winger talking points.

I find that very curious ... interesting even. You don't use Scottish or British idioms, you made the mistake of referring to your "tax dollars going to abortion" ... etc. etc.

However, as to what you can say and where you can say it ... I give not a hoot.

When you choose to do your bit to propagate lies and partisan BS, I'll correct you when it comes to my attention.

That's my "right of expression" ... I'm sure you're good with that, yes?

Your tax dollars do not go to fund Planned Parenthood, however you look at it.

Next?

originally posted by: woodwardjnr
a reply to: kellyjay what should women do if they are determined to have an abortion?

get insurance that covers abortion, or go to another clinic that isnt being investigated for possibly selling baby body parts....

a reply to: kellyjay

and so shouldn't the companies on the other end of the deals be shut down!! and prosecuted according to the laws....
oh wait a minute the company on the other end of the deal that has made the limelight in this has a CEO who has ties to someone in high places....that isn't gonna happen is it???

www.washingtonexaminer.com...

a reply to: Krazysh0t

I would rather just prohibit them from being involved in tissue donation. Abortion IS legal, and PP provides that service to women who need a safe way of doing it, and who may not have access to the service anywhere else in their area.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: kellyjay

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: kellyjay

Your "tax dollars" aren't paying for anything in the U.S.

No American tax dollars go to abortion either.

Next?

my taxes may not in the US but they do here in the UK....unless of course you are suggesting i dont have the right to speak about current events?

I will say this ... there are a lot of inconsistencies in your expression and terminology for an actual Scot.

The terminology you use is pure American right-wing propaganda. Word-for-word on winger talking points.

I find that very curious ... interesting even. You don't use Scottish idioms, you made the mistake of referring to your tax dollars going to abortion ... etc. etc.

However, as to what you can say and where you can say it ... I give not a hoot.

When you choose to do your bit to propagate lies and partisan BS, I'll correct you when it comes to my attention.

Your tax dollars do not go to fund Planned Parenthood, however you look at it.

Next?

i was born in missouri and lived there for 22 years before my father died and my mum came back to scotland to look after my grandparents and ive been here ever since, im now 37

does that answer your questions?

a reply to: kellyjay

not it just opens up the possibility that you don't know what the hell you are talking about!!!

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: kellyjay

not it just opens up the possibility that you don't know what the hell you are talking about!!!

Are you always this angry.....relax sheesh

originally posted by: kellyjay

originally posted by: woodwardjnr
a reply to: kellyjay what should women do if they are determined to have an abortion?

get insurance that covers abortion, or go to another clinic that isnt being investigated for possibly selling baby body parts....

Possibly? Shouldn't we prove guilt before pulling funds?

Planned Parenthood performs 27% of abortions in the US.
The math: 327,653 abortions at Planned Parenthood divided by 1.2 million total US abortions
(327653/1,200,000 = .273 or 27.3% rounded to 27%)

It is 3% of their total services (11.4 million services per year).
The math: 327,653 abortions at Planned Parenthood divided by the 11.4 million services provided at PP
(327,653/11,400,000 = .0287, or rounded up to 3%)


Abortion facts - a good place to start:

How many abortions occur each year in the United States?
Answer
There were roughly 1.2 million abortions performed in 2008, and the abortion rate was 20 per 1,000 women aged 15–44.[31] Put differently, about 2% of American women aged 15–44 had an abortion that year.

How does the U.S. rate of abortion compare with the worldwide rate?
Answer
Worldwide, there are about 28 abortions for every 1,000 women of childbearing age (15–44).[30] In the United States, there are about 20 abortions per 1,000 women.[31]

SOURCE

According to the annual report, 42 percent of the services it provides is for STI/STD testing and treatment, 34 percent is for contraception, and 9 percent goes to cancer screening. Another 12 percent is miscellaneous women's health and other health services. The 327,653 abortions Planned Parenthood clinics perform each year make up just 3 percent of the total services the group provides.

Furthermore, supporters of Planned Parenthood say that smaller health care facilities across the nation wouldn't be able to handle the influx of patients if Planned Parenthood could no longer provide many of these services.

SOURCE

a reply to: introvert

That's a difficult one...

Currently people sit in prison on extortionate bail before guilt is proven...
Assets are frozen all the time in a myriad of cases before guilt is proven...


However I'd like to see that changed, rather than advocate the same treatment for PP.

Abortion is like The Matrix movie.

We start off unaware in those vats of fluid and most are eventually harvested. Most of us never make it out, but those who do were birthed or awakened to consciousness. So if you're reading this, you're in The Matrix and the agents are after you. The machines are Planned Parenthood and their government sponsors.

Lol, I'm just joking, but it is an interesting comparison. Main difference being in The Matrix movie, most people never got to awaken or be born so to speak, while in real life, the ratio is probably much less. Still the same, many never get the chance, and those who did and are now awake are obligated to defeat the machines so that there brothers and sisters in humanity are not harvested.

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: kellyjay

originally posted by: woodwardjnr
a reply to: kellyjay what should women do if they are determined to have an abortion?

get insurance that covers abortion, or go to another clinic that isnt being investigated for possibly selling baby body parts....

Possibly? Shouldn't we prove guilt before pulling funds?

didnt i make that assertion in my OP? the word IF being a great indicator....

a reply to: kellyjay

I am living off the money I can get off of the things I can sell and I am running out of things to sell, I figure I will join the ranks of the homeless in about a month and a half, I have learned that not only have all the jobs that women with my qualifications have been in that have been created were eaten up by immigrants (who by the way really have no reason to worry about how much they are paid) but also some of those that had already existed. I went to the mall once lately just to walk through it and see what was there of interest. I managed to walk through it but avoided browsing in many of the stores along the way because I was hurting before I even made it halfway, I had to sit down and rest before I could leave the place, and well, I ended up walking with a limp for about a week afterwards.....and I have a lady living next door who stops in about four times a week wanting to bum # off of me who is perfectly able to walk farther than I can and is getting a gov't check every month!!!
Anger is all I have left!

but, the homeless in this country, ya know the ones who seem to think don't need the services like planned parenthood (by the way, you need an actual roof over your head to get obamacare also) will be glad to know that you think they should get a socialized healthcare system in the not so near future!!!!

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: kellyjay

I am living off the money I can get off of the things I can sell and I am running out of things to sell, I figure I will join the ranks of the homeless in about a month and a half, I have learned that not only have all the jobs that women with my qualifications have been in that have been created were eaten up by immigrants (who by the way really have no reason to worry about how much they are paid) but also some of those that had already existed. I went to the mall once lately just to walk through it and see what was there of interest. I managed to walk through it but avoided browsing in many of the stores along the way because I was hurting before I even made it halfway, I had to sit down and rest before I could leave the place, and well, I ended up walking with a limp for about a week afterwards.....and I have a lady living next door who stops in about four times a week wanting to bum # off of me who is perfectly able to walk farther than I can and is getting a gov't check every month!!!
Anger is all I have left!

but, the homeless in this country, ya know the ones who seem to think don't need the services like planned parenthood (by the way, you need an actual roof over your head to get obamacare also) will be glad to know that you think they should get a socialized healthcare system in the not so near future!!!!

well it would solve a lot of problems, i live in the UK and am afforded a socialised HC system, which is free to those who dont work and also the homeless.

it would crtainly work better than obamacare

a reply to: kellyjay

A working free HC system for a nation of 70million is not the same as a hypothetical free HC system for a nation of 315million.

Insurance is the only currently viable HC the U.S. can manage.



If you're originally from there, you should be able to understand the major differences that would have to be applied.

originally posted by: kellyjay

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: kellyjay

originally posted by: woodwardjnr
a reply to: kellyjay what should women do if they are determined to have an abortion?

get insurance that covers abortion, or go to another clinic that isnt being investigated for possibly selling baby body parts....

Possibly? Shouldn't we prove guilt before pulling funds?

didnt i make that assertion in my OP? the word IF being a great indicator....

I just wanted to make sure, as it appears that you may be contradicting yourself.

get insurance that covers abortion, or go to another clinic that isnt being investigated for possibly selling baby body parts....