Chaos in Kos , "The situation on the island is out of control," says Kos mayor

a reply to: capragenus it's up to you if you want to fall for the populous tripe so many on ats seem to love but claim to hate. Don't you remember last year, we were all meant to be invaded by Romanian s and Bulgarians and how awful it will be to have to live next door to a house of Romanians. I fell for that one

originally posted by: ketsuko
And what money is Greece going to use to feed them with? Last I checked, Greece was broke. The problem with socialism. Eventually, you run out of other people's money.

socialism?.....these are refugees from war zones....this has nothing to do with "running out of other people's money"...and if you go to Greece, or attempt to move there, you'll get a heavy dose of capitalism.

a reply to: Rocker2013

Yes, we get it. THey are fleeing a hellhole. I feel bad about that.

The reality is that they chose to flee to another hellhole that is in the process of collapse. Greece doesn't look like it on the outside, but on the inside, they are broke. People are having the amount of ready cash they can draw rationed. The whole system of the country is undergoing radical upheaval.

Basically, you are chiding us for pointing out the reality.

If the homeless person moves in to my home and I don't feed them, I look like a bad person because all you see is that I have a home and they don't. But what you don't see is that due to unforeseen reasons, my personal account is sitting at $20 for at least the next week, and I have to figure out how to make that stretch to cover ALL my needs. How am I supposed to feed a homeless person too?

I can't believe these immigrants choosing to be born in third world countries. You would have thought they would chose somewhere better to be born like England. I chose to be born in England, you don't see me trying to get into other countries.

originally posted by: woodwardjnr
I can't believe these immigrants choosing to be born in third world countries. You would have thought they would chose somewhere better to be born like England. I chose to be born in England, you don't see me trying to get into other countries.

As rich as some countries are (or seem to be), they can only absorb so many. That's the truth.

The reason why most places have immigration totals is so that the ones who come in legally can be absorbed and gotten on their feet and made independent before the next batch is brought in. It insures a reasonable flow that the country can help adequately to assimilate and get on their feet.

Ta reply to: ketsukothanks I understand the concept of immigration policy, my comments were made with sarcasm in mind, I understand it doesn't translate well on the Internet.

originally posted by: woodwardjnr
I can't believe these immigrants choosing to be born in third world countries. You would have thought they would chose somewhere better to be born like England. I chose to be born in England, you don't see me trying to get into other countries.

And what is this supposed to mean exactly?

I am guessing your point is that we who were lucky enough to be born into more advanced and affluent Countries, are heartless and uncaring if we do not respond to the plight of all those born in less fortunate jurisdictions...by throwing open our borders, and dispensing our national treasure, to be shared by all.

Surely you understand that this is a completely unworkable notion.

We can only absorb into our societies/economies a very limited number of these unfortunates, in any given time period. This is why we have immigration quotas.

The problem being described here is caused by illegal immigrants ("migrants" is just a politically correct way of describing these uninvited masses) who show up unannounced in a foreign country - and then demand to be fed, housed and furnished with currency.

Imagine the chaos in your own abode if homeless people kept breaking in and camping out in your basement - and then became irritated or violent if/when dinner was late, or if you didn't build an extension on the house quick enough to accommodate them all.

No one person, or nation, has the wealth necessary to take on the weight of everyone else's needs.

Point is, you don't get to choose the circumstances into which you were born, yet we are all humans so let's try and treat the situation as a humanitarian crisis, rather than aS an invasion by some enemy as many portray it and even our government ministers. If you lose your humanity what've you get left. Here in the UK the numbers are being exaggerated by the media as to the amounts applying for immigration, which are much lower than in other EU countries. Last year it was the fear stories of Romanians and Bulgarians, I'm trying not to let the media hype turn me against immigrants. I have no need to hate on other humans, just because they weren't born on the same piece of land as me. Call me a bleeding heart. I'm not really bothered. There's some bloody stupid people in this country who are so quick to respond to the government propaganda and media hype, it makes me embarrassed of my fellow British citizens. I've seen otherwise sensible members of ats fall for the hysteria they normally claim to disapprove of.

a reply to: HumansEh

Who are the ones to blame in your theory? The immigrants looking for the handouts? Or is it the legals not able/wanting to give the handouts?

originally posted by: ketsuko
Yes, we get it. THey are fleeing a hellhole. I feel bad about that.

You clearly don't, otherwise their lives would mean more to you than an opportunity to rant your usual right-wing bs.

originally posted by: ketsuko
The reality is that they chose to flee to another hellhole that is in the process of collapse. Greece doesn't look like it on the outside, but on the inside, they are broke. People are having the amount of ready cash they can draw rationed. The whole system of the country is undergoing radical upheaval.

They "chose" to get to safety, if that's a country already experiencing problems of their own then so be it, it's still better than being raped and murdered by ISIS.

originally posted by: ketsuko
Basically, you are chiding us for pointing out the reality.

Nope, I'm chiding you for being the usual shallow thinking, xenophobic, often hateful and commonly ignorant bunch of people you so often show yourselves to be.

originally posted by: ketsuko
If the homeless person moves in to my home and I don't feed them, I look like a bad person because all you see is that I have a home and they don't. But what you don't see is that due to unforeseen reasons, my personal account is sitting at $20 for at least the next week, and I have to figure out how to make that stretch to cover ALL my needs. How am I supposed to feed a homeless person too?

Please don't be so ridiculous.

originally posted by: woodwardjnr
I can't believe these immigrants choosing to be born in third world countries. You would have thought they would chose somewhere better to be born like England. I chose to be born in England, you don't see me trying to get into other countries.

I wish I could star your comment more than once.
If only others here could actually understand and show some damn compassion, rather than exhibiting their usual self-righteous privilege and ignorance.

This place is going to sh*t, there's too many xenophobic (usually Conservative, "Christian", American) fools preaching their same brand of snide hate in every thread.

a reply to: woodwardjnr

The trouble is we have a wave of uncontrolled ingratiation from what is a hotbed of Islamic extremism at a time of war with Islamic extremism , this is about security as well as trying to maintain our living standard.

a reply to: Rocker2013

Wow, hateful , racist , xenophobic, right-wing. I think you missed a few labels in that rant of your own. Also what is ridiculous about his point. It is a fact that no matter the area you live has a limited amount of resources. Be it food medicine , money. If you have mass immigration and resources cannot keep pace then you have gone from escaping a hell hole to another. But of course you have delved into available resources vs population increases and the effect down to each dose of medicine. Continue with the hate rhetoric in the name of social justice. There's something oddly refreshing about it.

originally posted by: Rocker2013

originally posted by: ketsuko
Yes, we get it. THey are fleeing a hellhole. I feel bad about that.

You clearly don't, otherwise their lives would mean more to you than an opportunity to rant your usual right-wing bs.

originally posted by: ketsuko
The reality is that they chose to flee to another hellhole that is in the process of collapse. Greece doesn't look like it on the outside, but on the inside, they are broke. People are having the amount of ready cash they can draw rationed. The whole system of the country is undergoing radical upheaval.

They "chose" to get to safety, if that's a country already experiencing problems of their own then so be it, it's still better than being raped and murdered by ISIS.

originally posted by: ketsuko
Basically, you are chiding us for pointing out the reality.

Nope, I'm chiding you for being the usual shallow thinking, xenophobic, often hateful and commonly ignorant bunch of people you so often show yourselves to be.

originally posted by: ketsuko
If the homeless person moves in to my home and I don't feed them, I look like a bad person because all you see is that I have a home and they don't. But what you don't see is that due to unforeseen reasons, my personal account is sitting at $20 for at least the next week, and I have to figure out how to make that stretch to cover ALL my needs. How am I supposed to feed a homeless person too?

Please don't be so ridiculous.

SO they dont have the balls to stay and fight for their lands so the greeks should have to take care of them huh? No thanks. Greece is broke they dont have the resources. Best to turn them back around and send them back to hell. Youre supossed to help your fellow man correct BUT not so much so that you yourself starve.
There comes a time when you have to say NO and tell them to go back home.man up,and take back their lands.

originally posted by: woodwardjnr
Point is, you don't get to choose the circumstances into which you were born, yet we are all humans so let's try and treat the situation as a humanitarian crisis, rather than aS an invasion by some enemy as many portray it and even our government ministers. If you lose your humanity what've you get left. Here in the UK the numbers are being exaggerated by the media as to the amounts applying for immigration, which are much lower than in other EU countries. Last year it was the fear stories of Romanians and Bulgarians, I'm trying not to let the media hype turn me against immigrants. I have no need to hate on other humans, just because they weren't born on the same piece of land as me. Call me a bleeding heart. I'm not really bothered. There's some bloody stupid people in this country who are so quick to respond to the government propaganda and media hype, it makes me embarrassed of my fellow British citizens. I've seen otherwise sensible members of ats fall for the hysteria they normally claim to disapprove of.

She says from the comfort of her Leafy Hamlet in England. Lovley sentiment my dear, Im sure you will be the first to welcome them all in, when they are camped out on the village green.

a reply to: dam00 yes I'm lucky I don't have the responsibility of not being the one making the decisions on immigration, but if you think I'm going to get whipped up in the hysteria and start making hateful comments like I see in the daily mail and demonising immigrants It's not going to happen, you do what you want. Have a ball

a reply to: woodwardjnr

No hateful comments have come from me, all I say is that the UK government is currently meeting all international laws, treaties and conventions on refugees and asylum seekers. This includes lawfully defending its border.

If any migrants actually make it into the UK they are free to claim asylum and have their case considered, but it just happens to be the case that the UK border is easier to defend than any other EU nations.

If you want the conventions on refugees to be changed for any reason then you are free to ask your elected representatives to petition the UN, but it will require other nations such as the USA, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, etc, to agree that they wish to take migrants from safe nations as well.

Government policy is to comply with all obligations and defend its border. It is doing both.
The majority of people in the UK support that policy, so aside from contacting your MP or whatever and actually trying to change things, I don't see what bleating about it on ATS is going to achieve.

a reply to: grainofsand
I can't use the quote function for some reason., but if government policy is working, what's the problem? The government is doing its job which is good of them, especially during their 6 week summer holiday. We are lucky to have such a competent government running the show. I'll stop bleeting on ats about it thanks

a reply to: grainofsand

I don't see what bleating about it on ATS is going to achieve.

Same as bleating about anything on ATS , it's cathartic.

a reply to: woodwardjnr

Yep, not a bad job done so far, they could do much better though as there is a steady trickle of folk actually making it through on lorries, or even that chap who walked the tunnel last week.
I support all lawful efforts to protect the border and prevent attempts of illegal entry by migrants from safe EU nations.
As I said, if you don't then the only influence you can have is by contacting your elected representatives and/or protesting the government.

I don't see much changing anytime soon though as your 'let them in' mindset is a minority in the UK. Unlucky.