For those who buy into the OS of 9/11

a reply to: scottyirnbru

3 trillion

And this.

originally posted by: scottyirnbru
If it was so obviously an inside job why haven't the Russians been openly stating this since day one?

The concept of opposites is nothing but an illusion...

"One should never forget that the Rothschilds NEVER lost ownership of both Russia and China, even today." Source

originally posted by: KnightLight
I also think Russia and USA are working together, and playing it off well.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: intrptr

I have no problem saying that the Bush administration took advantage of a bad situation from 9/11 to expand military operations in the region (that's obvious to anyone), but to try to link the Bush administration's activities AFTER 9/11 to the events of 9/11 as a false flag needs more substantial evidence to adequately make that connection.

The environment in peoples minds after the "first" Gulf War (as it came to be known after 911; before that it was just "The" Gulf War) was that Saddam had been defeated and Iraq's army destroyed. The excuse in the first place that Saddam would conquer the Middle East (compared to Hitler in this regard) and needed to be stopped was fulfilled. Unlike Vietnam, we "won" one for a change. Everyone could stand down, the mission in Iraq was accomplished.

Whether or not that sentiment was desired or not, the mind set needed to be overcome to go back in. There was no reason to go back into Iraq. The people needed to be thrust into that mode of thinking by something really extraordinary, something so upsetting, so grand an affront to everyones sensibilities that carte blanche would be given to undertake anything military (go get em, kill them all).

As we now know, Iraq had little to do with 911. The people were sold reengaging Iraq by 911. Couldn't have planned it better myself. Although I wasn't fooled by WMD in the desert or little vials of yellow powder in the UN. Were you?

Perhaps you were sold the "first" gulf war by "Iraqi soldiers unplugging babies incubators in Kuwait"?

What will sell you on the continued effort to reduce resistance to occupation by US forces there, now?

Oh, ISIS.

Take a broader look at the reduction of Iraq as an independent nation over time, into a subjugated one under western Hegemony. This doesn't happen overnight, It is done in phases over decades, step by step, planned from the beginning.

Don't buy into the little pictures presented in the media for mass consumption as justification, look at the overall picture.

a reply to: intrptr

That's a cool story, but it isn't proof that it actually happened. All you've done is establish motive, but a case needs more than just motive to prove guilt. Especially one with such DIRE accusations. I mean you are accusing the American government of conspiring against its people to perpetrate a war. You better be DAMN sure that they did it.

a reply to: scottyirnbru

Why not just make a massive truck bomb in times square on a Friday evening?

Not big enough, and over before people can "tune in".

911 was brilliant, it was live. Every news camera was focused live on the twin towers when the second plane struck. The resulting mass spectacle of the buildings burning, collapsing, the mass casualties and the extended clean up was designed to be so over the top, that anything would be acceptable to get those people back that did this.

Attack anyone, everyone, which is what they have been doing ever since.

a reply to: Murgatroid

Oh look, more disinformation and BS in the 9/11 forum.

That photo of Bush, Putin and Jintao is from an APEC meeting in Hanoi..

www.latimes.com...

a reply to: Murgatroid

you amuse me. Like a clown.

Here, on your "freemason" picture.
www.latimes.com...

you truly do make me smile.

a reply to: Murgatroid

ETA: Never mind, thanks guys…

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: intrptr

That's a cool story, but it isn't proof that it actually happened. All you've done is establish motive, but a case needs more than just motive to prove guilt. Especially one with such DIRE accusations. I mean you are accusing the American government of conspiring against its people to perpetrate a war. You better be DAMN sure that they did it.

The "wars" (plural) are the proof. There is no need to evaluate the Main Stream excuses dividing them up as though they are different, unrelated events. The wars are all one ongoing war to reduce the nation of Iraq.

That should be obvious.

War is about conquest. The 'first' gulf war left everyone wondering why we stopped short of conquering the whole country, remember?

Patience, let the effects of all that bombing of infrastructure have its desired outcome. Turning off a nations power, transportation, shipping, phones, water and food distribution and sewage treatment are all siege measures designed to kill many more people through famine and disease than the actual war itself.

This takes time and its exactly how they carried this out. Destroying a countries infrastructure is just the opening salvo. Leaving the government in charge or not is irrelevant to this primary goal of starving, sickening and weakening the peoples resistance to the next phase.

That began ten years later after 911 with the next goal of invading, decapitating the government and occupying the country. With the army basically destroyed and the people so weakened as to provide little resistance the actual invasion and "rebuilding" of infrastructure suited to exploitation of resources can begin.

Guarding the oil wells, pipe lines and refineries? Establishing permanent bases, the largest embassy complex on the planet (the Green Zone) and using Iraq's geographic location as a stepping stone to further the reduction of other countries, like Syria and Iran (to follow) is the next step.

Problem is a fine balance now of maintaining dominance over the indigenous populations and factions and still being able to carry out the next step without the people rising up to interfere.

Requiring 'surges', more bombing, more starving out regions and peoples or factions within the country, while protecting the precious resources, the Green Zone, and military occupation forces, at all costs.

Whats that up to now? I mean dadd it all up from Gulf War "Iraq One".

originally posted by: intrptr
The "wars" (plural) are the proof. There is no need to evaluate the Main Stream excuses dividing them up as though they are different, unrelated events. The wars are all one ongoing war to reduce the nation of Iraq.

That should be obvious.

No they aren't. All there are is evidence of motive, but they aren't actually evidence of conspiracy. Like I said, it could have just simply been politicians taking advantage of a bad situation.

War is about conquest. The 'first' gulf war left everyone wondering why we stopped short of conquering the whole country, remember?

I remember that we never even entered Kuwait and specifically DIDN'T enter Iraq and our entire purpose there was to defend Kuwait. I also remember a bunch of uninformed people ASSUMING we should continue into Iraq.

Patience, let the effects of all that bombing of infrastructure have its desired outcome. Turning off a nations power, transportation, shipping, phones, water and food distribution and sewage treatment are all siege measures designed to kill many more people through famine and disease than the actual war itself.

This takes time and its exactly how they carried this out. Destroying a countries infrastructure is just the opening salvo. Leaving the government in charge or not is irrelevant to this primary goal of starving, sickening and weakening the peoples resistance to the next phase.

That began ten years later after 911 with the next goal of invading, decapitating the government and occupying the country. With the army basically destroyed and the people so weakened as to provide little resistance the actual invasion and "rebuilding" of infrastructure suited to exploitation of resources can begin.

Guarding the oil wells, pipe lines and refineries? Establishing permanent bases, the largest embassy complex on the planet (the Green Zone) and using Iraq's geographic location as a stepping stone to further the reduction of other countries, like Syria and Iran (to follow) is the next step.

Problem is a fine balance now of maintaining dominance over the indigenous populations and factions and still being able to carry out the next step without the people rising up to interfere.

Requiring 'surges', more bombing, more starving out regions and peoples or factions within the country, while protecting the precious resources, the Green Zone, and military occupation forces, at all costs.

Whats that up to now? I mean dadd it all up from Gulf War "Iraq One".

Like I said, you are just arguing circumstantially. But it is all just a cool Tom Clancy thriller until you can establish some concrete evidence of these allegations.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

No they aren't. All there are is evidence of motive, but they aren't actually evidence of conspiracy. Like I said, it could have just simply been politicians taking advantage of a bad situation.

War is a conspiracy, a grand design involving all reaches of government, industry and the military. You make it sound like some trivial whim, sort of just coincidental, like well one day they thought they would go for a walk in the park.

Only motive? War is actual acts of war. Thanks for reminding me of what feigning ignorance looks like.

I remember that we never even entered Kuwait and specifically DIDN'T enter Iraq and our entire purpose there was to defend Kuwait.

Yes, the OS again, from Mr. OS himself.

I also remember a bunch of uninformed people ASSUMING we should continue into Iraq.

We went in, we never left, we are still there. Nice try at mind meld.

I know you aren't uninformed of world events, the only thing left is purposeful denial to obfuscate the truth.

a reply to: intrptr

Well you have to actually present some physical evidence of a conspiracy for me to believe in it. Your beliefs and reasoning aren't good enough.

This year, Tikrit, Iraq. DOD video of US bombs impacting bridge spans and dock yards, a source of supply and transport for the entire city. The OSers will tell you nah, they are just bombing ISIS, not Iraq.

Tikrit is in Iraq. Bombs aren''t raining on the "Muslim State". Oh wait, the whole country is Muslim…

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: intrptr

Well you have to actually present some physical evidence of a conspiracy for me to believe in it. Your beliefs and reasoning aren't good enough.

Believe what, that the US occupies the Middle East to this day? Or how it was just some whim on the US part, coincidental to 911?

I'm not trying to get you to admit anything. I'm bouncing off a brick wall to show others.

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: intrptr

Well you have to actually present some physical evidence of a conspiracy for me to believe in it. Your beliefs and reasoning aren't good enough.

Believe what, that the US occupies the Middle East to this day? Or how it was just some whim on the US part, coincidental to 911?

THAT isn't evidence that a false flag conspiracy was carried out on 9/11 to get us there though!

I'm not trying to get you to admit anything. I'm bouncing off a brick wall to show others.

You aren't doing anything. You've presented zero evidence to me and have just used reasoning, anecdotes, and circumstantial stories to try to paint a motive for misconduct, but as far as ACTUAL physical proof of conspiracy, there is none.

originally posted by: Murgatroid

originally posted by: scottyirnbru
If it was so obviously an inside job why haven't the Russians been openly stating this since day one?

The concept of opposites is nothing but an illusion...

"One should never forget that the Rothschilds NEVER lost ownership of both Russia and China, even today." Source

originally posted by: KnightLight
I also think Russia and USA are working together, and playing it off well.

Waffle. Next.

originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: scottyirnbru

3 trillion

And this.

So nothing then huh?

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: scottyirnbru

Why not just make a massive truck bomb in times square on a Friday evening?

Not big enough, and over before people can "tune in".

911 was brilliant, it was live. Every news camera was focused live on the twin towers when the second plane struck. The resulting mass spectacle of the buildings burning, collapsing, the mass casualties and the extended clean up was designed to be so over the top, that anything would be acceptable to get those people back that did this.

Attack anyone, everyone, which is what they have been doing ever since.

Of course. Silly me not spotting this. It's really convenient though isn't it.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

but as far as ACTUAL physical proof of conspiracy, there is none.

You keep ignoring that war is a conspiracy, though. Waged aggressively for unjust reasons, more so.

But go ahead convince me of the just reasons…

Any just reason to invade, occupy and subjugate another country, for decades… I'll wait.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Krazysh0t

but as far as ACTUAL physical proof of conspiracy, there is none.

You keep ignoring that war is a conspiracy, though. Waged aggressively for unjust reasons, more so.

I'm not ignoring that. I'm saying that it isn't evidence of what you are claiming.

But go ahead convince me of the just reasons…

Any just reason to invade, occupy and subjugate another country, for decades… I'll wait.

*eye roll* You are deflecting. I'm not defending war. I'm just saying that the existence of a war doesn't necessarily mean that the country that started it perpetrated a false flag against its people in order to start it.