Oath Keepers Turn Up at Michael Brown Protests in Ferguson, Missouri

originally posted by: ~Lucidity

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: ~Lucidity

Then what is the issue here? That some dudes showed up? I mean, this WAS in the OP:

Imagine the carnage if the other protesters asserted their right to carry too. I swear it seems like some people actually want carnage.

Its actually the first sentence you wrote. Right underneath that image you have of guys carrying rifles.

But ok. Sure. This thread isn't about the right to bear arms. Its about some dudes going to Missouri. Has nothing to do with firearms at all.

oO

But hey...they have every right to be there too, right?

That was also in the OP. And in case you don't recognize it as such, it's rhetorical. They have every right. But why?

Maybe they are just mercs...private contractors hired by or in with AJ or someone else. I don't know. But I want to know why. And what for. And it isn't just because they have the "right."

OK...you got me on board.

And point taken.

originally posted by: chewi
a reply to: ~Lucidity
Are these allowed to do this and if this isn't an advert for banning firearms then what is. Why do you Americans want to keep your firearms. Hunting, Defence or control. I am really confused as to the argument for firearms.

You wouldn't understand .. I didn't understand it either until I came to the United States. Now I understand and once you do, you won't ask stupid questions like this anymore.

a reply to: ~Lucidity

The Bundy Ranch "weapons" were all toys.

And nobody got shot at.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Yes, people are offended at the Oathkeepers choosing to bear arms within their rights. It is up to those people to get a grip on their offense, as they have no constitutional right to not be offended.

Pointing a finger at a police officer can result in arrest as it can be taken as a "gun shooting" gesture. Similar "threat perception" can be done by a civilian, that "he was pointing finger at me and I took it as a threat".

In the case of OKs, holding weapons might be within their rights, but if the hand is on the trigger and even at side angle or any angle the point of the gun is facing someone off, then that can be taken as a "threatening gesture".

End of the day, it will EXPLODE the already hot situation. Even physical hand to hand confrontation of a person with OKs resulting in use of ammo and next thing we know is................."UTTER NONSENSE" unleashing.

Better for the "mini dicks" to go back and stroke their ego in private or in countryside shooting their weapons in the air. US government and its law enforcement wings have not asked for any help. So please oblige and leave.

a reply to: Flatfish

You can prove these are real Oath Keepers and those guns are real?

I know you cherish the MSM, but ....

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Flatfish

You can prove these are real Oath Keepers and those guns are real?

I know you cherish the MSM, but ....

Can you prove they aren't?

I know the answer, but I thought I'd ask for the fun of it.

Any evidence to back up what you're saying?

And!!!! Ta da!!! Drum roll please....

Not hired. Stay tuned for more.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: Flatfish

If someone has a negative response about something, that is their problem. It shouldn't be forced on me to concern myself with how others feel about me and my behavior when it is lawful behavior. I have the freedom to be an asshole if i choose....or not. That is what freedom is.

And I couldn't agree more!

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan

Yes, people are offended at the Oathkeepers choosing to bear arms within their rights. It is up to those people to get a grip on their offense, as they have no constitutional right to not be offended. Or flummoxed Or flustered. Or flabbergasted. Each of those issues are their problem to deal with. And are in no way justification for the imposition of tyranny by sequestering someones rights.

They have every "right" to be offended, flummoxed, flustered and/or flabbergasted. Like you said it's their choice and it's their problem to "deal with."

Now, whether or not you think the way they "deal" with it is justified, that's a whole nuther question for a whole nuther thread.

Just the same, I'm betting they'll "deal" with it by demanding more gun control legislation and getting it enacted.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan

But if you are forced to not exercise your rights for fear of the slippery slope ending in those rights being sequestered or removed....then you are not really free. And you are, in the process, admitting that you really don't have a "right". Rights that can be taken away are actually called "privileges".

Im sure your 5th grader can tell you what the difference is.

My 5th grader isn't naive enough to believe there is anything that can't be taken away because he knows the difference between fairy tales and truth.

This whole thing isn't about exercising their rights, it's about abusing their rights to incite confrontation and testing the boundaries of "current" law. Laws are changed and amended all the time and anyone who thinks gun laws are immune to the process is a fool.

No different than the guy who hollers "FIRE!" In a crowded theatre. Even free speech has some "reasonable" limits.

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Flatfish

You can prove these are real Oath Keepers and those guns are real?

I know you cherish the MSM, but ....

To tell you the truth, I don't give a hairy rats ass whether they're Oath Keepers, Bee Keepers, Book Keepers or Zoo Keepers.

What that are is a bunch if gun toting nuts who are looking for trouble and confrontation in the mist of an already bad situation.

I'll tell you what they're not. They're definitely not Brain Keepers, that's for damn sure.

a reply to: ~Lucidity

The oathkeepers are a para military version of the KKK nothing more.

If a militia showed up to protect protesters the national guard would be deployed.

The double standard

a reply to: DarthFazer

I don't know if they're some kind of wannabes or reliving their glory days or whatever it is that's floating their particular boats. Former military and LE...right. If they still wanna be doing that job, then do it. If not, get the hell out of the way of those whose job it is. Don't agree with how they're doing their jobs? Take other steps, but don't go around inciting things or looking for some kind of adulation.

One of these dudes pulled into the gas stations while I was pumping gas tonight on a loud crotch rocket with an AR strapped across his back and a revolver on his hip. I did a double take and, to be honest was ready to dive under my car, as I watched him scare more than a few people, including the cashier and a couple of kids. I mean where the hell are you going that you need all that? Is that what you want the whole country to be? The wild, wild west? For people to be either desensitized or feel threatened? Turns out he was making a run and a point about the Chattanooga shootings and handed me a flier.

This honestly just confuses the bloody hell out of me. As to WHY? What is compelling these people? Probably a lot of different things, and not all of them all altrusitic and good. And yeah, it's their "right' and we have to "deal" but it's also out right to not want that all over the place. I'm telling ya...no wonder cops are jumpy, with everyone potentially armed and carrying. Clearly something's got them freaked.

a reply to: ~Lucidity

They are on the 4th box



I don't know what their deal is, either. Me? I'd rather watch Netflix. I suspect that their level of frustration has boiled over into action instead of Netflix.

British reporter in Ferguson finds whites openly carrying rifles and peaceful blacks being arrested

“But certainly their presence, their state of wearing uniforms, military-type uniforms — some of them are ex-military, some of them are even serving police, we’re told,” she reported. “They were, you know, carrying weapons.”

Morris noted that black protesters faced pepper spray, arrests and other actions by riot police.

The Oath Keepers, however, “openly carry sidearms and semi-automatic weapons as is their right,” she said.

“You and people who look like you, white males, have the sovereignty to walk around with assault rifles,” one black protesters told a white Oath Keeper, “But we [black protesters] can’t even like stand out here and assemble peacefully and exercise our constitutional right to do so without being gassed, maced and arrested.”

“I don’t have a perspective,” the Oath Keeper replied flatly.

Morris said that she had a hard time understanding why police would arrest otherwise peaceful protesters.

Guess Brits just don't understand.

a reply to: ~Lucidity

This is part of a video i saw on CNN. Where you there when this happened? At 1:15 you see the guy in the white shirt pull out a gun, according to CNN he was the one who got shot and is in hospital.

Whoops: Here is the video:

Video of shooting

Bring more guns into a questionable situation. Great.

Didn't the police declare the protest are no long peaceful due to the object throwing. Someone wants all hell to break loose.

Rights and freedom ? Hahaha. You mean gas and oil. When has another county attacked usa ? You guys flew a plane into your own building as an excuse to go get your money.All troops are brainwashed to follow orders and do the dirty work. How long did it take me ? 2 sec. I don't copy paste or messager. I speak what I feel from the heart. Something most of you do not ! The real question is, who will prosecute usa for war crimes? Because let me tell ya something mate. Your day is coming. If u can't honestly see how the U.S. Military do there work then I'm sorry, but your a sheep. Bbaaahhhhhh
I've served in the a.d.f. I've seen your dirty work. And I'll never forget.. Not freedom ! GAS AND OIL.

The video i posted is not the same one i saw on CNN. That was much better (clearer) footage, just cannot find it right now.

Where you there Lucidity?

originally posted by: Harvin
The video i posted is not the same one i saw on CNN. That was much better (clearer) footage, just cannot find it right now.

Where you there Lucidity?

Was I there? No. Were you?

Haha you watch CNN ? propaganda mate. All lies. Just like. Bbc,fox,ect The only half decent news is russia today and Al Jerzeera. How we suppose to discuss events when half you guys watch your main stream media #. Wake up.

originally posted by: ~Lucidity

originally posted by: Harvin
The video i posted is not the same one i saw on CNN. That was much better (clearer) footage, just cannot find it right now.

Where you there Lucidity?

Was I there? No. Were you?

No.