Mankind in our lifetimes will look nothing like it does today.

Points made in this and explained in greater detail:
1) Reproduction will eventually be done in the laboratory rather than in the traditional way.
2) Nano-technology will enable people to expand lifespan and even alter their gender.
3) Robots will take over almost all low-skill jobs.
4) People will soon be able to go in and replace healthy limbs and organs with superior synthetic alternatives.

One can only marvel at the fact that the plagues several hundred years ago led to the development of the Industrial Revolution. In the last 100 years we have gone from Model T Fords, silent movies and in-home electricity being a recent development to being able to alter DNA in the lab, injecting tiny robot-like devices into the blood stream to fix blockages, being able to talk to anyone in the world on phones we carry in our pockets and drones for killing people our government labels as enemy. And we can expect radical changes in the next 20 years that will make our advancement since WW1 seem incredibly long and drawn out.

So will people accept these changes? Will we wind up with a Hunger Games society in which the average people carry on in a subsistence existence while the elite live in a super-tech and isolated society? What do you suppose the role of secret societies will be in this new technology...or is it really that new?

Thing is the rae things are going capitalism may have to be replaced in 30-50 years time.

I cant see it surviving some of the new technology's especially if we start exploiting space resources.

Now its served us well (ish) up to now but with cheap manufacturing and plentiful resources it will be obsolete.

Not only will some of the elite balk at that but many of the more stubborn hard conservatives will activity resists even when there way of life is hopelessly obsolete.

Don't get me wrong. I'm pretty "right" and conservative now in 2015 but by 2045? Well I am smart enough to realize my current views may be incredibly outdated and need to change.

Interesting view. Now what do you think we will have to do with all the excess labor created by robots cornering the workplace?

originally posted by: edward777
Interesting view. Now what do you think we will have to do with all the excess labor created by robots cornering the workplace?

I dont want to say it as I will get jumped by a very vocal group on here and even I dont like the idea myself.....

But it beats the mass starvation and/or killing of excess people.

a reply to: edward777

Star and flag OP indeed change is coming, but don't call me am obstacle of progress if I still reproduce the old fashion way.

a reply to: edward777

I agree about the robots, I have seen some reports where business is hoping to layoff 30 - 40% of our total work force in the next 10 years to be replaced with robots. It's seems to be taking off in China and Japan with various production plants and even hotels having 90 - 100% workforces.

As far as the transhumanist stuff meshing robots with humans, etc. I'll say no thanks. I always say with things like pot that nature put it here so it was intended. Same logic , if nature wanted nano bots doing things inside of me or me to regrow limbs then my view is I would have been born that way.

a reply to: edward777

Own up to not having time to watch the video as off out, but I am having trouble thinking that people will give up sex for laboratory reproduction even if it gives you the child tailored to your personal idea of beauty and intelligence. Its nothing to do with age either, I have a friend in their mid 70's and the idea of no sex would cause a ripe commotion. Age hasn't cooled his ardour.

originally posted by: edward777

Points made in this and explained in greater detail:
1) Reproduction will eventually be done in the laboratory rather than in the traditional way.
2) Nano-technology will enable people to expand lifespan and even alter their gender.
3) Robots will take over almost all low-skill jobs.
4) People will soon be able to go in and replace healthy limbs and organs with superior synthetic alternatives.

One can only marvel at the fact that the plagues several hundred years ago led to the development of the Industrial Revolution. In the last 100 years we have gone from Model T Fords, silent movies and in-home electricity being a recent development to being able to alter DNA in the lab, injecting tiny robot-like devices into the blood stream to fix blockages, being able to talk to anyone in the world on phones we carry in our pockets and drones for killing people our government labels as enemy. And we can expect radical changes in the next 20 years that will make our advancement since WW1 seem incredibly long and drawn out.

So will people accept these changes? Will we wind up with a Hunger Games society in which the average people carry on in a subsistence existence while the elite live in a super-tech and isolated society? What do you suppose the role of secret societies will be in this new technology...or is it really that new?

The singularity is coming, nothing short of an ELE(extinction level event ) can stop it.

If you can make it 20 or 30 more years, immortality can be yours.

a reply to: johnwick

Yes sir, i do wonder though if we will achieve a super intelligence through complete artificial means or my combining our bodies with technology, what do you think?

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: edward777
Interesting view. Now what do you think we will have to do with all the excess labor created by robots cornering the workplace?

I dont want to say it as I will get jumped by a very vocal group on here and even I dont like the idea myself.....

But it beats the mass starvation and/or killing of excess people.

Wok, I know what you are thinking, and I agree I don't like it.

But it must be discussed.

The UN has been discussing it, because forward thinkers see what is coming.

Agenda 21, it is an obvious necessity.

IMHO, in 30 years, forced, but reveseable sterilization must be used.

We must limit reproduction, or we will soon end our race.

Once we have FTL(faster than light travel ) and can spread out in space, it will not be an issue.

But at the present, it is a huge issue.

Let them flame, I don't care.

Their imaginary sky fairy "GOD" is not going to come and save us, we must save ourselves.

If we are going to do that, we must begin to plan for our long term survival.

originally posted by: Reallyfolks
a reply to: edward777

I agree about the robots, I have seen some reports where business is hoping to layoff 30 - 40% of our total work force in the next 10 years to be replaced with robots. It's seems to be taking off in China and Japan with various production plants and even hotels having 90 - 100% workforces.

As far as the transhumanist stuff meshing robots with humans, etc. I'll say no thanks. I always say with things like pot that nature put it here so it was intended. Same logic , if nature wanted nano bots doing things inside of me or me to regrow limbs then my view is I would have been born that way.

If nature didn't want it, we wouldn't have been born with the mental capacity to do it.

What purpose is there in our intelligence if we were not meant to use it to its fullest extent?

I understand what you are saying, but you are neglecting to factor in the very intelligence that makes it possible to even have this conversation.

a reply to: johnwick

I completely agree and in a lot of ways I have transhumanist philosophy's.

originally posted by: TechniXcality
a reply to: johnwick

Yes sir, i do wonder though if we will achieve a super intelligence through complete artificial means or my combining our bodies with technology, what do you think?

I would fall under the singularitarian umbrella.

I do believe that will be our future.

At that point most of us will leave to explore space.

The "amish" will stay, in tens of thousands of of years, it will happen again.

I honestly believe this cycle has been going on for aeons.

Maybe even since the beginning of our world.

originally posted by: johnwick

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: edward777
Interesting view. Now what do you think we will have to do with all the excess labor created by robots cornering the workplace?

I dont want to say it as I will get jumped by a very vocal group on here and even I dont like the idea myself.....

But it beats the mass starvation and/or killing of excess people.

Wok, I know what you are thinking, and I agree I don't like it.

But it must be discussed.

The UN has been discussing it, because forward thinkers see what is coming.

Agenda 21, it is an obvious necessity.

IMHO, in 30 years, forced, but reveseable sterilization must be used.

We must limit reproduction, or we will soon end our race.

Once we have FTL(faster than light travel ) and can spread out in space, it will not be an issue.

But at the present, it is a huge issue.

Let them flame, I don't care.

Their imaginary sky fairy "GOD" is not going to come and save us, we must save ourselves.

If we are going to do that, we must begin to plan for our long term survival.

I am thinking worse than that.....the dreaded word that begind with a S and ends with a M, at least until the population stabilizes.. But sterilization may very well have to be apart of it.

In the next decade alone we may very well see life expectancy in the west to jump up to age 200!

It may have to be a case of only allowing things like telemere therapy in exchange for sterilization.

a reply to: edward777

Interesting theories, can't watch the video right now but will watch later. Thanks for sharing

a reply to: johnwick

If there comes a time when you have a choice to have nano robots running around in your body making desired changes cool. If there comes a time you have the choice to have a limb regrown for you so be it. If you have a choice at some point to be part robot and part human so be it. All this would be a personal choice . Not mine, if it's yours great. Enjoy

a reply to: Reallyfolks

Nature put anthrax here....doesn't mean it's ok...no offense, but the "pot grows here so it's ok doesn't work"....
I'm all for pot legalization as I feel marijuana to be morally equivalent to alcohol...
But nature grows everything from anthrax to cyanide....but that doesn't mean I want a cyanide martini or anthrax brownies...
-Christosterone

This stuff won't happen all at once. I think 20 years is a bit too optimistic for immortality. I'm 32, and am hoping that before I'm 40 I'll be on a cocktail of healthspan enhancing pharmaceuticals. That's the first stage. I think it'll take another 10-15 years before the next round comes in and enhances our lifespan as well. That's stage 2. Stage 3 is reversing the aging process to our point of maturity, and enhancing our biology and genetics with tech. I think the beginning of that is still a quarter century off for the public, but won't mature for perhaps a century or so.

I'm hoping to reach each 3 stages, but also am working hard to give myself a chance. That includes giving up all harmful drugs, eating healthy, and increasing exercise fitness and cardiovascular health now. I'd suggest those under 40 wanting to hit all 3 stages get fit now, and also do what they can to stay useful and bank some in reserves for the tech when it becomes available.

I believe that not too far in the future, people will be able to live much extended lifetimes and replace limbs, cure cancer etc. Unfortunatly I also believe it will only be for the ultra-rich. Like space travel. Sadly it is already too often the case that the richer you are, the better medical treatment you can receive. You can afford the better drugs that are denied to the average person if you do fall ill. Better food and living conditions also mean a healthier, longer life. Yes the technology is inevitable but not everyone will get to share in its benefits.

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: johnwick

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: edward777
Interesting view. Now what do you think we will have to do with all the excess labor created by robots cornering the workplace?

I dont want to say it as I will get jumped by a very vocal group on here and even I dont like the idea myself.....

But it beats the mass starvation and/or killing of excess people.

Wok, I know what you are thinking, and I agree I don't like it.

But it must be discussed.

The UN has been discussing it, because forward thinkers see what is coming.

Agenda 21, it is an obvious necessity.

IMHO, in 30 years, forced, but reveseable sterilization must be used.

We must limit reproduction, or we will soon end our race.

Once we have FTL(faster than light travel ) and can spread out in space, it will not be an issue.

But at the present, it is a huge issue.

Let them flame, I don't care.

Their imaginary sky fairy "GOD" is not going to come and save us, we must save ourselves.

If we are going to do that, we must begin to plan for our long term survival.

I am thinking worse than that.....the dreaded word that begind with a S and ends with a M, at least until the population stabilizes.. But sterilization may very well have to be apart of it.

In the next decade alone we may very well see life expectancy in the west to jump up to age 200!

It may have to be a case of only allowing things like telemere therapy in exchange for sterilization.

This conversation needs to be had.

If on ATS, we can't have this conversation, what chance does humanity as a whole have?

Anyone with a long view can easily see the results if we don't begin planning and implementation now.

I agree, most will react with outrage, but too bad.

I am a realist, that has very high pattern recognition abilities.

I see where this is going in many different ways.

Let them flame wok.

Let's talk openly openly about this, right here right now.

I believe we should give open ended reproducing rights to our best and brightest.

Those with retardation, and all other reproductive defects should be sterilizatized.

Only those with positive traits should reproduce.

Otherwise you are just hurting humanity, not helping it.

Yes I and my offspring fall in the group that gets to reproduce, so I will be hated on.

But my offspring are not only perfectly healthy, they don't cause a draining of resources.

They are smart and strong, they add to humanity.

Every child born with any congenital birth defects should be put down.

Harsh? Obviously it is, but we live in reality not some fantasy reality.

Only the productive that add to the whole should exist.

All those that only take must go.

Sorry for those that can't make babies that add to humanity, but it is not my fault, I didn't choose your parents any more than you did.

Every person in my large family is a great worker, we have zero congenital defects in a dozen generations.

We have great physical and mental prowess. My father was one of the best geothermal techs in Indiana, my grandfather helped build the laser reflector that let us accurately measure the distance from the earth to the moon.

My brother and sister are way above average in every category.

My sister won the 300 mile bike race vs girls and guys.

My brother at 5 foot 11 inches could dunk a basketball at 14 years old.

Today he is "the man" at his work.

I am "the man" at my work.

Some of us ate just not up to snuff.

I think we should selectively breed.

And breed out all the the takers.

I have not and will not ever take welfare, I will just work more.

All those that won't, need to go.

They are holding us all back because they are weak.

In nature they would be abandoned young and die, thus enriching the whole of the species, because they aren't making inferior offspring.

Our schools should test for and direct children towards careers that their natural skills are most directed towards.

This is already done in Japan and China.

Because they are looking forward.

Sorry this was a harsh post, but reality is reality.