Can you solve the code in the sword? British Library appeals for help in cracking enigmatic code

Thor, Son of Odin, hail. ( Old germanic ) The Protector of mankind ( In latin ) hail. Ride with your chariot into the sun/sigil. ( Old germanic )

Thor, Son of Odin, Hail. The protector of mankind, hail. Ride into Valhalla.

Im getting closer, some changes here and there.

Found a reference book and i have a esoteric book of ancient scripture.

The references are a prophecy.

a reply to: yulka

Can you source where you got those translations? That's an exact quote from the comments sections.

a reply to: raymundoko

the books? and textures?

It could also, say. In english,

Sacrifice with humans that Thor will take with his chariot to open the doors/sigil to Valhalla, the symbols are meanings not words.

And to be honest, thats the closest i get without altering the words.

Which texts are you sourcing from? I'm not getting any of that.

By all accounts this is Germanic alphabet.

a reply to: yulka

originally posted by: Domo1

I'd say Templar sword, first word possibly Jesus and then a two alliterated words (5+5+7/8 letters). After a few lookups I have a possible one: Latin words «JESUS CAVEO CAESURI(A)» (my Latin is terrible, how is my grammar here guys?) which would mean something along the lines of «Jesus behold the (or protects against?) Caesar's» a Templar way of saying «Skate or Die!» I don't know. If the last letter is an A as in Caesuria it could read «Jesus, Behold! The [Sword Is The] Mother Of The Caesars!» Caesar had his name since they were brought into life by caesarian sections. Caesar means Sever. Probably some Atbash or els replacement code, looks pretty forward to me. Looks like Medieval Latin syntax and morphology. Or Caesuria could be Caesarland, perhaps Caesarea? Jesus was a Caesar. I think.

If Jesus is key: JESUS xx-E- xxESU--(x) could just be Jesus Caveo Caesuri(a) with a heartwarming signature by the lovely IA. Sweet.

Caveo: en.wiktionary.org...
Caesuri: en.wiktionary.org...

a reply to: Utnapisjtim

What am I missing? I don't see any of that.

The letters on the sword are: NDXOXCHWDRGHDXORVI

I do agree the cross bares resemblance to the Templar cross, but what of the additional markings associated with the cross on the sword? Different divisions of Templar had variations to the cross, like the Jerusalem cross for example, but I haven't seen one with just the two lines. (SEE EDIT)

Even then, the ND still lands under a reference to Our Lord as the Templar Motto was Psalms 115:1 (Nobis Domine, or Us Lord)

I don't think the name Jesus is there, but obviously the reference seems to be there unless you want to point me in how you came to that conclusion?

I am leaning towards "My/Our Lord Of/Over SOMETHING Orvi"

Due to my history with the Celtic Isles, I am sticking hard to Orvi being a name, and if this is a Templar sword, that would make perfect sense in that Orvis has it's history right around the Crusades, and specifically King Richards army:

Source

The first recorded spelling of the family name is shown to be that of Richard Oras. This was dated 1312, in the tax rolls known as the Feet of Fines for Essex, during the reign of King Edward 11nd of England, 1307 - 1327.

Read more: www.surnamedb.com...

And like I said, I recognize the name as a Scottish name.

Edit: I found reference to the lines, which mean OPEN and CLOSE, so i am guessing those are markers for the start and end of a statement, further reinforcing my idea that this is a sentence of some kind and the X's are spaces.

a reply to: Domo1
On the 3th of August 2015, the British Library has appealed for help in cracking an enigmatic inscription on a mysterious medieval blade. The double-edged sword, which is on loan from the British Museum (until Tue 1 Sep 2015), was found in Lincolsnhire's River Witham in 1825 and bears a peculiar inscription that to date nobody has been able to decipher. Interpreting medieval sword inscriptions is like trying to crack a mysterious code. On the 10th of August Prof. C. Rossi (University of Zurich) has suggested an interesting interpretation of the inscription: www.academia.edu...

a reply to: raymundoko

Like I said I don't know, just my two cents. Maybe, it's «Jesus, behold Caesuria!» as in Caesaristan or Caesariland, with hints to Caesarian descent and the place Caesarea Philippi perhaps and a Son of Caesar, for the theme of the speech Jesus holds is «Who do people say that the Son of Man is?» Now Julius Caesar saw himself as the Son of Mars, and Mars means Man, the symbol for it is the same as for male. I always said he was a son of the Caesars, thus a son of the gods, if I have a god or venerate any gods, Jesus is that god, or that link to the gods. Joseph his father was Caesarion, and his parents were Julius Caesar and Cleopathra Ptolomy. Mary Magdalen was Jesus' wife, and they had Elimas «Magus» barJesus and they were the Caesar's household referred to in the Catholic epistles. I think. Cain, Abel and Seth were also sons of Adam, or sons of men, but the only one who was also son of God, was Cain as firstborn he counted as God's son.

a reply to: leokouz

Well it looks like I was going down that persons same train of thought, but they disagree that Orvi is a name. I like their breakdown and explanation. Seems we came to the same general conclusion about the start of the inscription.

I agree it appears to be some type of prayer asking the lord to protect something. Those markings I mentioned previously also mean beginning and end, which could indicate the beginning and end of a prayer.

Puzzle pieces seem to be falling into a place confirming this is a Templar sword.

a reply to: raymundoko

One of the C is upside down, and i see a U not an R

M = 1000
DUC = To lead

Very cool sword and thread.

Freyr, the son of Njordhr, one day had seated himself on
Hlidhskjalf and looked over all the worlds. To sit upon Hlidhskjalf
was forbidden to all but Odhinn and Frigg, by Odhinn's decree.
Then saw he in the world of Etins a fair maiden as she went from
the hall of her father to her bower. And that sight made him
heavy of heart. Skirnir was the name of Freyr's servitor. Njordhr
bade him to make Freyr speak out.


Arise now, Skirnir, and ready make thee
to summon my son,
and find out this from the wise youth,
whom he doth hate.

For waspish words I well may look,
if I summon thy son
to find out this from the wise youth,
whom he doth hate.

Wilt tell me, Freyr, foremost among Gods,
and answer me as I ask:
Why sittest thou lonely, my Lord, all day
with heavy heart in thy hall?

How tell thee my yearning, oh youth, as thou wishest--
Why heavy my heart?
The alf's beam shineth all these long days,
but lighter groweth not my longing.

Thy heart's not so heavy, I hold, but thou mayest
open it to another;
for in days of yore we young were together:
truly thou mightest trust me.

From on high I beheld in the halls of Gymir
a maiden to my mind;
her arms did gleam, their glamor filled
all the sea and the air.

This maiden is to me more dear
than maiden to any man;
but Aesir and alfs all will have it
that strangers ay we stay.

(In my behalf her hand shalt ask,
and home bring her hither,
her father let or allow it:
good shall thy reward shall be.)

Thy steed then lend me to lift me o'er wyrrd
ring of flickering flame,
the sword also that swings itself
against the tribe of trolls.

My steed I lend thee to lift thee o'er wyrrd
ring of flickering flame,
the sword also which swings itself,
if wise he who wields it.

Night it is now, now we shall fare
over moist mountains,
to the thurse's throng;
scatheless we both shall 'scape their might,
or else both be o'erborne by the Etins.

Skirnir rode to Jotunheimr and to Gymir's hall. There were savage
dogs tied to the gate of the enclosure about Gerdh's bower.
Skirnir hailed a shepherd sitting upon a hill.


Say thou, shepherd, sitting on hill,
who dost watch all ways:
how win I the welcome of the winsome maid
through the grim hounds of Gymir?

Whether art thou doomed, or dead already,
(in the stirrup who standest)?
Never shalt thou win the welcome to have
of the good daughter of Gymir.

Ne'er a whit will whine, whatso betide,
who is eager on errand bent;
my fate is foretold me to the time of a day,
allotted is all my life.

What outcry and uproar within out courts
hear I now, handmaid?
The earth doth shake and all my father
Gymir's high halls.

By his steed here stands a stranger youth,
unbridles and baits him;
(He wishes, I ween, welcome to have
from the good daughter of Gymir).

Bid to my bower the bold-minded come,
to meet me and drink our mead;
though far from us, I fear me, is not
my brother's banesman

Whether art of the alf's or Aesir come,
or art thou a wise Van?
Through furious fire why farest alone
to behold our halls?

Neither alf am I, nor Aesir come
nor a wise Van;
through furious fire yet fared I alone
to behold your halls.

Apples of Youth have I all golden;
to thee, Gerdh, I shall give them,
to hear from thy lips thou lovest Freyr,
and deemest him dearest to thee.

The Apples of Youth not e'er shall I take
to do any wight's will;
nor shall I ever with Njordhr's son Freyr
dwell while our lives do last.

Draupnir, the ring, then thy dowry shall be,
which with Baldr was burned;
eight rings as dear will drop from it
every ninth night.

Draupnir, the ring, I do not want,
though it with Baldr was burned;
gold I lack not in Gymir's halls,
to deal out daily.

This mottled blade, dost, maiden, see it
which here I hold in my hand?
Thy haughty head I hew from thy neck
but thou yield thy love to the youth.

Nor gold nor sword will gain it over me
any wight's will to do;
if Gymir, my father, did find thee here,
fearless warrior, ye would fight to the death.

This mottled blade, dost, maiden, see it
which here I hold in my hand?
Before its edge the Etin falls,
and is thy father fey.

With this galdrwand bewitch thee I shall,
my will, maiden, to do;
where the sons of men will see thee no more,
thither shalt thou!

On eagle-hill shalt ever sit,
aloof from the world, lolling toward Hel.
To thee men shall be more loathsome far
than to mankind the slimey wyrm.

An ugly sight, when out thou comest,
even Hrimnir will stare at and every hind glare at,
more widely known than the warder of Gods,
and shalt gape through the gate.

Shalt drivel and dote, and drag through life,
with salt tears shalt sorrow;
shalt sit as I say, with sadness heavy,
feel twofold torment
with heavy heart.

Imps shall nip thee, all the long days
thou art with the Etins;
to Rime Thurses' hall shalt hobble all days,
cringe under curse,
cringe under care.
For play shall weeping thy pastime be:
live a loathly life with tears!

With three-headed thurse, thwarted, thou shalt live,
or else unwedded be;
lust shall lash thee,
weakness waste thee:
be like the thistle which is thrust under,
when the harvest is harbored.

To the woods I wended, to the wet forest,
a galdrwand me to make,
and a galdrwand I made me.

Thou hast angered Odhinn, the uppermost God;
Freyr will frown on thee,
thou wicked wench! Woe betide thee,
thou hast the great God's wrath.

Hear ye rime thurses, her ye etins,
ye sons of Settung, all ye sibs of the Aesir:
how I forbid, how I debar
men's mirth to the maid,
men's love to the maid.

Hrimgrimnir is hight who shall have thee, a thurse,
Niflhelheimr beneath:
there, slavering slaves shall serve thee 'neath tree roots
with staling of stinking goats.
No other drink shalt ever get,
wench at thy will,
wench at my will!

A 'thurs' rune [Thurisaz] for thee, and three more I scratch:
lechery, loathing, and lust;
off I shall scratch them, as on I did scratch them,
if of none there be need.

Hail, rather, hero, and hold to thy lips
this crystal cup with mead;
though hardly thought I that hence I should fare,
to be a Van's wife.

My errand I would know altogether,
ere hence I ride home.
When art minded to meet the strong one,
and welcome the wise son of Njordhr?

Barri is hight, as both we know,
for true love a trysting glade.
after nights nine to Njordhr's son there
will Gerdh grant her love.

Then rode Skirnir home. Freyr stood without and greeted him and
asked him what tidings he brought:

Say now, Skirnir, ere thou unsaddled the steed
and set one foot foreward:
what errand bringest thou from Jotunheimr,
of mark for thee or me?

Barri is hight, as both we know,
for true love a trysting glade.
after nights nine to Njordhr's son there
will Gerdh grant her love.

Long is a night, longer are two--
how shall I thole three?
Shorter to me a month oft seemed,
than part of this night of pining.

"if wise be he who wields it

a reply to: yulka

I am confused by your posts. Are you suggesting these are Norse Runes? They aren't even remotely similar to Runes. They are Alphabetic and appear to be structured in a Germanic way (E.G. English, Welsh etc.)

a reply to: yulka

You think the letter between D and G is a U and that the G is an upside down C? So DUC?

Why would two random letters be upside down? Also, where did you get that DUC=To Lead? One of the languages I speak is French and Duc means Duke (I.E. Duke of Whereverville).

a reply to: raymundoko

Where is the G? The C after H is upside down if you look at how they are written.

I'm sitting with a hermitic book about linguistics.

a reply to: yulka

The C before the H? A Hermetic book? Which one?

Why would only certain letters be upside down?

By that reasoning the entire section between X's should be upside down meaning it would become GHMDUCHD which makes even less sense than it did before.

So seems you guys are right,

something like this. Baldr, son of Odin, lead 1000 years of mankind, chariot ride into the sun.

Its just another paralell to Jesus, but in norse mythology.

However there isnt a definite translation, it also says sacrifice. But it could be translated into, he who sacrificed for the gift of vision, and in norse mythology, its odin. The son is probably Baldr, son of Odin. Reference points, Jesus, apollo, chariot, ride, sun. M = 1000 DUC leader.

The Sword is named Mistelten,

Baldr:s brother Höder, killed Baldr in blindrage in battle.
The Curse is a bloodfeud, and a riddle, the riddle is the inscription i believe.

Hermets having fun, arent you.

a reply to: yulka

Are there other swords where we know what they say from that era?