"Because I exist," you must surrender your merits and achievements...

a reply to: burdman30ott6

The more you choke out the poor, the more they turn to illicit ways to make money to survive. IE selling drugs, prostitution, crime, etc. Just saying.

originally posted by: enlightenedservant

originally posted by: projectvxn
In the America you describe, which is accurate, this post will be considered "Heartless" and "demeaning to the poor".

My challenge to those that CAN, BUT WON'T DO, is this:

If you have minimum skills...You get minimum pay and benefits.

What are "minimum skills" in a market based economy? You can make millions of dollars by putting a soccer ball in a net. That doesn't even require knowing how to read. However most teachers in actual colleges & universities make crap wages because of the whole "adjunct professor" scam. And someone else can graduate from that college with a bachelor's or master's degree; but if there are no job openings, they won't even be able to make minimum wage.

Anyone can put a ball in a net, true. But could you go out and beat LeBron James at one on one? I think not.

What it takes to be elite level athletic talent is off the charts. Only a few can reach it and because we value highly the entertainment of watching those talents in action, the market supports what they are paid to use those talents.

Minimum skills are the basic ones it takes to hold down a job. They are the very basic jobs, the ones where pretty much all you have to do is show up on time and you're most of the way to being successful at them. Those jobs don't measure the skills you have, only the skills required for the job. A rocket scientist could do them, and they would still only be paid for the skills required for the job. LeBron James could do them, and HE would still only be paid for the skills used for the job.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: burdman30ott6

The more you choke out the poor, the more they turn to illicit ways to make money to survive. IE selling drugs, prostitution, crime, etc. Just saying.

Maybe they could do what the rest of the responsible world does?

Take some ownership and improve themselves. Most of the poor we are complaining about are the ones who dropped out of school, not because they couldn't do it but because they thought they were too cool for it. They make other similar bad choices in life.

Instead of continually subsidizing them and their children who will only learn the very same bad habits and continue the cycle, why don't we try something else?

originally posted by: ketsuko
Maybe they could do what the rest of the responsible world does?

Take some ownership and improve themselves.

Which is a good point.

Unless most the middle class jobs are being shipped off overseas or being phased out.


Fix the economy and ensure a plentiful supply of middle class jobs. That way only the real lazy and stupid have a excuse to sit on welfare.

Let's blame the poor! Blame them for not having the working opportunities pass generations had!

Let's talk about entitlement...

We humans have been on earth for thousands and thousands of years and our good willed elders probably said to themselves : "I hope future generations won't suffer this much."
Survivalism is something under-evolved civilizations would do, I don't see how with all our technological advancements and knowledge of the world that people would still focus on survival.
Shouldn't we have evolved enough so that no one is without basic needs?

Well, we should but some still have that conservative mentality that should of stayed in the woods. The animal mentality of what's mine is mine, I worked for it, you work for yours.
It's too bad this mentality still lives on, forgetting that our fathers worked for a better future, forgetting the paved roads, forgetting the whole system that our elders have built...the mentality of, once making it in life and then thinking : "It was all me".

Some people in the world will never work a day in their lives and make more in a month that we working humans make in our whole lives, but they aren't the problem! No, the poor, victims of an economically broken world, are to blame. Yes, they are the ones that asked for no opportunity to better themselves! Sarcasm.

Well I surely hope our future generations are ENTITLED to have a place to live, food to eat, free education, free health and the opportunity to work in what makes them happy, feel complete and rewarding. I don't have this stupid backwards mentality of :"They don't deserve what I worked for, they need to suffer too, boohoo."

We need to stop thinking like animals and understand that the problems don't come from the poor but from the rich peoples decisions...but it's much easier kicking people when they are down while thinking you are so much better then they are because you slave for the man.

I see of people justifying lowering my standard of living.
I see of people justifying taking from me and mine.

They call it economic justice.

I wonder what will happen after they have successfully taken from the wealthy and the successful.

Who will they go after then?

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: burdman30ott6

The more you choke out the poor, the more they turn to illicit ways to make money to survive. IE selling drugs, prostitution, crime, etc. Just saying.

Maybe they could do what the rest of the responsible world does?

Take some ownership and improve themselves. Most of the poor we are complaining about are the ones who dropped out of school, not because they couldn't do it but because they thought they were too cool for it. They make other similar bad choices in life.

Sure they COULD do that, and we would LIKE them to do that, but let's look at reality instead. Many don't do that. Also, if you've explored most legal forms of making money and found them all wanting, there isn't much left besides crime if you don't want to end up living on the street.

Instead of continually subsidizing them and their children who will only learn the very same bad habits and continue the cycle, why don't we try something else?

Like what? Got any solutions?

I understand your rant. I dont blame the welfare abusers. I blame the one who takes from me and gives to them so they can abuse. Money is the real problem. Humans need money like they need air. I really hate money it causes so much conflict in the human race. Keeps us divided and held back as a species. People think its greed but greed is only a symptom of money. I dont know the way but the way we are going as a people is sad.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
Like what? Got any solutions?

Does taking a noninterventionist position and allowing Social Darwinism space to do its natural thing count as a solution?

An effective parasite doesn't bleed it's host dry as it will lose it's meal. The people (NOT ALL PEOPLE) that milk the system will ultimately win as they would have never been approved if the system wasn't fixed for the purpose of enslaving people to their host...ummmm...government. But who should really be pissed are the ones who need assistance. They should be turning in the criminals right and left to save the system from failure. They aren't.

This is again an example of groups policing themselves. Muslim groups, poor groups, black groups, etc., etc., etc. If you are part of any group and allow others within your group to hurt your group...you are just as guilty as those committing those crimes. An anonymous call...a whispered word to a police officer or a note telling those in the system when there is a problem.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
Like what? Got any solutions?

Does taking a noninterventionist position and allowing Social Darwinism space to do its natural thing count as a solution?

So anyone that falls on hard times your happy to let them die on the street like a third world country?

I am for scaling back wellfare and think my own countrys going in the right direction with it now.

But i still think there needs to be a short term saftey net for those in real need and long term help for those truely disabled.

originally posted by: Prisoner60863
I understand your rant. I dont blame the welfare abusers. I blame the one who takes from me and gives to them so they can abuse. Money is the real problem. Humans need money like they need air. I really hate money it causes so much conflict in the human race. Keeps us divided and held back as a species. People think its greed but greed is only a symptom of money. I dont know the way but the way we are going as a people is sad.

AMEN!

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
Like what? Got any solutions?

Does taking a noninterventionist position and allowing Social Darwinism space to do its natural thing count as a solution?

So anyone that falls on hard times your happy to let them die on the street like a third world country?

I am for scaling back wellfare and think my own countrys going in the right direction with it now.

But i still think there needs to be a short term saftey net for those in real need and long term help for those truely disabled.

Why does it need to be the responsibility of government?

Are we, as a culture, so morally bankrupt, that we can't take care of our own?

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
Like what? Got any solutions?

Does taking a noninterventionist position and allowing Social Darwinism space to do its natural thing count as a solution?

So anyone that falls on hard times your happy to let them die on the street like a third world country?

I am for scaling back wellfare and think my own countrys going in the right direction with it now.

But i still think there needs to be a short term saftey net for those in real need and long term help for those truely disabled.

Agreed! But a safety net is meant to keep people from hitting bottom...or dying. Food, water, etc...not cable internet, free phones and a supplement to their cash based salary that allows the fraud.

a reply to: beezzer

We can...government doesn't allow it. They want to be "Mommy and Daddy" to the people so they depend upon the government and therefore, don't turn on the government. But I know YOU know that. Just wanted to state it for others

originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
Like what? Got any solutions?

Does taking a noninterventionist position and allowing Social Darwinism space to do its natural thing count as a solution?

So anyone that falls on hard times your happy to let them die on the street like a third world country?

I am for scaling back wellfare and think my own countrys going in the right direction with it now.

But i still think there needs to be a short term saftey net for those in real need and long term help for those truely disabled.

Agreed! But a safety net is meant to keep people from hitting bottom...or dying. Food, water, etc...not cable internet, free phones and a supplement to their cash based salary that allows the fraud.

I 100% agree with that.

It should be the bare minimum to get them by until they can get another job.

Exception is disability as there should be more leway there but the crtiria should be stricter.

originally posted by: beezzer

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
Like what? Got any solutions?

Does taking a noninterventionist position and allowing Social Darwinism space to do its natural thing count as a solution?

So anyone that falls on hard times your happy to let them die on the street like a third world country?

I am for scaling back wellfare and think my own countrys going in the right direction with it now.

But i still think there needs to be a short term saftey net for those in real need and long term help for those truely disabled.

Why does it need to be the responsibility of government?

Are we, as a culture, so morally bankrupt, that we can't take care of our own?

Just look at how other countrys treat the poor.

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: beezzer

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
Like what? Got any solutions?

Does taking a noninterventionist position and allowing Social Darwinism space to do its natural thing count as a solution?

So anyone that falls on hard times your happy to let them die on the street like a third world country?

I am for scaling back wellfare and think my own countrys going in the right direction with it now.

But i still think there needs to be a short term saftey net for those in real need and long term help for those truely disabled.

Why does it need to be the responsibility of government?

Are we, as a culture, so morally bankrupt, that we can't take care of our own?

Just look at how other countrys treat the poor.

I don't care how other country's treat the poor.

Other countrys also have a high tax rate and different styles of government.

Apparently, it's okay to abdicate personal responsibility, abdicate taking care of those with less, in our society.

We're a society of selfish bastards who want to keep what is ours, or take what someone else has, because they have more.

And any "moral" obligation has been left to the one thing that is definitely amoral.

Government.

originally posted by: beezzer

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: beezzer

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
Like what? Got any solutions?

Does taking a noninterventionist position and allowing Social Darwinism space to do its natural thing count as a solution?

So anyone that falls on hard times your happy to let them die on the street like a third world country?

I am for scaling back wellfare and think my own countrys going in the right direction with it now.

But i still think there needs to be a short term saftey net for those in real need and long term help for those truely disabled.

Why does it need to be the responsibility of government?

Are we, as a culture, so morally bankrupt, that we can't take care of our own?

Just look at how other countrys treat the poor.

I don't care how other country's treat the poor.

Other countrys also have a high tax rate and different styles of government.

Apparently, it's okay to abdicate personal responsibility, abdicate taking care of those with less, in our society.

We're a society of selfish bastards who want to keep what is ours, or take what someone else has, because they have more.

And any "moral" obligation has been left to the one thing that is definitely amoral.

Government.

No thats not my point.

I meant look at countrys with zero saftey nets and how the poor fair.

Not very well as they are all third world country's.

There needs to be a minimum short term net for the unenemployed and a net for the truely disabled or your opening a new level of poverty in the USA.

You really want people donating to a feed the americans foundation? And being the joke of the developed world? The USA better than that.

Sure your wefare state is getting out of control and needs cutting back, but there needs to be reason here.

a reply to: crazyewok

If we no longer have the capacity to take care of those in need, ourselves, then we have no right being here.