NASA Camera Shows Moon Crossing Face of Earth (Epic Dark Side of Moon images)

a reply to: Bobaganoosh
Sorry it makes no sense to you, but the lens (or more precisely, the focal length) is the answer. Ever tried taking a photo of the Moon with a phone or compact camera (without the huge zoom provided by the newer models)? The Moon will look tiny in such photos. Compare that with photos of the Moon taken though telephoto lens (like the one posted here a few posts up).

The OPs image is not just from some telephoto lens either; that camera is basically a 12-inch reflecting telescope, with the field of view of just 0.61 degrees: www.nesdis.noaa.gov...

In comparison, a telephoto lens with 1200 mm focal length (which is very powerful by the photography standards) provides an approx 2-degree field of view.

Well, by the looks of all the defending and geek speak from the NASA boys, and the fact that the picture shouldn't fool a four year old, I will declare it fake.

Before you respond, be sure to tread lightly and realize that you don't know anything more than anyone. Which one of you has been to space? That's right, none of you. So while you are great at explaining fantasy machines to the masses, let them decide for themselves. No need to be so absolute.

I for one am on the side that pretty much everything NASA does is a farce in regards to space photography. This picture, imo, may be the silliest of all.

It's a fake. And no silly rebuttal from you NASA guys or the ones who worship science and authority will change my mind. In fact, the harder you try the more an agenda is revealed.

NASA

a reply to: IwillbeHONEST

No point conversing with you If you already have made your mind up and refuse any opposing viewpoint to yours then is there?.
Zealotry attitude you have there.
Oh and we are to take your view because of? because I see nothing but opinion in your post no facts or anything.

originally posted by: IwillbeHONEST
And no silly rebuttal from you NASA guys or the ones who worship science and authority will change my mind.

That's ok, we can live with that. I just hope that you can accept that some people know a bit more about various subjects than other people. For example, amateur astronomers know a lot more about optics and imaging techniques than perhaps you and me. Even the "mysterious machines" in space have to obey the laws of optics and their limitations.

Arguments for or against something as technical as these images hold more water when the actual technicalities are mentioned. Saying "it looks fake to me" will remain just your (uninformed) opinion.

a reply to: boymonkey74

It would be nice to have a conversation here. One that's critical of these photos. If you've read the thread, anyone that is has been sharply redirected back to the NASA theme and basically handed falsehoods.

Someone earlier said: "on the moon the background will appear much clearer because of no atmospheric disturbance"

In theory, correct. In Apollo photo record, lmao.



The mountains look 2-D and like a back drop in every photo and are extemely void of detail. But I bet you believe them. You come off as the cheerleader type. No offense

a reply to: wildespace

Perfect example. "listen to me everyone, I'm the informed one. I know these photos are real"

Nope, you are looking at the same thing as us. You just happen to have read deeper into the fairy tale. Yes, you are more informed about something that's not happening.

Why would you come to a conspiracy site and spam it with geek speak? This site used to promote good philospohical discussion where members were humble enough to question things and authority. Now, it's full of "experts" who cloud a thread acting as the enlightend ones. This thread is a perfect example.

But keep pretending everyone is ignorant. You're the expert. We all have to believe you.

a reply to: IwillbeHONEST

And the award for "Most Staggeringly Ignorant Post on ATS" goes to...

How about you detail exactly how you know these images are fake. Insulting others and making hollow claims doesn't count, it only emphasises the weakness of your position.

a reply to: IwillbeHONEST

"The mountains look 2-D and like a back drop in every photo and are extemely void of detail."

Lol!! That's your rebuttal? You have to be a troll, I can't believe someone can be that ignorant.

a reply to: Bloodydagger

I'm glad we get to see the side of the moon facing us, it's much more interesting than just the grey ball shown on the OP. I feel sorry for the people who live on Bizarro Earth, who have to look at that all day.

originally posted by: IwillbeHONEST

The mountains look 2-D and like a back drop in every photo and are extemely void of detail. But I bet you believe them. You come off as the cheerleader type. No offense

And we should believe you why?

There are details in those apollo photos that are confirmed by Japan, China and India. Your lack of knowledge in terms of what they show doesn't discredit them.

Conversations are a two way thing, and tou don't get to decide which part is important

Lmao, which one of you has been to space? None. Me neither. So, we are all on an even keel. I say it's fake and you pray to NASA.

That's where it will stall.

originally posted by: IwillbeHONEST
a reply to: wildespace

Perfect example. "listen to me everyone, I'm the informed one. I know these photos are real"

Nope, you are looking at the same thing as us. You just happen to have read deeper into the fairy tale. Yes, you are more informed about something that's not happening.

I'm only quoting articles and technical specifications from freely-available sources, as could anyone who wished to learn more or address their questions or issues.

Why would you come to a conspiracy site and spam it with geek speak?

Because the motto of ATS is "deny ignorance". I'm mostly participating in the Space Exploration forum, and when it comes to space, geekiness and technicality is a vital part of it.

This site used to promote good philospohical discussion where members were humble enough to question things and authority.

Ok, let's question authority. But, in my very humble opinion, to do that with any kind of weight, one needs to provide better arguments than "it looks fake to me", especially when it comes to technology, physics, and imaging techniques, as is the case with these space photos.

I'm all up for a discussion or debate on such topics, as long as the countering side brings up some valid arguments, something we can work with.

a reply to: wildespace

I appreciate your candor and politeness, sir. I just disagree with the "ignorance" meme being tossed around

a reply to: IwillbeHONEST

Problem you've got here is that you've joined a conspiracy site expecting it to be a place you can discuss conspiracies.

Does anybody else notice the strange break/clearing in the clouds close to the north pole?

I'm trying to attach a picture but I am having a hard time getting to my photo gallery.

a reply to: IwillbeHONEST

Odd logic you got there...

99% of people who work on space programs haven't been in space, I guess they don't know what they're doing or talking about either?

a reply to: and14263

If "discussing conspiracy theories" means making laughably ignorant claims without so much of a shred of supporting evidence then there is no net loss to humanity if such "discussions" aren't taken seriously.

The fact that this claimant is getting stars shows just how ridiculous the moon landing hoaxers arguments are.

a reply to: IwillbeHONEST

Were you there with the artists as these pictures were being faked? By your... ahem, "logic" this proves they weren't faked.

a reply to: GetHyped

I mean If any old tom dick or harry can send up a go pro camera up so far you would think the greatest minds on the planet can take a few pics of our planet and moon (which they have done so).
I just don't understand these deniers are they saying we can't do it? or If faked what are they hiding?.
Why even release a fake photo? just don't release any at all If they want to keep something secret.

Well, I am disappointed if I'm honest.

No alien motherships and no nazi moon bases.

But seriously, amazing pictures. Makes you feel like a little ant running around.