Bernie Sanders credibility with Left dooms Hillary

As Hilary leans further to the left in attempt to capture votes from Bernie Sanders she is losing her credibility. For those that read my OP you will see why Bernie Sanders an independent has chosen to run as a Dem, of course if you have ever watched third party politics you probably have a good idea as why he's running as a dem.

In the alternate scenario, the General Election would feature three candidates - Hillary, the Republican, and the independent Sanders. But the media would label the two-term independent US Senator from Vermont as a crackpot socialist, a third party whacko, a waste of a vote, and a spoiler. Even better for Hillary Clinton, she would fall into the damsel in distress character by being constantly attacked by two evil, crusty, white-haired, white men. She may even cry on national TV the day before the New Hampshire Primary again. But none of that will happen now, because Bernie Sanders outsmarted them.

Make no mistake - Bernie Sanders is infiltrating the Democratic Party for no other reason than to use it to run for President and have at least one candidate speaking for the 99 percent. History tells us that if he ran for President as an independent, he would need exponentially more ballot access petitions, not be on all 50 ballots, be excluded from the televised debates, be blacked-out by the media, and receive only 1% of the General Election vote. It would also allow Hillary to lump him in with the Republicans as anti-Democrat, anti-progressive, and anti-Hillary

But running against Hillary Clinton in the Democratic Primary eliminates all of those problems.

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The above was from May 2015, let's see what Sanders says in July:

Sanders: 'No question' I can beat Clinton

Sanders, who has climbed in the polls but has yet to overtake Clinton in the Democratic primary, argued that the more he delivers his liberal agenda — which hammers on income inequality and calls for a much stronger set of government policies to aid the public — the stronger his campaign gets.

“Every day we are doing better and better. We started off with a disadvantage, not a whole lot of people knew who I was. But every day I think there are more people who know who I am and what our program is,” he said. “As people hear that, they’re saying: Yeah, that’s the kind of program we need.”

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GO Bernie!!!

It wouldn't be the first time that an unknown came out of left field and knocked Hillary out of the running. This tells me that most vote for Hillary out of name recognition, but once they learn of a better alternative, they quickly jump ship.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
It wouldn't be the first time that an unknown came out of left field and knocked Hillary out of the running. This tells me that most vote for Hillary out of name recognition, but once they learn of a better alternative, they quickly jump ship.

The problem is nobody actually likes Hillary. She only polls well with women because she's a woman. I know that sounds reductionist and I'm not implying what some will, but at the end of the day, she's not done much for any American for a long time.

Then you have a laundry list of scandals and double speak that come out of her mouth and her Foundation. She's in a terrible place.

Considering the debates for the DNC will be less than 5 people I imagine, she's not going to be able to argue Bernie into the ground. He has no scandals, an almost perfect voting record.

He polls well with every demographic basically and he's an old established white Dude. That in itself is pretty impressive.

And you always know they are afraid when they refuse to cover the candidate who is surging in the polls. Even progressive publications are giving Trump more airtime than Bernie.

It's downright shameful. But as for Hilary, she's not going to make very far in the primaries I don't think. She might do well in Iowa, but anywhere else Bernie is going to take her for a run I think.

~Tenth

I think the tide is turning for women. There are 9 democrat women on my FB who going to see him in Vancouver.

a reply to: tothetenthpower

I agree with your points about Hillary; I would have said the same things if I had fleshed out my response a bit better. I've said for a while now that Hillary collects scandals like you or I would collect baseball cards.

As for your predictions, I hope you are right. I'm still worried that Bernie will end up like the Democrat version of Ron Paul. Popular among the people, but kicked out of the race because he isn't popular among the establishment. Though, if I can, I'll vote for him. I just have to wait until after until the general election since I'm not a registered Democrat.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: tothetenthpower

I agree with your points about Hillary; I would have said the same things if I had fleshed out my response a bit better. I've said for a while now that Hillary collects scandals like you or I would collect baseball cards.

As for your predictions, I hope you are right. I'm still worried that Bernie will end up like the Democrat version of Ron Paul. Popular among the people, but kicked out of the race because he isn't popular among the establishment. Though, if I can, I'll vote for him. I just have to wait until after until the general election since I'm not a registered Democrat.

Agreed.

Big business wants nothing to do with Bernie and they'll pull out the big guns to ensure he doesn't get the nomination.

Hillary has proven that she can be bought by just about anyone so she's a lobbyist's wet dream.

Considering the head of the DNC, Debbie Wasserman Schultz can't even articulate the difference between socialists and Democrats, I'd say Bernie is a legit Democrat candidate.

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a reply to: Answer

Bernie will gain popularity in the Dems debates, if Sanders does not get nominated as a dem, he will / or could then run as an independent. His running as an independent would end Hilary's chance to be elected, by splitting the votes.

So the big conspiracy would be Sanders suddenly falling dead, then Hilary or another corporate would win.

I really wonder who Sanders will pick for VP, that could make a huge difference on how the election goes.

originally posted by: AlaskanDad
Bernie will gain popularity in the Dems debates, if Sanders does not get nominated as a dem, he will / or could then run as an independent. His running as an independent would end Hilary's chance to be elected, by splitting the votes.

Unless Trump runs an independent as well.

A Bush, Clinton, Sanders, Trump four way run would make for great theater. All we would need at that point is Andre the Giant sitting on some midgets while Super Fly comes off the top rope.

originally posted by: AlaskanDad
a reply to: Answer

Bernie will gain popularity in the Dems debates, if Sanders does not get nominated as a dem, he will / or could then run as an independent. His running as an independent would end Hilary's chance to be elected, by splitting the votes.

Yea, but in such a situation, what would happen is we'd get a Republican candidate as the President and the only two candidates I can stomach are Rand Paul and Jeb Bush. Rand because he has SOME libertarian ideals like his dad and Bush because he's a moderate, but to be honest, I don't really like either of those two options.

a reply to: AlaskanDad

Hilary stands no chance against Bernie

Or any LIVING human for that matter

a reply to: tothetenthpower

That's not actually true.

Hillary received more votes than Obama during the primaries. And won more congressional districts.

It's not the people who dislike Hillary. It's entrenched interests that dislike her.

Although the official scenario is that Hillary was beat by an outsider. It's not true. Obama had more institutional support. And more traditional backing.

The Obama campaign rigged caucuses. And then got the press to value them in a way they'd never been valued before.

This doesn't make Hillary a good person. But the notion that she has no support with the public is just plain wrong.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Now there is something I dream about, Trump and Sanders both running as independents, then there would definitely be a chance of an independent winning a US of A presidential election. One can only imagine the fear that would put into the two major political parties.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

If Bernie doesn't run in the election I will not be voting dem or rep.

I think Bernie knows he will not have another shot at the presidency.

a reply to: AlaskanDad

Yea me neither. Someone posted that link in a previous Bernie thread where you can fill out the survey and it compares you how you stand against all the presidential candidates and it put me at 92% aligned with Bernie and the second place person was Hillary at 72% and then Paul at 67%. So if Bernie doesn't run, there isn't anyone left who would really represent me.

Politics is a dirty game, let the fun begin!

Martin O'Malley Ad Hits Not Hillary Clinton -- But Bernie Sanders?

Well, in the mixed-up world of presidential politics, where it’s sometimes not entirely clear whether candidates are running for president or jockeying for the vice presidential nod, O’Malley’s Super PAC on Thursday released an ad slamming not Hillary Clinton — but fellow underdog Bernie Sanders.

The ad, released by O’Malley’s Super PAC, Generation Forward, is one of the first ads released on behalf of O’Malley’s campaign. It labels Sanders “no progressive when it comes to guns.” The commercial flashes headlines from online news articles calling Sanders a “gun nut.” In a message about the anti-Sanders ad, the pro-O’Malley PAC explained on Facebook, “You can’t claim to soak the fat boys and exempt the profiteers in the gun industry.”

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a reply to: Moresby

I think Hilary lost quite a bit of support as S.O.S. and she garnered a lot of bad press during that time. My self I have not met IRL a single Hilary supporter, it seems Dems at ATS are not overly supportive of her either.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

If you and I were up the corporate ladder and greedy there would be lots of great candidates, but Bernie is the only candidate for those of us that are the un-incorporated types.

originally posted by: Greg987
a reply to: AlaskanDad



Hilary stands no chance against Bernie



Or any LIVING human for that matter

I am I the only one who has noticed tehe difference between Hillary and Bernie when it comes to answering some of the basic questions facing our country.

Hillary will tell you what she has suggested, or done, in the past and dance around giving an actual answer.

Bernie may not have the answer to all the problems but he will atleast let you know he is awear of them, and he is ready to start working on solutions.

a reply to: AlaskanDad

People said the same kind of things about Nixon. But in 1972 he won 49 states. That was the first presidential election after the voting age had been changed to 18. And Nixon even won the youth vote.

And to prove those vote weren't just about an ideological shift, all you need to do is look down ticket. He didn't have long coattails.

They were voting for Nixon. Not for the Republicans.