Britain and Immigration - Ignorance is Bliss

originally posted by: MrCrow
a reply to: Korg Trinity

Mind you, if you read London's Evening Standard, they're so pro Europe it's nauseating.

Edit: spelling

What will be hilarious is the moment all those migrant workers in London realize they don't get a say in the referendum.... only the British get to vote... it will be Hilarious

a reply to: Korg Trinity

Yeah that decision by the government made me smile rather smugly at a few EU nationals I know working here who had previously told me they were going to vote Yes to stay in.
Even funnier was the SNP bitching that they had allowed EU votes in the Scottish referendum so the UK should do the same, unlucky Sturgeon, lol.

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: Korg Trinity

Hmm, maybe, but if there is an overwhelming vote "Yes EU" in Scotland then that could spark a referendum for them to leave the UK, then our weakest link in our EU border will be Scotland.
What happens then? A new Hadrians wall/electric fence?

Lots of if's, but not out of the question.
Interesting times ahead in the next year or so, that's for sure.

Scotland represents just 8.3% of the UK population. If in the future they voted yes to go independent then they would have no choice but to join the euro as we would not allow them to use sterling.

And yes absolutely if they did then we would need to have boarder controls to ensure there wasn't a leakage.

I wouldn't put it past the Scottish to do this, even though it would spell the end of Scotland, they would do anything to spite the English.

I have arrived at the shores of UK almost 30 years ago . In those days , if you wanted to travel the world , London was one of the destinations that one would go to work and earn a bit of money . There was no visa requirements to enter UK in those days .
Anyhow , my intentions were to work some 6 months in London and move on to other countries . After I had settled down in London , I have replied to a local advert , looking for an admin manager in a textile factory . Upon arriving , I had impressed the owners sufficently and was offered a job on the spot .
They gave me a job in an office and it was a nice job where I got to show my skills .

Slowly but surely I started to make friends and being a young man , begun to enjoy my life in London .

Long story short , I fell in love with an English girl and got married in 1989 and to this day I am still married with two grown children .

Life was easier , jobs were plenty to come by and if one wanted to improve oneself , the education was always a valid choice too . So I went back to univercity and completed my masters degree too .

Over the years , my life was OK , my children grew up while I was succesfully living my life .

I have never been a victim of racism or religionism in UK . My English family was totally loving towards me and accepted me as one their own . My children grew up in an all English environment and for all intents and purposes , they were/are English .

I became a British citizen and felt totally at ease with my life in UK .

Years have gone by and the refugee problems started to worry a lot of people . I myself have never been a refugee or an economic migrant . I understood the NIMBY's point of view as well as those of Liberal persuasion .

In my mind there was no solution to this conundrum ; people wanted to come to UK and I could understand why they would want to do that .

On the other hand I have watched the job market shrink and new comers from all around the world make their lives in UK , to the detriment of those who already were in UK .

In was inevitable , the whole system was set up so the infusion of new comers were needed . I remember talking to an expert about the situation of retirement funding of UK in 2020's and was told that the pensions will have to be raided unless if there was a solution .

In year 2013 , me, my wife , two grown kids and our dog moved out of UK and became expats .

We are currently in Istanbul and have a decent life which I can't overtly complain about .

I guess UK needs to have an economic growth of an unprecedented scale to cater for all these new comers . Open immigration is dangerous to local economies and to the social fabric of the society in general .

For example , one can see the Syrian beggars everywhere in Istanbul and can't help but feel pity for these people .
Approx. 2 million Syrians arrived in Turkey in the last 5 years and compare to UK ,this is a huge amount indeed .

I realised that the WORLD has a problem ; namely , EXODUS , the movement of the people which can't be stopped all together but ought to be managed somewhat .

There is no clear cut solution to immigration problem other then a ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT .


I feel sorry for people who yearn for the good old days .

Sometimes I feel like that too and feel sorry for myself too .

7 billion and counting ; we all need new horizons and the new world order will somewhat try to deliver that while enslaving everyone who partakes in it .

That is the sorry state of affairs imho and there is nothing much anyone can do about it .

my 2 pence .

a reply to: 23432

It is exactly people of your quality and ethics that clearly adds value to the country, and your experience reflected that I believe.

It wasn't Britain that made you who you are... it was Britain that gave you the opportunity to make something of yourself and you did.

Unfortunately people looking in see the life people lead in the UK and think that because they are EU citizens they have a RIGHT to that life without actually doing anything or the bare minimum to attain it.

You are a credit to yourself and will be missed as a British person!

Korg.

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: Korg Trinity

Hmm, maybe, but if there is an overwhelming vote "Yes EU" in Scotland then that could spark a referendum for them to leave the UK, then our weakest link in our EU border will be Scotland.
What happens then? A new Hadrians wall/electric fence?

Lots of if's, but not out of the question.
Interesting times ahead in the next year or so, that's for sure.

Haha
Build a 700 ft wall of ice manned by a army of celebrate weirdos dressed in black

OK I stole the idea from GOT

originally posted by: 23432
There is no clear cut solution to immigration problem other then a ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT

I disagree. 'One Europe' government just led to a situation where people refuse to claim asylum at their first safe nation, then are allowed to travel through the EU unhindered to get to their particular safe nation of choice.

The ones in Calais then discover that Britain actually has a border it is trying to defend, so they threaten drivers, slash the side curtains on lorries, criminally damage fences, and all in an attempt to illegally enter the UK, instead of claiming asylum in the other safe nations they passed through.

Nope, those folk who disregard the law in France are most certainly not welcome in the UK.
It is logical to assume that if they disregard criminal law in France (when they are no longer fleeing oppression) then will treat British law with similar contempt.

You can have your one world government, I'm happy living on an island nation with a population which does not support such ideas of relinquishing it's sovereignty.

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

The British have been complainin about immigration since the East Indian Tea company.

Not to mention this "complaint" about illegal immigrants on both sides of the Atlantic is most delicious.

originally posted by: cenpuppie
a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

The British have been complainin about immigration since the East Indian Tea company.

Not to mention this "complaint" about illegal immigrants on both sides of the Atlantic is most delicious.

Not true at all.. back then Immigrants were Slaves...

And if you somehow came in illegally, upon discovery you would be beaten to death by the local population.

originally posted by: 23432
There is no clear cut solution to immigration problem other then a ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT.

We already have a One World Government. It's called the UN.

The EU asylum policy and the UN failure to grasp with the migration from the middle east and north Africa has created a crisis on its own.

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: Korg Trinity

Hmm, maybe, but if there is an overwhelming vote "Yes EU" in Scotland then that could spark a referendum for them to leave the UK, then our weakest link in our EU border will be Scotland.
What happens then? A new Hadrians wall/electric fence?

Lots of if's, but not out of the question.
Interesting times ahead in the next year or so, that's for sure.

The SNP have painted a picture that the EU is popular in Scotland. I can assure you this is BS. I'm not saying we would all vote to leave but people have their reservations about the EU up here.

As long as the media keep asking SNP/Labour youth wings about Scotlands future in the EU we'll keep hearing the the same old cliched answers.

Britain deserves every immigrant they get. They have an obligation.

You wanted your empire, now you reap the benefits. All of the benefits, which includes immigrants.

originally posted by: XyZeR
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a reply to: TSOM87

Ah that's good to hear.
If I only listened to the SNP I'd assume a massive majority vote for EU membership in Scotland.
I do like to think the Scots are more canny than that though, or at least I hope so.

So because of the Empire we should all suffer now? is that it? Sorry dude but the doors swing both ways... we may have conquered two thirds of the world, but we also propagated modern society, the concept of democracy, justice, liberty, financial systems, global trade, Military defense. All were British inventions and all were spread to the four corners of the world by the empire.

Is this some kind of joke, or are you actually being serious? So the places Britain conquered didn't have militaries, didn't know how to trade, and didn't have financial systems? Democracy is a British invention? The British "invented" liberty and justice?

That empire was a mass plundering operation, plain and simple. All the empire did was force it's colonies into economic servility whilst robbing them blind. Britain may have built some modern infrastructure in these places, but it fell into disrepair soon after they left because there was no one to maintain it.

This sounds like some kind of satire to me. Either you're woefully ill-informed, or you are just joking. I still can't quite figure out which.

I don't understand why you put so much emphasis on that empire as a force of good. People like you didn't benefit from it much- the only real benefactors were a small cabal of London financiers (many of whom weren't even English, like your royal family).

originally posted by: Talorc
Britain deserves every immigrant they get. They have an obligation.

You wanted your empire, now you reap the benefits. All of the benefits, which includes immigrants.

I believe in Immigration, i have no problems with Immigrants comming here to start a new life or attend school. All i want in return is my Government to control our Immigration sensibly and that Immigrants make efforts in learning English and adopting to the British way of life.

If you read up on History in depth, you'll find out it wasn't the British people who where in control of the empire. It was Royaty and the upper classes who were the architects of it. We were back here building the resourses i.e Ships, Bridges, Railways for the empire and fighting in the front lines. We were used just like the natives of North America, India or Australia although not to the extreams as they were.

The point of my argument is, The British Government should be controlling Immigration policy into the UK, not the EU and that Immigration need to be brought down into the 10s of thousands not 250 thousand a year.

Nothing to do with Ideology, just common sense.

a reply to: Talorc

My, aren't you the emotional one, the empire is long gone, do you have the same feelings towards the Spanish, Portuguese, or even the French for that matter? How far back in time do you wanna go?

I'm neither proud or ashamed of the British empire, it had # all to me and by the time I was born all the major nations had achieved independence.

Right now, for whatever reasons, English is a major second language for most of the world and that is a big factor for migrants wishing the UK, and not France or Spain for example.
The UK could not take all those in the world who speak English as a second language and wish to leave their home country. That is clearly obvious when you do the numbers.

All international conventions of refugees and asylum seekers dictate that when a person is fleeing persecution they must claim asylum at their first safe country. Every EU nation is safe. The UK is the only one with a strongly defended border.
We are taking applications from anyone who makes it through the tunnel or over the channel, that is an obligation of the UK and it is meeting that.
The UK is not obligated to take migrants from safe nations such as France, so if you have a problem with that I suggest you petition your local political representative to get your government on the case of the UN so the rules change.

The UK is not required to take migrants from safe nations, and if the British empire is the reason for English being a second language in the world, so what?
The British empire had # all to do with me, so I only care about whatever the British government does right now.

Safe migrants refusing to claim asylum in France, slashing lorry side curtains, threatening drivers, criminally damaging fences, and disregarding French law in an attempt to illegally enter Britain? Nah, I and most of the country supports the government defending the border.
Unlucky. Mind you don't stain your shirt with that bleeding heart.

a reply to: grainofsand

I don't support any empires, especially not the modern sort. I just don't understand why the British empire is a focal point of your national pride. The Spanish and the Portuguese, from what I've seen, have a more detached view of their empires (not sure about the French). They don't obsess over them and make it a focal point of their nationalism.

You guys are just as bad as the Americans.

originally posted by: Talorc
a reply to: grainofsand

I don't support any empires, especially not the modern sort. I just don't understand why the British empire is a focal point of your national pride. The Spanish and the Portuguese, from what I've seen, have a more detached view of their empires (not sure about the French). They don't obsess over them and make it a focal point of their nationalism.

You guys are just as bad as the Americans.

You are just generalising though.
In my real life social circles I don't actually know anyone who gives much of a toss about the former empire.
Perhaps it is whichever media you are watching which influences your perception of the average person in the UK?

Pretty much everyone I know does not wish for the government to just open its border to anyone who makes it to the EU.
The majority I know also intend to vote us out of the EU in next years referendum, as I will.
What nation are you from, may I ask?

originally posted by: grainofsand

originally posted by: Talorc
a reply to: grainofsand

I don't support any empires, especially not the modern sort. I just don't understand why the British empire is a focal point of your national pride. The Spanish and the Portuguese, from what I've seen, have a more detached view of their empires (not sure about the French). They don't obsess over them and make it a focal point of their nationalism.

You guys are just as bad as the Americans.

You are just generalising though.
In my real life social circles I don't actually know anyone who gives much of a toss about the former empire.
Perhaps it is whichever media you are watching which influences your perception of the average person in the UK?

Pretty much everyone I know does not wish for the government to just open its border to anyone who makes it to the EU.
The majority I know also intend to vote us out of the EU in next years referendum, as I will.
What nation are you from, may I ask?

I'm from Turkmenistan.