Why I believe the Moon landings may have been faked

originally posted by: TruMcCarthy
I'm with Bill Clinton, most likely it was a hoax (My Life). I have looked at skeptics' evidence, and there is nothing there to disprove the moon landings (that I can tell anyway)- but I wouldn't expect anything less from Kubrick (and $25 billion). My main reason for skepticism is just the idea that we sent 7 missions to the moon (let's face it, that's an incredible distance) - all made it back with no one dead (including the 13 miracle) - 45 years ago, where nobody has come anywhere close since. We've seen the video of Armstrong crashing the test lander - is there any video of NASA actually getting that piece of junk to work? Then when I see the melancholy return presser, later on the cryptic statements of Aldrin, and how Armstrong became a recluse, it makes me raise an eyebrow. I have no evidence to suggest Apollo was a hoax, but hoax seems more plausible than sending and returning 20+ men to the moon. I think the movie "Interstellar" was right, the Russians were far more advanced in space travel than we were, so we had to make it seem like we had caught and passed them, hence the hoax.

A sound mind !

originally posted by: NowWhat

originally posted by: pfishy
a reply to: CB328

There ARE recent pictures of the various landing sites from the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter, though.

Photoshop.
Again

Photoshop ?

I would say, Microsoft Paint

Instead of listing a bunch of minutia that could have many explainations, why not just pick a big fact that wacks all of the little moles. The big fact is where did 800+ lbs of moon rocks come from, that had micro-meteorite craters on the sides that were facing up?. This cannot happen in Earth atmosphere. Why go further, if you cannot get by this monolith of reality.

a reply to: charlyv

I hope you're ready to explain the "Dutch Moon Rock", because someone is going to post about it. The hoax crowd can't choose one thing because then that thing gets picked apart and it's over. They'll come in, post multiple, decades debunked crap and then ignore all responses and claim victory. It's called the "White Noise" method.

originally posted by: captainpudding
a reply to: charlyv

I hope you're ready to explain the "Dutch Moon Rock", because someone is going to post about it. The hoax crowd can't choose one thing because then that thing gets picked apart and it's over. They'll come in, post multiple, decades debunked crap and then ignore all responses and claim victory. It's called the "White Noise" method.

I am ready, and sure many others are as well.
Perhaps the person that puts it up should be you!

They were absolutely faked. But that's only the tip of the iceberg. Where it gets really deep and crazy is when you finally figure out why they faked it. The truth about reality is too much for many people to handle because of cognitive dissonance. But if you seek the truth you'll find it, knock and the door will be opened to you. Are you willing to let go of everything you think is real in order to go out and seek truth? I'm sure that the gov will send trolls to bash this post in order to keep people in the dark but Edward Snowden has already told us they would so you don't have an excuse to buy into their wit and slander. They suppress the truth in unrighteousness. Our foundation stands sure.

a reply to: charlyv

I suppose you've handled these for yourself? No. You're taking someone else's word for it. You choose what you want to believe. It's so easy to trick people, magicians do it all the time and they don't even have to use photoshop or a cgi like our government usually does. It's very easy to get people to believe in that which they yearn to believe in. However it's hard to get people to believe in the truth if they don't like the way it feels. It's called cognitive dissonance. People want reality to be like star trek. Traveling through the cosmos meeting alien life along the way, that's the reality most people want to exist. Keep in mind the same government people accuse of hiding aliens is the same government they trust went to the moon. At the end of the day you are trusting what your government is telling you and showing you and that's a choice for you to make, and I don't hate you for your choice. Just remember this government is full of liars and people that desire power and control. Control over what? You and me, how do they accomplish this? By manipulating your mind into accepting a fabricated reality that they have built for you to live in. Their goal? To erase from our minds the truth about the existence of God and our unique place in creation. They do this through everything they teach you in their religious temples known as public schools aka government manufactured education systems. They want you to place your faith in what they call science instead of the truth. Because if they can get you to believe in science that you cannot verify with your own two eyes then they can manipulate your mind and mold it like clay in their hands. The evil people that used religion and faith to control the masses have found a modern alternative and that is false science that they train you to put your faith in. Keep seeking truth no matter the cost you will find it. I understand if you want to lash out in response to my post, I however just wanted to drop in and plant a seed I have no quarrel with you my friend I don't even know who you are.

originally posted by: Ove38

originally posted by: Xtrozero
"There is no way NASA would have created that back ground without it actually being the real moon."

No way ? What about a previous unmanned missions to the moon ?

I don't think any were mobile to take pictures from different angles. My point is the back grounds in these pictures are the moon, no doubt.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Ove38

originally posted by: Xtrozero
"There is no way NASA would have created that back ground without it actually being the real moon."

No way ? What about a previous unmanned missions to the moon ?

I don't think any were mobile to take pictures from different angles. My point is the back grounds in these pictures are the moon, no doubt.

My point is, some pictures from the moon, doesn't prove a person on the moon, took them.

a reply to: Ove38

Not even when the people in the photographs were observed taking off in a great big rocket and then made nice live TV broadcasts from the moon showing them taking the photographs with the surface details in?

originally posted by: onebigmonkey
a reply to: Ove38

Not even when the people in the photographs were observed taking off in a great big rocket and then made nice live TV broadcasts from the moon showing them taking the photographs with the surface details in?

You mean a massive rocket??

a reply to: Batousai

Interesting hypothesis, but do you have any kind of proof to back it up? Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny may be real, but until I see evidence stating otherwise I'm going to stick to my assumptions that they are not.

The moon landings are a hoax. This proves it:
i.imgur.com...

originally posted by: captainpudding
a reply to: Batousai

Interesting hypothesis, but do you have any kind of proof to back it up? Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny may be real, but until I see evidence stating otherwise I'm going to stick to my assumptions that they are not.

Proof...I didn't say I have proof. I have "evidence" that I choose to place my faith in. Just like you choose to place your faith in "evidence". Where is your proof? Have you flown up in a rocket ship to look and see for yourself? I think not. So in actuality you are placing your faith in what your government is telling you. It's all a matter of faith. I place my faith in the bible you place your faith in the government text books end of story.

a reply to: Batousai

They want you to place your faith in what they call science instead of the truth. Because if they can get you to believe in science that you cannot verify with your own two eyes then they can manipulate your mind and mold it like clay in their hands.

Science is not faith based, it is experience based. A decent education used to include laboratory courses in which students got to learn the basics of physics, chemistry, and biology by doing. Apparently, this is no longer the case because people come on here and argue that the lunar landing are a hoax because they don't understand how shadows work, they don't understand why a camera set to expose a sunlit scene properly won't record stars, they don't understand the difference between weight and momentum... it's frightening.

As for how I know the lunar landings were real? I know people who worked on the project; they certainly believe it was real. I've met some of the astronauts who made the voyage, and they have far more integrity than any of the deniers. I've even had the opportunity to examine some regolith in person, and I can assure you: it did not come from Earth.

a reply to: Batousai

Ok then. I'll rephrase my question: Interesting hypothesis, but do you have any kind of EVIDENCE to back it up? Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny may be real, but until I see evidence stating otherwise I'm going to stick to my assumptions that they are not.

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: Batousai


Science is not faith based, it is experience based. A decent education used to include laboratory courses in which students got to learn the basics of physics, chemistry, and biology by doing. Apparently, this is no longer the case because people come on here and argue that the lunar landing are a hoax because they don't understand how shadows work, they don't understand why a camera set to expose a sunlit scene properly won't record stars, they don't understand the difference between weight and momentum... it's frightening.

As for how I know the lunar landings were real? I know people who worked on the project; they certainly believe it was real. I've met some of the astronauts who made the voyage, and they have far more integrity than any of the deniers. I've even had the opportunity to examine some regolith in person, and I can assure you: it did not come from Earth.

Science is not faith based? You come on here and make these claims that you yourself examined some regolith in person and expect me and others to put our faith in what your telling me, I don't know you. You've met astronauts who made the voyage and they have more integrity...? Who are you to say how much integrity a person has when you don't know them personally? You can't...you have what is called faith, you have faith that person has integrity. Even if you did examine a regolith how do you know where it came from? You don't you didn't fly up to the moon and grab it yourself so again you place your faith in what you are being told. It could have came here on a meteorite or an asteroid you have no way of knowing because you weren't there, so it again comes back to faith. You can place your faith into whatever you want that's your choice I place my faith in what I choose. You know what's the easiest part of being a magician? Tricking people into believing something that's not true. It's one of the easiest things to do is to deceive someone. You can deceive someone with mere words, that's how easy it is. And the more people you deceive the easier it becomes because at that point you have mass deception that's constantly reinforced by those around you.

originally posted by: Batousai

originally posted by: captainpudding
a reply to: Batousai

Interesting hypothesis, but do you have any kind of proof to back it up? Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny may be real, but until I see evidence stating otherwise I'm going to stick to my assumptions that they are not.

Proof...I didn't say I have proof. I have "evidence" that I choose to place my faith in. Just like you choose to place your faith in "evidence".

And your 'evidence' is?

Where is your proof? Have you flown up in a rocket ship to look and see for yourself? I think not.

Have you flown in a rocket ship? Have you spoken to astronauts? Have you examined the evidence from the mission yourself? Have you look at the data form non-NASA sources? Have you checked to see if the rocks and craters in Apollo images can be seen in other lunar images? Have you checked to see if the sun is reflected in the right place on the Earth in Apollo images? Have you checked to see if the shadows move in a consistent way during the missions? Have you looked at weather satellite images and checked to see if they are the same as Apollo images? Have you, in fact, done any checking for yourself at all?

If you had, you wouldn't be arguing that Apollo didn't happen.

So in actuality you are placing your faith in what your government is telling you.

What does my government have to do with the US space programme? My government never told me Apollo landed on the moon. Governments don't write text books. I have no faith in my government or yours. Stop assuming everyone is American.

It's all a matter of faith. I place my faith in the bible you place your faith in the government text books end of story.

Ah. The Bible. Well then that's all the proof you need. Several Apollo astronauts also have a religious faith. Faith doesn't fire rockets.

originally posted by: captainpudding
a reply to: Batousai

Ok then. I'll rephrase my question: Interesting hypothesis, but do you have any kind of EVIDENCE to back it up? Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny may be real, but until I see evidence stating otherwise I'm going to stick to my assumptions that they are not.

You miss my point. My point is there is evidence presented on both sides of the argument and you put your faith in the one you choose, because you want it to be true. Most star trek fans do. People believe what they want to believe they create their own reality by choosing to believe what makes them happy or gives them hope.

a reply to: onebigmonkey

don't get so upset my friend. Nasa is ran by the government. So is Russias space program and so is chinas. If I have done any checking at all I wouldn't believe the way I do? So as long I look up some pictures on the Internet that should be proof enough for me? I have some pictures of big foot and the loch Ness monster too...pictures don't prove anything. Neither does film. Watch the movie gravity and see how real that looks. It looks much more realistic than the Apollo landing. the Apollo films don't even look real. But people seen it on tv and heard it on the radio so it must be true...the war of the world's was read on the radio and sent people into mass hysteria because they thought aliens were invading earth. people believe anything. it's so easy to deceive the human mind. At the end of the day it's a matter of faith. Don't hate me because I choose to go against what you have chosen. I have made my choice already and you have as well. No big deal.