IRS Fines Millions for Not Having Obamacare

My personal favorite of this... I only worked five months of 2014. Because I couldn't afford healthcare for my family and I, I was fined about $600.


Yepp. Complete, and utter logic. Makes perfect sense. Can't afford health care, get fined.

And let's not forget the $14K in personal debt I accumulated to friends to keep my family afloat. Yepp, let's make the debt $14,600.00 all total.

Thanks Obama. Thanks.

I'm just glad nobody got sick. Because, you know......I'd have ended up in debtors prison had the bills mounted up.

a reply to: Gryphon66

In all fairness...MacBeth isn't the law of the land, nor is it the single biggest piece of sh, er, legislation to be passed in the US since the 30's.

Being able to discuss it...not really as relevant to me as was there a path towards implentation before all the clarifications and instructions started flowing out during implementation? Or was it basically a ten thosuand page wishlist meant for everyone else to figure out how to make workable?

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

So do you concur that one must have read all of the 2700 or so pages to discuss the ACA?

Yes or no?

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

So do you concur that one must have read all of the 2700 or so pages to discuss the ACA?

Yes or no?

Nope. Because reading it is only half of it. Comprehending it is the other half. And comprehension won't happen until all the clarifications/instructions are delivered.

Matter of fact, the only thing I know for certain about ACA is that it has made my job nightmarish, has taken an enormous bite out of our bottom line as we have to hire specialists to navigate the quagmire, and is not delivering affordable insurance as our premium for our insurance (im on the wifes insurance through the state of texas) has more than doubled since 2010.

The only people who are doing well are the handful of folks that ACA is actually a net positive for, and any investors making money from the bumper returns on their investments with the insurance companies.

The truth of the matter is this is an all democrat fiasco and it will be the gift that keeps on giving.Every person that loses their insurance or is fined or loses their Doctor,will remember that this was all democrat.
Go ahead keep praising this atrocity.

originally posted by: Sunwolf
The truth of the matter is this is an all democrat fiasco and it will be the gift that keeps on giving.Every person that loses their insurance or is fined or loses their Doctor,will remember that this was all democrat.
Go ahead keep praising this atrocity.

The folks who attribute this mess to one party or another are the folks who likely should not be allowed to vote.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Gryphon66

Yippie Ti Yaa

They got the uninsured number down to 30 million from 40 million.

Care to prove it?

You know, with something from a site that doesn't have "Right Wing" in the title?

I'll trust your official numbers.

originally posted by: nullafides
My personal favorite of this... I only worked five months of 2014. Because I couldn't afford healthcare for my family and I, I was fined about $600.


Yepp. Complete, and utter logic. Makes perfect sense. Can't afford health care, get fined.

That seems high. Here are the exemptions for 2014: Link

Several would seem to fit your situation based on what you've said.

Did you file your own taxes?

a reply to: ketsuko

Yes I remember as you after the passing of the caca I mean AKA that many provisions were open to be expanded after passing.

This was highly deceiving, dirty and corrupted, but what can I say, they had to passed before congress knew what it was in it, As Pertusi I mean Pelosi words and then it was open to be fix after no even been read.

What that tells you.

What was promised and what we got is two different a bigger things but hell people have short time memories, when it fit them

The Affordable Health Care for America Act (or HR 3962)[1] was a bill that was crafted by the United States House of Representatives in November 2009. It never became law as originally drafted. At the encouragement of the Obama administration, the 111th Congress devoted much of its time to enacting reform of the United States' health care system. Known as the "House bill", HR 3962 was the House of Representatives' chief legislative proposal during the health reform debate.

On December 24, 2009, the Senate passed an alternative health care bill, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (H.R. 3590).[2] In 2010, the House abandoned its reform bill in favor of amending the Senate bill (via the reconciliation process) in the form of the Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010

The Affordable Health Care for America Act, H.R. 3962, as engrossed or passed by the House of Representatives, was received in the Senate, read into the record and placed on the Senate Legislative Calendar under General Orders (Calendar No. 210, Nov. 16, 2009).

H.R. 3962 as eventually enacted[edit]

A different bill, under the same bill number H.R. 3962, was eventually passed by Congress and, on June 25, 2010, was signed by the President. This is the "Preservation of Access to Care for Medicare Beneficiaries and Pension Relief Act of 2010."[31]

en.wikipedia.org...

We end up with a scam.

originally posted by: Sunwolf
The truth of the matter is this is an all democrat fiasco and it will be the gift that keeps on giving.Every person that loses their insurance or is fined or loses their Doctor,will remember that this was all democrat.
Go ahead keep praising this atrocity.

More like the grift that keeps on grifting.

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Gryphon66

Yippie Ti Yaa

They got the uninsured number down to 30 million from 40 million.

Care to prove it?

You know, with something from a site that doesn't have "Right Wing" in the title?

I'll trust your official numbers.

To quote Reagan: "Trust, yet verify."

Go ahead, I'd like to see some backup for your claim that the ACA only covered 10 million additional Americans.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

So do you concur that one must have read all of the 2700 or so pages to discuss the ACA?

Yes or no?

and to clarify: the body of law relating to ACA is more than 10k pages:

cnsnews.com...

For each word actually in the Obamacare law that Congress enacted, the Obama administration has written 30 more words in regulations indicating how it will be enforced.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan

originally posted by: Sunwolf
The truth of the matter is this is an all democrat fiasco and it will be the gift that keeps on giving.Every person that loses their insurance or is fined or loses their Doctor,will remember that this was all democrat.
Go ahead keep praising this atrocity.

The folks who attribute this mess to one party or another are the folks who likely should not be allowed to vote.

I`ll vote anyway,how is that?Try
and stop me.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Oh, the associated regs are over 20K pages.

The original law, I believe, is around 2700. Here's the version signed into law.

But, yes or no, do we have to read all 2700, 10k or 20k pages to discuss the ACA as previously claimed?

My bad, you answered.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

So do you concur that one must have read all of the 2700 or so pages to discuss the ACA?

Yes or no?

Nope.

Right.

Stating that someone has to have read all pages to discuss the ACA is a logical fallacy.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Sunwolf

Do you prefer that the laws of the United States be ignored?

Humm I suppose when passed by a Democratic House and Senate then offered to a Democratic socialist President for signing, the whole ignore thing, especially in this case, might not be a bad idea..!

The government certainly seems to have no problem picking and choosing what parts of the constitution it follows and enforces.. maybe a little monkey see monkey do is appropriate after all.

2016 is when the fines and the cost of the whole program are set to really increase..

Buckle up, for this is probably gonna be a rough ride before our final destination is even in sight..

a reply to: Gryphon66

we can start here.....>>>

In U.S., Uninsured Rate Sinks to 12.9%

The uninsured rate among U.S. adults for the fourth quarter of 2014 averaged 12.9%.

This is down slightly from 13.4% in the third quarter of 2014 and down significantly from 17.1% a year ago.

The uninsured rate has dropped 4.2 percentage points since the Affordable Care Act's requirement for Americans to have health insurance went into effect one year ago.

originally posted by: Sunwolf
The truth of the matter is this is an all democrat fiasco and it will be the gift that keeps on giving.Every person that loses their insurance or is fined or loses their Doctor,will remember that this was all democrat.
Go ahead keep praising this atrocity.

The Hill - 81% are Satisfied with their Obamacare Plans

Newsmax - (from 2014) 70% Happy with their Obamacare Plans

US News and World Report (2014) - Obamacare Plans Earn High Marks

Etc. etc.

Apparently, the American public disagrees with you.

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Gryphon66

we can start here.....>>>

In U.S., Uninsured Rate Sinks to 12.9%

The uninsured rate among U.S. adults for the fourth quarter of 2014 averaged 12.9%.

This is down slightly from 13.4% in the third quarter of 2014 and down significantly from 17.1% a year ago.

The uninsured rate has dropped 4.2 percentage points since the Affordable Care Act's requirement for Americans to have health insurance went into effect one year ago.

You want to use the net change in 2014 as a basis? Do you want to talk about anything past the first quarter of 2014?

LOL I'm sure you don't.

Around 17 million people have gained health insurance since the core of ObamaCare took effect in 2013, according to a RAND Corp. study released Wednesday.

The Hill - May 6, 2015

Kaiser estimates 30 million Americans remain uninsured — down from an estimated 50 million uninsured the foundation reported in 2010, when Obamacare was enacted.

Washington Examiner 1/29/15

So, 17-20 million people, not 10 as you "quoted."

I wonder how many we could have covered with a plan the Republicans supported?

I also wonder when we'll ever see the "Republican Replacement" for the ACA?

Five years, still waiting.

a reply to: Gryphon66



Yepp, it was roughly $550....and yes, I did my own taxes...and it was per the Affordable Healthcare / IRS website.

And, I work on accounting software. I know how to look for loopholes, and how to do the math carefully.