Walter Palmer, the infamous lion killer. Be afraid, be very afraid

originally posted by: johnwick
a reply to: FlySolo

Why would he be ashamed?

You know that without the money these hunting expeditions bring in, there likely wouldn't even be any lions left.

Because the kill was illegal.


He lured a protected lion out of a safe zone.


Zimbabwe have already arrested the others in his group.t

a reply to: In4ormant

You think what they did to that cat is ok? Really? It had its collar on ffs and was lured out of a sanctuary.
smh

originally posted by: johnwick

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: johnwick

Ya they get plenty of money outside of that.

I get the conservationism angle, but when animals that are getting close to becoming extent are getting killed, it falls on it's face.

animals.nationalgeographic.com...

We are losing our wildlife at to fast of a rate.

I won't deny that, I agree.

But this idiocy of applauding some idiot for threatening a guy for a perfectly legal act, that he paid a lot of money to do, that the country he did it in really needs, is batshot crazy.

Was it legal? I thought they baited it out of a conservation area illegally or something :s

originally posted by: johnwick

originally posted by: FlySolo
a reply to: johnwick

sigh, I'm having that debate in another thread. That argument is so full of holes I can throw my computer through it

How, the game preserves are directly funded by them.

Meaning, that the money for the security that protects them from poachers comes from trophy hunting.

More poachers get killed every year by those security guys than lions get trophy hunted in 10 years.

Without the security, lions would be like the black rhino.

In this case it seems Palmer WAS the poacher........


He killed the wrong lion lured out of a no hunting zone.

This was not a clean legal kill,

HEAVY

The charity Lion Aid says on its website that it will be difficult to prosecute the person who paid for the hunt, because the client did what the professional hunter tells him to do.

“A client usually has no idea about the laws and regulations of the country he is hunting in – he just buys a safari and then places himself in the hands of his professional hunter guide. Finding the client could be interesting to let him tell his side of the story, but in terms of legal prosecution this person is hardly important,” Lion Aid says. Theo Bronkhorst, who runs the hunting company that Palmer hired, is already being inves“A client usually has no idea about the laws and regulations of the country he is hunting in – he just buys a safari and then places himself in the hands of his professional hunter guide.

Last I read officials wanted to question him I haven't read any official sources that say he is charged with poaching.

IMO the outrage should be focused on the Safari tour operator and guides. Zimbabwee authorities have actually charged some of them.

Edit to add

This is Lion Aids site which clears up some things and is advised for reading. Such as I had thought killing collared lions was illegal or luring lions was illegal, but apparently neither are illegal there.

originally posted by: johnwick
Why would he be ashamed?

You know that without the money these hunting expeditions bring in, there likely wouldn't even be any lions left.

Hypocracy and ignorance at it's finest. Why do you think lions needed saving in the first place?

a reply to: crazyewok

I'm against killing wild animals unless it's for population control of their species. I couldn't kill a wild animal, but that's just my personal feelings. What I so find outrageous, is paying $50,000 dollars to kill a lion!

As far as the guy in this video, I wouldn't want to be his next door neighbor. He seems like a loose cannon, .

a reply to: FlySolo

I watched Game of Thrones most recent season finale last night. Great season. Coincidentally, they did something similar (but not using the internet, obviously). They made Cersei walk naked through the streets while an old lady rang a bell and yelled "Shame".

It was uncomfortably morose to observe. Kind of like the internet mob.

originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: zazzafrazz

Today, trophy hunting takes place in 23 sub-Saharan African nations, generating over $200 million and attracting over 18,000 clients each year. That’s money spent in the economies of multiple African nations directly pegged to the continuing presence of big game animals. It’s a large economic incentive for conservation of these species. And it’s growing.

The explosive growth in South Africa is largely due to ranch land that had been dedicated to livestock being given over to game ranching. Elephants and lions are now worth more to landowners than cows and chickens.

Because a hunter like Walt Palmer is prepared to fly over and pay someone a large sum of money to kill a big, endangered critter, an economic opportunity attached to that critter is created. So, an enterprising individual will do anything from breeding to fostering to protecting and/or providing a habitat for a population of those critters. In order for that economic opportunity to last and for the investment to pay off, many more critters need to be added than the Walts of this world can ever kill. And because Walt and his pals want prime examples of that critter hanging on their trophy room walls, those critters need to be happy, healthy and wild. Yes, Walt will kill some of them, but many more will be able to go about their happy, healthy, wild lives as a result.

Does anyone think that the ranch owners are forgoing raising cows and chickens in lieu of animals that could kill them out of the kindness of their hearts?

Game ranches have reached an equivalent total area to national parks in South Africa, effectively doubling the land on which large animals have to grow and roam.

What kind of animals do people think will be raised on that land if hunters stop coming and paying to hunt?

indefinitelywild

Stop making sense from, one lion got shot, despite the fact this activity has caused a huge jump in their numbers, and is bringing them back from the brink, a single lion died!!!!!

You can't reason with the unreasonable.

Financial incentive is saving these animals, without it, more land will go to farming meat than wildlife, but that doesn't matter, because a single lion died!!!

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

ah yes GOT season finale. Yeah, would never want to be on the receiving end of global humiliation.

a reply to: johnwick

Stop making sense from, one lion got shot, despite the fact this activity has caused a huge jump in their numbers, and is bringing them back from the brink, a single lion died!!!!!

Show your facts on that because I've got right here open in front of me, a document that shows otherwise. Show me the documented study that proves trophy hunting has increased lion population. Got it? Cause I've got one right here.

oh and that other thing you said? It's bs as well. Trophy hunting does absolutely nothing for the economy. It's useless. It doesn't even count for 2% of total tourism revenue. It's .27% of the Nambia's GDP for example and anywhere from 3-5% reaches the people. 25% goes to government and the rest is swallowed up into a black hole of admin costs. Want me to go on or will you have an argument?

originally posted by: nerbot

originally posted by: johnwick
Why would he be ashamed?

You know that without the money these hunting expeditions bring in, there likely wouldn't even be any lions left.

Hypocracy and ignorance at it's finest. Why do you think lions needed saving in the first place?

And why are their numbers rising quickly?

Because it is worth more to raise trophy animals than farm animals.

Without it, these lands would be farming food, and the Lions there would be getting shot by the farmers to protect their flocks.

Instead.....

Do you not understand this?

originally posted by: FlySolo
a reply to: johnwick

Stop making sense from, one lion got shot, despite the fact this activity has caused a huge jump in their numbers, and is bringing them back from the brink, a single lion died!!!!!

Show your facts on that because I've got right here open in front of me, a document that shows otherwise. Show me the documented study that proves trophy hunting has increased lion population. Got it? Cause I've got one right here.

oh and that other thing you said? It's bs as well. Trophy hunting does absolutely nothing for the economy. It's useless. It doesn't even count for 2% of total tourism revenue. It's .27% of the Nambia's GDP for example and anywhere from 3-5% reaches the people. 25% goes to government and the rest is swallowed up into a black hole of admin costs. Want me to go on or will you have an argument?

How about a nytimes article from the source from 2 years ago?

That work for you?
mobile.nytimes.com...


Very interesting, it took me all of 5 seconds to find this, but your extensive research didn't turn it up.....

Because, you don't care about the truth, you want to push an agenda.

You want about 100 more links?

That should take all of 3 minutes.

originally posted by: FlySolo
a reply to: In4ormant

You think what they did to that cat is ok? Really? It had its collar on ffs and was lured out of a sanctuary.
smh

When did I say that exactly?

Bowe Bergdahl defects, betrays his country, is a traitor, and his parents get a Rose Garden meeting with the president.

Some dentist kills a lion, and he's public enemy #1.

Next alien invasion, I'm siding with them.

Just sayin'

a reply to: beezzer

So stopped using abortion as your off topic 'america sucks because this' set up huh?

If I recall Bergdahl received plenty of heat from the get go.

Just like there is a side on this story that doesn't see any wrong doing.

a reply to: Sremmos80

My opinion, Puddin'.

Don't like it?

Tough.

a reply to: beezzer

And was just giving you my back there sweet pea.

originally posted by: beezzer
Bowe Bergdahl defects, betrays his country, is a traitor, and his parents get a Rose Garden meeting with the president.

Some dentist kills a lion, and he's public enemy #1.

Next alien invasion, I'm siding with them.

Just sayin'

I will bring punch and pie, because now down is up, left is right, and good is bad.

WTF, I can't wrap my mind around this.

Murdering millions of baby humans a year, fine.

Killing one lion, bad, even though the money spent, goes to help protect and preserve the species, and many others......


I just can't wrap my mind around the thinking.

The same land now used to grow lions would be used for farming, and lions would be shot on sight to protect farm animals, but people can't see more than one layer deep on a multi layered problem.

Screw it, I welcome our new alien masters.

a reply to: FlySolo

www.environmentmagazine.org...

Take some time to do some reading. Game hunting ranches have increased populations on a good many animals and actually led to the reintroduction of a couple of species.