"#DontStayInSchool".....

Ok. So I came across this little video of this "rapper" dude who was apparently super angry when he wrote this Rap.

Take a look see:




This is actually a pretty decent topic. Now, I only graduated High School not toooo long ago and I remember being one among many who questioned when and where we would use most of what we learned out in the "real world." BUT, I DO believe that most of what is being taught in schools NEEDS to be taught.

I mean, I think Home Ec or some similar class in schools actually makes students take home these little robotic babies that have to be fed and changed and stuff like that. With all these teenagers getting pregnant and having babies, that stuff really does come in handy

But for real, the basic math, proper English, history, of course, and science that is taught each year throughout school is very important to a youngster's growth.

On the other hand, I DO believe that schools should also teach things such as: how to change a friggin tire, or how to properly budget your income, or what EXACTLY our rights are as a citizen of whatever country we live in down to the most minute detail. The subject right there being very important in my personal opinion. A lot of government officials get away with tons of crud because no one knows what their rights are.

Sometimes our parents, mine for example, aren't....capable, I guess, themselves to teach their children about things that are NEEDED to know in order to survive as an adult.

Idk, ATS, I don't know. But to think this "rapper" is blaming the school systems for a lot of ignorance reminds me of how many suffer from self-entitlement nowadays.

I'd like to hear opinions on this subject. and also, maybe some more subjects that SHOULD or NEED to be taught in school. I mean, I'm young and dumb, I will admit it, but I'm also slowly learning from the mistakes I make. Is that how all of us should learn the ways of life? Through our own personal mistakes? Or should we be able to help the future adults of the world by giving them a little head start?

That guy's an idiot, and half of that stuff is taught in high school.

Yea, i didn't mention some things he said like how to vote, what our laws are or how to get a job because I actually was taught those things, and a majority of what he said was pretty simple, common sense, kind of things.

He does seem like a complete idiot BUT he has a good point and is thinking on the right track, ya know? Well, that's what I think.

a reply to: AdmireTheDistance

a reply to: PageLC14

I agree with the thought that schools should teach some more practical things than they currently do, but that's about the extent of my agreement. FYI, you might want to fix that typo in "common sense" before someone gets offended lol.

I can go either way on this rappers opinions.

I did crap in highschool, was more concerned with my friends and being a bad A$$ than attending class. Once i hit 18 and had been out of school for 3 years because i dropped out in grade 10, it hit me, what the hell am i doing.

So when i turned 19 i went to the college during the summer and completed the GED program.
After that i did a pre technology course to get me ready for engineering. Then became a Civil Engineer.
Granted 70% of what i learnt in my engineering course had little to zero relevance in what became my career path.

Now im an Underground Mining Engineer. I learnt under another mining engineer, so i was an EIT (Engineer In Training) for 3 years before gaining my title. Couldn't be happier with my career choice. In mining you make stupid amounts of money.
Its down right criminal in my opinion what people charge when it comes to mining.
The average Civil Engineer in my province makes anywhere from 55k-75k.
But once you attach mining to the equation, the average is 120-150 k, and of course goes up every year.

I've always thought that our education systems could probably do a better job at determining what students' strength areas and interests were and then tailor and focus their individual education.

Seems this used to happen and then we got away from it somehow? Maybe because budgets didn't allow for it or maybe we just didn't carry things through effectively. Or maybe because people just called it brainwashing and interference or otherwise didn't see any value in it. Anyway, not every kid is suited for STEAM or STEAM path. Not every kid will need to take calculus.

When I was in middle and high school, there were three clear paths for us, the collegiate, the vocational, and the arts, but that was 1.) in NY and 2.) seems to not be the case now, at least not here in GA, where they seem to pay it some lip service at some schools, by tossing in a few AP or IB courses here and there.

Funny too, how I was just saying to a friend the other day, that my son, in grade 1, was given a test that accurately predicted the path he should follow (number 1 for him was rocket science...I kid you not...and number 2 was bricklayer). But there was never really tht much follow up on that through the rest of his publice educational path. Luckily enough he was able to follow path 1 and is doing pretty well at it so far.

Anyway, the #DontStayInSchool thing, while it's not a new (when will I ever use algebra in my life ring a bell?) or good idea in general, does bring up some good discussion about why we may be alienating some students, and maybe even stifling them in some respects. And it's probably a good one to have.

a reply to: PageLC14

He's right for the wrong reasons.

Yes, drop out of institutionalized education but, the reason to do so is to have the time and resources to pursue your own personal education. There is nothing that one cannot learn oneself sans pedagogy.

In the end it comes down to certification, does the knowledge itself bring advantages or must one have the degree.

What this kid is saying is essentially that he wants to have a more "social" education. He's a luddite who wants to rely on technology, talk about ironic.

Am I the only one that is amazed by the amount of people paying for remedial education? It was a few years ago, but I was early to pre Cal and the math that was on the board was 13+8= ? No joke. That seriously made me start nagging my kids about their education.

a reply to: ~Lucidity

No, it stopped because then that would mean "tracking" and telling someone's little darling that he is not best suited to be a doctor or astronaut and maybe he should aim for being a mechanic or electrician instead. Either way, he's using his mechanical/technological aptitudes, but there is a big difference in the level of mental ability.

We are supposed to make all children equal now.

And tracking them to careers and areas they are best suited for means telling them they are differently abled. You can't do that. It would negatively impact their precious self esteem. Money has little to do with it.

a reply to: PageLC14

LOL I've seen this video!

The guy should definitely not go to a liberal arts college, he should hit up a community college instead.

It is true that schools should help prepare people for life more than they do. But the learning other things part is pretty important too. I think he has a good point, there are a lot of more practical things that could be taught in school.

Emo kid makes video, who cares?

As for education, I mean it's a joke. I dropped out of high school as soon as I turned 17 to start college early, aced the GED because it was ridiculously easy, went to class and found it was more laid-back and even dumber than my junior year classes in HS. Every few years I tried to go back thinking I'd get better teachers, better curriculum, but it was the same deal and I'd quickly lose interest.

This last round was earlier this year. Figured I would go the route of training for certifications for IT, so I conned my way into taking advanced, accelerated courses and it still bored the hell out of me. Thought I was the most ignorant student in the class going in, ended up knowing more than nearly everyone else including the teachers, and they didn't teach deep understanding of the tech, rather filled you with a ton of terminology, and basic concepts. It was hell!

So I'm an autodidact and have accepted this now. Not gonna give it another try. I think a Montessori hybrid of sorts will be an ideal education for future generations. This one size fits all only appears to work on the surface, but I bet it's costing society untold losses in human potential.

a reply to: darkbake

I don't understand why everybody immediately assumes that school is useful in the first place.

Is it just conditioning?

originally posted by: pl3bscheese
Emo kid makes video, who cares?

As for education, I mean it's a joke. I dropped out of high school as soon as I turned 17 to start college early, aced the GED because it was ridiculously easy, went to class and found it was more laid-back and even dumber than my junior year classes in HS. Every few years I tried to go back thinking I'd get better teachers, better curriculum, but it was the same deal and I'd quickly lose interest.

This last round was earlier this year. Figured I would go the route of training for certifications for IT, so I conned my way into taking advanced, accelerated courses and it still bored the hell out of me. Thought I was the most ignorant student in the class going in, ended up knowing more than nearly everyone else including the teachers, and they didn't teach deep understanding of the tech, rather filled you with a ton of terminology, and basic concepts. It was hell!

So I'm an autodidact and have accepted this now. Not gonna give it another try. I think a Montessori hybrid of sorts will be an ideal education for future generations. This one size fits all only appears to work on the surface, but I bet it's costing society untold losses in human potential.

Yes, that has been my experience as well.

How a 7th grader could not get a single thing wrong on the GED speaks more to the lowering of expectations than genius.

a reply to: greencmp

What it showed me is that there must be a gross discrepancy between education from one district to the next. I was always in high rated districts. No wonder we have so many dropouts.

I have a dislike for school as it stands, it seems to only serve the system (a system which I dislike immensely). It largely neglects talents and creativity in order to churn out kids to fill the positions created by the system.

School also neglects to teach kids life skills, and most importantly how to change the system (i.e politics) which is no oversight of that I am certain.

Ken Robinson has done some great talks on education, I love his attitude, if only his ideas were put into action...

www.ted.com...

I've always been a #school kind of person.
If there's something you want to learn go find a teacher or learn it on your own.
My criticisms of school were pretty similar to his, I always questioned the value of what we were being taught.
The things we weren't taught were legion: how to balance a checkbook, basic car repairs etc (that was the 70's, ok?)
I finished only because I couldn't handle disappointing my parents.
He has a valid point and I think public schools could teach things far more relevant than they do.
1 year of civics is certainly nowhere near enough.

I forgot my biggest complaints about school -
It crushes creativity and individuality.
I wasn't big on the indoctrination parts either.

Wait a minute....This is the guy behind all the flat Earth threads, isn't it? It all makes sense now!

originally posted by: AdmireTheDistance
Wait a minute....This is the guy behind all the flat Earth threads, isn't it? It all makes sense now!

As asinine a notion as flat earth may be I don't think it's a bad idea to trot out the established notions of reality every once and while and double check the facts. The biggest leaps in science are usually due to challenging some conventional notion of reality.

originally posted by: PageLC14
Ok. So I came across this little video of this "rapper" dude who was apparently super angry when he wrote this Rap.

Take a look see:

This is actually a pretty decent topic. Now, I only graduated High School not toooo long ago and I remember being one among many who questioned when and where we would use most of what we learned out in the "real world." BUT, I DO believe that most of what is being taught in schools NEEDS to be taught.

I mean, I think Home Ec or some similar class in schools actually makes students take home these little robotic babies that have to be fed and changed and stuff like that. With all these teenagers getting pregnant and having babies, that stuff really does come in handy

But for real, the basic math, proper English, history, of course, and science that is taught each year throughout school is very important to a youngster's growth.

On the other hand, I DO believe that schools should also teach things such as: how to change a friggin tire, or how to properly budget your income, or what EXACTLY our rights are as a citizen of whatever country we live in down to the most minute detail. The subject right there being very important in my personal opinion. A lot of government officials get away with tons of crud because no one knows what their rights are.

Sometimes our parents, mine for example, aren't....capable, I guess, themselves to teach their children about things that are NEEDED to know in order to survive as an adult.

Idk, ATS, I don't know. But to think this "rapper" is blaming the school systems for a lot of ignorance reminds me of how many suffer from self-entitlement nowadays.

I'd like to hear opinions on this subject. and also, maybe some more subjects that SHOULD or NEED to be taught in school. I mean, I'm young and dumb, I will admit it, but I'm also slowly learning from the mistakes I make. Is that how all of us should learn the ways of life? Through our own personal mistakes? Or should we be able to help the future adults of the world by giving them a little head start?

This guy is an idiot. You are taught a lot of what he says you are not. Not only that, but you can ask teachers if you want to know somethine extra or go to the school library. On top of this, you are taugh all that "crap" to get you interested in a particular topic...to see what bites. It worked for me, i adored physics and went on to uni to study it. So, yeah, mr idiot rapper, quadratic equations were actually VERY handy for me as well as all the other people in my class at uni. How would i have gotten to university to read physics iof i didnt know how to solve them?

Laws? How much it costs to raise a family?...these are NOT things that should be taught in class as they are easily learned and picked up and have no value in forwarding/starting your careers in life.

As i said, hes a class 1 idiot.

originally posted by: AdmireTheDistance
Wait a minute....This is the guy behind all the flat Earth threads, isn't it? It all makes sense now!

I cant believe you just wrote this...i was about to click reply and write the exact same joke mate...great minds eh?