MH370 speculation sparked by debris found on Indian Ocean island

a reply to: Layaly

What's the link to Diego Garcia, if any? I read stories that the flight may've been commandeered and landed there at the U.S. military base. Has any reporter looked into that?

a reply to: cfnyaami

The links are tenuous at best. The path the flight took before authorities lost contact with it took it in "general" direction of the Diego Garcia base.

originally posted by: cfnyaami
a reply to: Layaly

What's the link to Diego Garcia, if any? I read stories that the flight may've been commandeered and landed there at the U.S. military base. Has any reporter looked into that?

If parts of it are washing ashore covered in barnacles, clearly it didn't land...

I do appreciate you guys chatting between each other

I wouldn't know

If you can provide some answers to each other
am just reading what you guys have to say about it

a reply to: cfnyaami

I read too many things now

Possible Fire Suppression Bottle of an aircraft lands on Maldives beach

We have not gotten any additional information about the possible fire suppression bottle found washed up on Maldives beach. It is now rising questions why the authorities are not releasing updated information on this object. Are they simply trying to ignore the fact that an object possibly belonging to MH370 has been found? Or the authorities want the world to focus on the depths of massive oceans just to say, at last, the plane may never be found? We cant believe Boeing and the Malaysian authorities are not aware of this object. Why have not they said anything so far?


Here is the article to that

www.maldivesfinest.com...

originally posted by: Layaly
a reply to: AdmireTheDistance

I still can't get over the fact that our perth radar never picked up the plane..

If it can pick up USA "invisible" millitary plane

The answer was that the radar was looking elsewhere and to get over it.

No. JORN doesn't operate 24/7.

Does the Jindalee Operational Radar Network (JORN) operate 24 hours per day? A. JORN was designed and acquired for the defence of Australia. In the context of the defence of Australia and peacetime military operations, JORN is not resourced or tasked to conduct surveillance operations 24-hours-a-day 7-days-a-week. To this end, JORN’s peacetime use is focused on searching for those objects that the system has been designed to detect, thus ensuring efficient peacetime use of
JORN’s fiscal and staff resources.

www.airforce.gov.au...

Military aviation technology expert submits a claim to interpol

relevant authorities failed to disclose relevant information for investigation and it is a "clear violation of the protocols of Chicago Convention Section 25 International Civil Aviation Organ (ICAO) of the United Nations

# not one piece of corroborative radar data to support your Artificial Incursion Theory has been produced by the governments of Singapore, Malaysia, Australia, New Zealand, United Kingdom all of whom as members of the Five Powers Defense Agreement have joint access to the Integrated Air Defense System that at all times had full command and full control of the very same airspace that you as Minister of Defence claim MH370 did trespass through illegally prior to then crashing into the southern Indian Ocean

# not one piece of corroborative radar data to support your Artificial Incursion Theory has been produced by the United States of America, the People's Republic of Indonesia, the People's Republic of Thailand and the People's of Republic of India – all of whom are signatory members of the United Nations, which operate multiple overlapping early warning aerospace threat incursion detection systems in the exact same airspace that you as Minister of Defence claim MH370 did trespass through illegally prior to then crashing into the southern Indian Ocean

# not one piece of corroborative radar data to support your Artificial Incursion Theory has been produced by the Jindalee system, [The Jindalee Operational Radar Network (JORN) is an over-the-horizon radar network that can monitor air and sea movements across 37,000 km2], that you as Minister of Defence is bound by parliament to ensure Australia is at all times warned in real time of any and or all acts of illegal aerospace trespass that your Artificial Incursion Theory allowed

# The single most extensive search operation ever conducted in human history involving; over one hundred ships, helicopters and sophisticated aircraft with advanced search and detection systems deployed by over 24 United Nations member states with a combined crew of over 10,000 highly trained professionals. Over one hundred million man hours of more than three million world volunteers searching and examining high-definition images captured by multiple satellite data systems released by a US based company called Digital Globe of the full perimeter of your Artificial Incursion Theory. Are all collectively unable to locate one single piece of aircraft wreckage and or any physical evidence that is corroborative in any way to your Artificial Incursion Theory?

# The private contractor employed by the FPDA known as INMARSAT that released satellite data in regards to MH 370 did not include any of the data that would have been transmitted directly to the 24 hour per day monitoring technicians at Rolls Royce via the multiple self-contained sensors in each of the Rolls Royce engines upon MH 370 that would have detected in real time and then tramsmitted direct to Rolls Royce, the extreme changes in a) oil compression levels, b) atmospheric pressure levels, c) altitiude pressure levels, d) cabin pressure levels, e) fuel consumption levels that would have occurred at the specific moments of incident at the points on the attached Visual Schematic marked as Incident One, which is the moment of extreme evasive, and or counter evasive flight actions claimed by the FPDA IADS HQ at Base Butterworth and claimed in data by INMARSAT starting at approx 2:22 am lasting for a total of three minutes of time and marked as incident Two, which is the moment of exhaustion of fuel upon MH370 that occurred as claimed by INMARSAT, The Prime Minister of Malaysia, The Minister of Defence of Malaysia, The Prime Minister of Australia, and yourself as Minister of Defence, that occurred at the specific moment of the final transmission of data from the engines upon MH 370 to INMARSAT that occurred at approx 8:17am lasting less than one minute of time.

failure to provide the following data

# corroborative data from Rolls Royce that synthesises perfectly with the specifics of incident One and Incident Two as located on the attached visual schematic

# a document of verifiable facts that explains why Inmarsat and the AAIB did not disclose the Rolls Royce data.

# a document of verifiable facts that explains why the data of Incident One that was disclosed by Inmarsat is of a three-minute incident when the extreme evasive flight action claims by the FPDA IADS would generate a minimum of 12 minutes of Rolls Royce data.

# a document of verifiable facts that details what transpired following Rolls Royce alarm detection of the event at Incident One on the attached visual reference.

# a document of verifiable facts that explains why the data of Incident Two that was disclosed by Inmarsat is of a multi second incident when the extended gradual descent of intersection with the Indian Ocean would generate between eight to 16 minutes of Rolls Royce data.

# a document of verifiable facts that explains why the multiple broadcast signal receives network Rolls Royce uses was not angulated to calculate the event of Incident Two being final trajectory arc drop to impact point.

# a document of verifiable facts that explains why the multiple radar systems of Indonesia was unable to detect MH 370 as it trespassed through the airspace of Indonesia.

# a document of verifiable facts that explains how the multiple radar systems of Thailand was incorrect in detecting an unknown aircraft from the last known location of MH 370 that was tracked by Thailand radar as flying direct to and landing at Airforce Base Butterworth

# a document of verifiable facts that explains how the advanced OTH radar system used by United States at Diego Garcia was unable to detect MH 370 trespassing Indonesian airspace, trespassing into the Australian JINDALEE system and then unable to pinpoint the crash site of MH 370 into the Indian Ocean.

# a document of verifiable facts that explains how the advanced OTH radar system used by Australia's JINDALEE was unable to detect and track MH370 trespassing the JINDALEE system and then intersecting into the Indian Ocean without generating hard data in real time of the exact time and site of the crash of MH370 on 8 March 2014.

www.ibtimes.co.uk...

a reply to: Layaly

You have posted an article by Andre Milne. The guy really doesn't have a clue what he is talking about. You have to realise that it is a mindset with these people.

Milne asks for.

a document of verifiable facts that explains how the advanced OTH radar system used by United States at Diego Garcia was unable to detect MH 370 trespassing Indonesian airspace, trespassing into the Australian JINDALEE system and then unable to pinpoint the crash site of MH 370 into the Indian Ocean.

a document of verifiable facts that explains how the advanced OTH radar system used by Australia's JINDALEE was unable to detect and track MH370 trespassing the JINDALEE system and then intersecting into the Indian Ocean without generating hard data in real time of the exact time and site of the crash of MH370 on 8 March 2014.

There is no "advanced Over the Horizon Radar (OTHR)" on Diego Garcia. Secondly he fails to understand that the JORN / Jindalee is NOT operated 24/7.

Notice that he hasn't produced any evidence of this Diego Garcia Over the Horizon Radar? That is because it doesn't actually exist. He has probably looked on the likes of Google Earth and noted some antennas and buildings and assumed that they must be this OTHR. In reality there isn't an OTHR operated from Diego Garcia. There are extremely expensive pieces of equipment to operate and maintain. Explain how an OTHR and its operating costs can be hidden from the likes of US Congress and the US Government Accountability Office ? In addition Diego Garcia is simply not wide enough to physically locate a transmitter and receiver antenna system. Even if the US had built a mono static OTH on Diego Garcia it would never escape the beady eye of the US Government Accountability Office and US Congress. It would also be detected by HF radio enthusiasts.

See post number 9 on Metabunk. This is my post.

Metabunk thread

So in summary Milne is just clutching at straws with his claims.

a reply to: tommyjo

is bringing up error on the page ... oh wait just got to sign up one moment..

i will have a look first.. www.ibtimes.com.au... I am tired sorry i just add this as memo

I stand by most of the elements of the nuke+commercial jet package for a FF in the middle east, designed to set-off the 'Shia Twelvers" in Iran....

 

I recall that there was a missing Nuke immediately before the missing MH-370, and black Op's needed a passenger aircraft to insert a Nuke laden commercial passenger jet into the Middle East air traffic corridors (with a replaced transponder ID)

the suspected False Flag nuke would be either originating by Israel to attack Iran or vice~versa

i'm still foggy on the missing nuke however--- I believe it involved Ukraine... or perhaps it was one of the pair of Nukes swiped from that TX airbase & stolen on the way to Charleston SC, in a round-about return trip back to Minot AFB where the secret shuffle began ( a shadow-government vs. USA Military caper which was thwarted by the loyalist military)




ADD:
I covered this earlier in another thread? .... the B777 tail flap, washed ashore with barnacles some 16 months later is a manufactured 'debris' to solidify the 'illusion' the passenger craft really crashed head first into the Ocean some 2,000 nautical miles away and was never on/at Diego Garcia... the black Op's needs the MH-370 disappearance to continue for the False Flag nuke operation to play out as planned
---a replacement tail-wing for a B777 can be salvaged from the airplane boneyard for the redux 911 False Flag to take place
as a zealot will use the MH-370 as a Nuke=armed delivery missile ~~~~ ??? target...Damascus, Israel, Iran, Arabia the Temple Compound & Kaaba...Islam's most sacred mosque, Al-Masjid al-Haram, in Mecca, Saudi Arabia....

I had amended/edited my post since your input....(which is just deliberate act of muddying-the-waters by TPTB, to create a non-event, lost in circular sophistry)

I'm going with some other posts which reason if it were to be staged in order to end the chatter, it would happen when there was still a lot of chatter. Most people stopped talking about M370 a long time ago.

If something truly was amiss, a cover-up would be in the works from day 1, or preferably well before if it could be planned out in advance of the event.

a reply to: St Udio

Dyess allegedly shipped those weapons September of 2013. There's zero conformation that Dyess shipped anything, or even has them considering their B-1s can't carry nuclear weapons anymore.

i can only find crappy stuff.. but something along these lines was said on morning news the guy was sitting there talking,, he never said ie was switched of.. later i read they were looking at some “suspicious’ boats ,, from lame facebook sorry ats; I read that the western-facing part of our Jindalee Operational Radar Network may have been pointing North instead of west as part of operation sovereign borders? We may have spotted mh370 when it flew through initially if the over the horizon radar hadn't been facing the wrong direction, but maybe it doesn't reach as far as the crash site. But if it did, we would have been able to start the search weeks ago. Perhaps this is another reason why Australia is making such a huge effort now.
there was plenty of links plus I have spend a week looking for that episode(channel 9 sunrise/ was it) in their archive or on youtube but no luck.. that article is t he only evidence i have about it

Tragically, I watched a mortorcycle crash one day. It was a horrific wreck, but had I not seen it no one would have believed the outcome. It happened right in front of me. The rider was turning left off of a highway. There was another driver turning right onto the same highway. The driver turning onto the highway was pulling a large trailer and didn't see the bike, he swung wide on the corner. The bike rider clipped his front left bumper and went down (hard). Sadly, he was killed instantly as the truck ran over him.

The bike (a Harley) hit the pavement at about 60 mph and dumped the rider. It went down lowside (left) first, the rider went under the truck and the bike went down the road. After the impact the bike flipped over on the right side and was skidding. Almost magically, the bike suddenly stood upright on both wheels and headed straight down the highway (with no rider) for nearly 2,000 feet. It finally slowed and moved right, went off the shoulder and fell over into the ditch.

So why do I tell this story? Because, things are not always what they seem. To a non-witness first responder this particular accident would have looked like some bizarre, unexplainable, sequence of events. Sometimes the simplest explanation is the correct one, but many times the definition of "simple" isn't as straight forward as it seems.

MH-370 was a tragedy indeed, there is no quesstion about it. However, conspiracy theories about Diego Garcia and the like only serve to drag the true explanation out further than it should be.

We all want answers, I do too. The disjointed search efforts in the days/weeks following the disappearance of MH-370 only serve to fuel the fires of conspiracy theorists. In reality these measures diminished the likeliehood of finding MH-370...and so we all wait for answers.

It is indeed shamefull the search has gone on as long as it has, but think about it...no one, no country, no people, no three letter agency, no one , could pull off a coverup of this magnituded, not in today's day and age.

So who truly are the conspirators? They are the government entities who tried to mask their shortcomings in the face of public trust. They are the ones who paid lip service to the families of 277 lost souls aboard MH-370.

There is no conspiracy in the disappearance of MH-370; the only "conspiracy" here is contained in why MH-370 has taken so long to be found!!

originally posted by: AdmireTheDistance
a reply to: Azureblue

I believe it's mostly carbon fiber, and the growth on it makes it clear that it's been in the water for some time. Also, a piece of damaged luggage washed up on the same island. The plane crashed. Get over it.

Perhaps you might like to read Jimstones conversations about that. 82.221.129.208...

82.221.129.208...

I believe this is a staged action to bring the MH-370 disappearance to a close. The wing flap is barnacled and found 4000 kms away from it last known point of contact. Only one luggage was found near the recovery site. No flight box recorder recovered, no seat cushions floated(those things always float to the surface in a sea crash). etc.

The Marine specialists say that where the wing-flap was found was exactly where the ocean currants would take crash debris. Then why didn't the search occur at that place(Reunion Island).

I understand over several million dollars have been spend using water sonar imaging devices to find and it only found the remnants of a downed ship from the early 1800's. It seems that the parties placed a financial budget on the search and it exceeded its' limit. Yet the wing-flap is being sent to France to be studied. The same place where it concluded that Princess Di was killed in a car crash driven by a drunk driver fleeing from a group of paparazzi.

The authorities (Mal, Aus, CH) involved wanted to close the case and move on to others economical and political matters.

I don't buy it. Give me more evidence to conclude otherwise.

originally posted by: RossWellOldMexico
The wing flap is barnacled and found 4000 kms away from it last known point of contact.

Due to tidal movements, and entirely predicted by computer modeling.

originally posted by: RossWellOldMexico
Only one luggage was found near the recovery site.

Yes, because the tidal carry of what they've found was only expected to arrive after 18 to 24 months. There will be more arriving.

originally posted by: RossWellOldMexico
No flight box recorder recovered, no seat cushions floated(those things always float to the surface in a sea crash). etc.

The flight recorder is one part of a huge plane, and you think it's suspicious that this important part didn't magically understand that it was the most important part?
Are inanimate objects now capable of making decisions?
How inconvenient it is that the only evidence you would accept (but we know you actually wouldn't) didn't offer itself up immediately.
And, if it had been one of the first things located, you would then be screaming "See! How coincidental is that!?"

originally posted by: RossWellOldMexico
The Marine specialists say that where the wing-flap was found was exactly where the ocean currants would take crash debris. Then why didn't the search occur at that place(Reunion Island).

You do understand that the currents take months to carry debris that far, and this means that that debris would have taken months to reach that location from the crash site?
If you're asking questions as basic as this then I think we have a better understanding of why this confuses you so much.

The plane crashed in the search zone they've been working in off the West of Australia, modeling predicted tides would carry debris for 18 to 24 months in a specific direction, and that direction passes Reunion. They might have been a little off with the time it took, but it's entirely consistent that debris would end up arriving at Reunion, if it existed.

originally posted by: RossWellOldMexico
I understand over several million dollars have been spend using water sonar imaging devices to find and it only found the remnants of a downed ship from the early 1800's. It seems that the parties placed a financial budget on the search and it exceeded its' limit. Yet the wing-flap is being sent to France to be studied. The same place where it concluded that Princess Di was killed in a car crash driven by a drunk driver fleeing from a group of paparazzi.

I fail to understand what any of this has to do with the investigation.
And you do understand that the passing of Diana is another completely unfounded conspiracy theory too, right?
Unless you have some kind of evidence to prove something else happened, this is utterly pointless.

originally posted by: RossWellOldMexico
The authorities (Mal, Aus, CH) involved wanted to close the case and move on to others economical and political matters.

Right, so they waited longer than a year to do that, when they could have just dropped that magical mock-up debris somewhere where it would be found much sooner.
They managed to duplicate debris from the plane, managed to even put barnacles on it (and ones presumably native to that area too), managed to place it without anyone knowing, just hoping that this would make everyone go "Oh, okay, we found a piece, now we can stop looking for the rest of it!"

What do you think they're going to do, just stop looking now that they've found evidence of the crash?

originally posted by: RossWellOldMexico
I don't buy it. Give me more evidence to conclude otherwise.

Give us all more evidence for the nonsense you believe. All the available evidence and data is there for all to see and yet you just decide it's all wrong, then create your own suspicions about that evidence, and claim some completely ludicrous things without any evidence for any of it at all!

How can you demand more evidence than you've already seen, while not providing any evidence yourself for why you reject the actual evidence!?

Ultimately, it's going to be interesting what happens when they find more debris and locate the crash site. Will you then claim that the plane itself was "planted" to end the investigation?

originally posted by: AdmireTheDistance
a reply to: Azureblue

I believe it's mostly carbon fiber, and the growth on it makes it clear that it's been in the water for some time. Also, a piece of damaged luggage washed up on the same island. The plane crashed. Get over it.

I would say flaps are made of an aliminium alloy. It could float because of closed hollow spaces in it.

Does a piece of washed up luggage prove that both items weren't planted? I don't think so. Btw, was it proven that the luggage came from MH370?

a reply to: Layaly

I would like to point out this post in this thread, showing a possible motive,

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Hi ATS, been awhile since I visited ATS. When news of this flap washed ashore, decided to check what ATS members might be talking about. As a Malaysian, this news is so unusual coincidence...coming right in the moment when the hated beleagured prime minister had launched a kind of purge on all those investigating his USD700M /MYR2.6B siphoning of public money into his personal bank account. He was about to be issued a so-called arrest warrant when the Attorney-General was unceremoniously relief of his position under the pretext that he had kidney problem and 3 months shy of his proper retirement age. And then, bang! This curious news. Malaysian government is not capable of manufacturing this kind of conspiracy. Only with assistance from powerful and sophisticated players. For info, Malaysia is involved in the TPPA trade agreement. There are rumbling in Malaysia against the Malaysian government from signing this. But alas, the hated prime minister is a weak, incompetent and sadist person with scandals the size of a beached whale, so an easy target for blackmail and manipulation. So, again, this is a very unusual coincidence with respect to Malaysia. As far as the world is concerned, maybe ATS can enlightened us. What other birds can this one "stone" killed? China? Thank you.

And how symbolic that the world was "reunited" with MH370 on Reunion Island.