Austin City Council Votes To Ban BBQ Restaurants

originally posted by: SonOfThor
a reply to: StallionDuck

You are way out of touch if you want to compare the aroma of BBQ to an industrial burnoff smell.

You also realize that these BBQ joints typically don't have smoke just billowing out blanketing everything within a 100' radius, sure there is an aroma, but most of these big pits are designed to exit out through a chimney or pipes into the open where the smoke disperses quite rapidly.

I think living in Austin is getting to your head Mr. Ducky.

I knew someone would twist it. It's the SAME thing. It's a smell. You'll apparently notice one more than the other. My point was just that. Replace the smell and see how ok you are with it. Some people like the smell of cherry's. I HATE the smell of cherry's, but I love to eat them. You can't have it your way. You're not the only person on the planet. If I make a bonfire, I could still feel the heat from 100'. It's that bloody close.

I think some of you folx are arguing just to piss off the next guy. I really do. You can't be that damned.....

whatever.

a reply to: Bloodydagger

If people want to look for blame here, seek whoever gave those restaurants planning permission to be located where they are.

Here's a hint... The state became Republican controlled in 1994. The restaurant complaining in the article opened in 1999.
In addition to that, Austin is in the 10th District, which is Represented by Michael McCaul - a REPUBLICAN.

So, while you want to claim that this all some kind Obama-led Liberal/Commie conspiracy, you might actually want to do a little more digging before someone across the pond in the UK spends five minutes doing some Googling to find out the actual facts.

While I'm here, I'll also point out (as others have) that this is a requirement to invest in filtering systems, not a "ban" on anything. None of these businesses are being required to close.

Also quite amusing that the restaurant in question is so "under threat" and scared for their future that they are shutting themselves down for 11 days while they go on vacation! lol

I'll also suggest that it's pretty funny for the piece to be raving about how amazingly popular that business is, while also then seem to be not making enough money from their amazingly popular business to be able to invest a modest sum to continue to grow in accordance with expected and entirely predictable laws.

Any business going since 1999 should be able to pay for this to be done, if they can't then they are operating a failed business.

Aside from all of that, in most SENSIBLE cities/states/nations, the elected government of an area has specific rules on what kind of business can be placed where, based on how that business impacts on the surroundings. It seems the Republicans in charge have thrown out any notion of what sensible means and decided that this business can be right there next to homes, without considering at all the impact it might have on those living in them. Now they're having to redress this after constant complaints from those residents.

Planning like this is common sense, because it means you don't have sex shops opening up next to schools, or bars opening up next to religious buildings, or indeed smelly restaurants right next to private homes.

It's a shame that the government still has to enforce common sense laws through bodies like the EPA, when these things SHOULD be enforced by cities and states for the health and betterment of their own environment and citizens.

Basically (tldr) maybe if your Republicans in Texas had used their brains, the big bad Liberal gubment wouldn't now have to be smacking some common sense into these politicians for their idiotic decisions at the city/state level?

a reply to: Bloodydagger

I didn't believe any rhetoric implying a civil war in the United States, but after reading this I will begin to humor it. As a Texan I am concerned Haha.

a reply to: Rocker2013

It's Bush's fault!

*shakes fist at Texas*

"Darn you! Darn you all to heck!"

originally posted by: StallionDuck

originally posted by: Liquesence
a reply to: beezzer

I never said no more BBQ.

I love BBQ, but I am also able to try to see the other side of the argument against the smoke in large daily quantities.

No worries man. The logic that takes place on these forums blow my mind. 100' is damn near spitting distance. I'm loosing faith in this world when people don't think rationally. It's all "It's a WAR on BBQ!" when the real issue is the damages and overpowering constant smell that these people endure every single day. I don't think 100' is asking for much. That's much less than a house lot away.

Really?

Unlike indoor tobacco smoke, which can persist for hours, the researchers found that outdoor smoke disappears rapidly when a cigarette is extinguished. "Our data also show that if you move about six feet away from an outdoor smoker, your exposure levels are much lower," Klepeis added.

news.stanford.edu...

And that's from an anti-smoking post. 6' for TOBACCO. Sounds like a control issue. These homeowners think they are the only entities that matter. Go to hell imo.

originally posted by: Bloodydagger

originally posted by: StallionDuck
a reply to: Bloodydagger

It doesn't effect the inside of your house. I live in an area where everyone grills outside and BBQ's all day every single weekend. Its only when you're outside that you can smell the BBQ smoke. When I'm inside, you cannot smell it. I guess you could smell it inside if you left every single window and door open, however, nobody in their right mind does that these days where I live due to the horrible humidity and heat. You need AC or you're miserable when inside. That in itself would be more torture than "BBQ smoke".

BBQ is meant to be smelled here in the South. The smell of BBQ means that its spring time and summer time. A time to be outside enjoying the nice weather with friends and having a beer and BSing. Yeah, if you're outside and smelling BBQ smoke, it means that the weather is nice and that someone is having a good fun family time.

Again... Are you serious? Ask some of the fire fighters here about homes that have burnt down and the smell lingering in other peoples homes. Though, you're saying I shouldn't have the right to open any window in my home?

I really don't think you live in Texas... or you don't own or know anything about homes.

My work is done here. ATS... I expected better from you. Simple logic... simple thought. Is that too much to ask?

a reply to: intrepid

You're comparing a cig to a smoke stack...

*Face Palm*

originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: Rocker2013

It's Bush's fault!

*shakes fist at Texas*

"Darn you! Darn you all to heck!"

Nah, just politicians in general.
I just felt inclined to redress the balance of political point-scoring, with some reality as an antidote to the OP's conservative ranting

originally posted by: StallionDuck
a reply to: intrepid

You're comparing a cig to a smoke stack...

*Face Palm*

I'm comparing 6' to 100'. Yes, facepalm. Maybe if you took some aerodynamics courses this will remove the palm from my face.

originally posted by: Bloodydagger

originally posted by: GuidedKill

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: Bloodydagger
Anyone complaining about the smell of BBQ needs to turn in their TEXAS card and be escorted to the nearest state border.

Smelling it everyday with no escape from it, even in your own home, is too much and can be considered a violation against the home owners.

And can also be considered a health hazard, breathing in smoke every single day.

HAHAHAHAHA so now smelling good food is considered a health hazard?? Laughable!!!!

Yeah, its like they are thinking that "Smoking BBQ" means that black/gray smoke is bellowing out of these grills and BBQ joints that have contaminated toxic chemicals in them or something. When someone says "Smoking BBQ", its the smell of the food that you're smelling. You're not breathing ACTUAL smoke like you would a cigarette or something.

These clueless vegetarian pc liberals need to take their tofu eating asses back to where they came from.

geez, did you read the article?.....the home owners were there first, NOT the b-b-q place...and there are a lot of right-wing conservative home-owners that don't want 15 hours of inhaling smoke, and the tiny soot particles, and specks of grease, falling on their backyard furniture, windows, plants and shrubs, cars, boats, etc.....maybe it's bass boats and new F-150's getting damaged from the smoke and not some "PC liberal"

originally posted by: StallionDuck

originally posted by: Bloodydagger

originally posted by: StallionDuck
a reply to: Bloodydagger

It doesn't effect the inside of your house. I live in an area where everyone grills outside and BBQ's all day every single weekend. Its only when you're outside that you can smell the BBQ smoke. When I'm inside, you cannot smell it. I guess you could smell it inside if you left every single window and door open, however, nobody in their right mind does that these days where I live due to the horrible humidity and heat. You need AC or you're miserable when inside. That in itself would be more torture than "BBQ smoke".

BBQ is meant to be smelled here in the South. The smell of BBQ means that its spring time and summer time. A time to be outside enjoying the nice weather with friends and having a beer and BSing. Yeah, if you're outside and smelling BBQ smoke, it means that the weather is nice and that someone is having a good fun family time.

Again... Are you serious? Ask some of the fire fighters here about homes that have burnt down and the smell lingering in other peoples homes. Though, you're saying I shouldn't have the right to open any window in my home?

I really don't think you live in Texas... or you don't own or know anything about homes.

My work is done here. ATS... I expected better from you. Simple logic... simple thought. Is that too much to ask?

I do live in Texas. I've also grilled for over 25 years. I worked at Jack's Smokehouse for 15 years (some of the best BBQ in central Texas tyvm) - I've been around grilling and BBQ my entire life. I know a thing or two in which I am talking about here.

I really don't think you know anything about Texas, Southern cultures, BBQing or grilling outside of slapping a hamburger pattie or a hot dog wiener on a grill and thinking that is what BBQing is all about. Where are you from?

So it wasn't a ban in the first place and it has been tabled since.
In other word y'all got your panties in a bunch over nothing.

Well at least you got to rag on obama and liberals over something this wasn't going to happen.

Pecan is my new fave!


a reply to: roadgravel

Of course, they hate the BBQ smell. It interrupts the fine bouquet of their own smug.

originally posted by: BlueJacket
Pecan is my new fave!


a reply to: roadgravel

Pecan is good. I also love cherry, mesquite and oak.

originally posted by: Bloodydagger

“If this resolution passes, we would be forced to close or move. It would destroy Austin barbecue.” says Aaron Franklin, owner of Franklin’s BBQ in Austin.

Austin, Texas has long been a destination for Americans of all stripes in their quest to find the best barbecue in the nation.

However, if the Austin City Council gets their way, food tourism may soon be a thing of the past.

Austin City Council members passed a preliminary plan in April to put restrictions on smoke from barbeque restaurants. Some Austin residents complain of the barbecue smoke saying they can’t enjoy their homes they purchased before some of these restaurants moved in.

The city council’s current proposal will require smoke diffusers and will also limit the amount of time that restaurants can smoke. These restrictions will require at least $100,000 in extra investments for most barbecue restaurants as they will be forced to buy extra smokers along with severely expensive diffusers, and in some cases will have to lease or purchase more property.

Source

This pisses me off. I am a proud Texan. Texas and BBQ are synonymous. What in the hell is going on in America today? Is this Obama's vision of America happening before our very eyes?

It seems as if the big-government liberals ruin one area after another. Then they move to a new area and start their same control-freak, oppressive crap there. They're like an infective organism. They are parasites, in the purest sense of the word. They took the capitol (Austin) then established themselves in the larger areas like Houston, Dallas, and San Antonio. Now their tendrils are grasping all the little towns in the general area. Harris county is about full commie now. They have ruined even the places that used to be good outside of Houston, like Baytown and Highlands. We basically live in Matamoros now. Or to be technical it's run like Cuba, or Maoist China.

The Florida BBQ incident and now this.....

Is BBQ racist or something now? Did I miss the memo? What are they trying to do to the South? The Rebel Flag and now BBQ? Both things SYNONYMOUS to the South! Liberal idiots are trying to rip the culture out of the South it seems.

Whats next? Taking away our BBQ grills? "Gun grabbers" "Rebel Flag grabbers" and now "BBQ grill grabbers"?

Wake up, we aren't in America anymore.

here's Obama in Franklins b-b-q in Austin, Texas. he shelled out 102 bucks (when he cut in front of the line) to the people that were waiting.....
nypost.com...

Cherry for chicken
pecan for brisket
apple for ribeye
pork...well piggy just tastes great under any wood but I prefer maple and oak


a reply to: Bloodydagger

originally posted by: SonOfThor
a reply to: introvert

What personal property rights are you saying are being infringed? Is the air yours? Do you have a fireplace or chimney? Do you mow your lawn?

It offends me when people mow their lawns in the spring, have fireplaces in the winter, and BBQ any time of the year, because the smells crossed my property line and entered my nostrils, thus infringing upon my liberty. (sarcasm)

Grow up bud, your 'property rights' don't trump my rights to do what I want on my property.

Actually, did you know that property owners do own the air above their property, up to a certain point?

I thought we were constitutionalists around here? Don't we believe in personal property rights and personal responsibility? I'm all about some BBQ but if what a business is doing affects my living space, regardless of what it is, I have a right to ask them to stop.

That's what the people of this neighborhood apparently did.

Would it be ok if a slaughter house was built in the neighborhood you lived in? You did not differentiate from the smell being pleasant or not. How would you feel then?

It offends me when people mow their lawns in the spring, have fireplaces in the winter, and BBQ any time of the year, because the smells crossed my property line and entered my nostrils, thus infringing upon my liberty. (sarcasm)

I wanted to add something: Did you know that in most cities and towns mowing your lawn and your fireplace smoke is regulated? There are city codes that must be followed or you can be liable.

Can you mow your lawn at 1 in the morning? I don't think so.

originally posted by: introvert
Would it be ok if a slaughter house was built in the neighborhood you lived in? You did not differentiate from the smell being pleasant or not. How would you feel then?

A tad different. The difference is that cooked food smells good. An abattoir smells like death. It really does. I've worked in more than one. The difference? No smoke from a slaughterhouse. Smell.... the worst. BBQ? Smoke that dissipates and leave the smell of heaven behind. I say close the BBQ joints down. Turn them into arbitrators and ask them if this is better. I can tell you, your Froot Loops will never taste them same again.