Heaven & Hell Aren't Real.. Or else Aliens Maybe?

I have a bit of a theory I thought of the other day, I thought I'd share it here because this is the place for such things.

I am not sure why, but it popped into my head while watching some Neil DeGrasse Tyson space videos.

I'm not religious, just thought I'd state that first, lol.

Anyways, when you ask someone where is Hell, or any time it's mentioned it's almost always down. So if you are looking at a globe, there would be arrows all over it pointing at the globe, meaning it would be somewhere inside of Earth right?

Then when you say where is Heaven, or you read about it or it's featured somewhere in a movie or anywhere, it's always up. Again you get a globe and it would be covered with arrows all pointing away from Earth. So Heaven is not on earth, it's out from it, BUT, it is NOT in space they say, because if it was, then we would be talking about Aliens and Extra Terrestrials, which they don't. So Heaven is up, but it's not in the blue part of the sky because that is just light from the color spectrum or whatever and rotates around as we go day / night, so it has to be in the atmosphere somewhere, but not in space itself.

Ok, so Heaven and Hell are tied to Earth then. Heaven and Hell are supposedly eternal places.... but they can't be.

The Andromeda galaxy is a "rogue galaxy" and is on a collision course with our Milky Way galaxy. When they collide in however long (it's a long time from now) both galaxies will be pretty much obliterated. Our Sol system will be completely destroyed, it's just a tiny tiny tiny part of a galaxy, and we have 2 massive galaxies ramming into each other.

So.. Heaven and Hell can't be eternal, they will be destroyed if they are on Earth, or in fact anywhere in our Milky Way Galaxy.

That doesn't mean they aren't necessarily "real" (I don't believe in them, no evidence). Say they are real though, well, they certainly can't be in our galaxy as a God who is all mighty and immortal and all knowing wouldn't set up their base & eternal realms in our Galaxy because they would know it will be destroyed when the galaxies collide. If it was real, their whole setup would have to be over in another Galaxy that is safe, and that would mean that they are Aliens

So, none of it us real.. or, it has to be highly advanced Extra Terrestrials.

Any thoughts?

I like to think that Heaven and Hell are manifestations of your thoughts on a higher dimension. If you live a 3d life, and then move up to a higher frequency such as 4, 5, 6d then I would assume that if you had lived a negative 3d life your higher life would be negative, as goes for positive. I think we create our own reality based on how we decide to manifest thoughts. To live a positive life you must first have a positive mindset.

I don't believe in the harp-on-a-cloud version of heaven, and I don't believe in hell at all.

The Revelation depicts men living in the New Jerusalem which comes down from heaven to the earth - and why not? Earth is our home.

originally posted by: Lazarus Short
I don't believe in the harp-on-a-cloud version of heaven, and I don't believe in hell at all.

The Revelation depicts men living in the New Jerusalem which comes down from heaven to the earth - and why not? Earth is our home.

Heaven is outerspace or the cosmos.
The Woman of Revelation is the constelation Virgo and the Dragon is the constelation hydra.
Leo is the lion of the tribe of judah. Venus is the morning star.

As Above, So Below.
On earth as it is in heaven.
As Above the Firmament, So Below the Firmament.

a reply to: intunewithmyself

But when the galaxies collide, those higher dimensions you talked about would also exist there as well, and would destroy the ones here no?

a reply to: Belcastro

So aliens?

originally posted by: DumpMaster
a reply to: Belcastro

So aliens?

or angels. in the Bible jesus said to his apostles "Ye are Gods."

a reply to: DumpMaster

In my opinion, the planet earth is hell, look around at the inequality, rogue governments, war, death, propaganda machine, mindbogglingly insane politicians and other wastes of space, starving children / child slavery, Corporate greed, raping the planet of her natural resources and I could go on - there is no freedom on this planet, only the illusion of freedom, otherwise I would not need a passport to move between countries, I would not need to produce X pieces of ID to get something - those who have control of steering society have ensured that these fundamental control mechanisms are firmly in place - to set boundaries and impose limitations.

Heaven is when our energy (soul) finally escapes our biological body for the last time and moves on to a higher plane of existence. Until our energy develops and becomes ultra-tuned, we are destined to die, and be reincarnated back here, until the tuning is complete, again my opinion.

It's up to the energy (soul) to determine how long that tuning takes to complete, but I suspect quite a few life-times.

originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: DumpMaster

In my opinion, the planet earth is hell, look around at the inequality, rogue governments, war, death, propaganda machine, mindbogglingly insane politicians and other wastes of space, starving children / child slavery, Corporate greed, raping the planet of her natural resources and I could go on - there is no freedom on this planet, only the illusion of freedom, otherwise I would not need a passport to move between countries, I would not need to produce X pieces of ID to get something - those who have control of steering society have ensured that these fundamental control mechanisms are firmly in place - to set boundaries and impose limitations.

Heaven is when our energy (soul) finally escapes our biological body for the last time and moves on to a higher plane of existence. Until our energy develops and becomes ultra-tuned, we are destined to die, and be reincarnated back here, until the tuning is complete, again my opinion.

It's up to the energy (soul) to determine how long that tuning takes to complete, but I suspect quite a few life-times.

I'm on the same thinking as you. My only question is what the hell did I do to end up here lol?

I don't necessarily 100% believe that the devil is what is mostly portrayed. I think it's an interesting theory that Satan (can't think of what his biblical name was) was a bad dude. I think there is some theories to believe that he was actually a good angel that was trying to do good for the human race at one point. But just like our gov't does now, someone tries to tell the truth and they will do everything to make your life a living hell to make you look like a terrible person. Which then turns to you having zero credibility.

a reply to: DumpMaster

I have a dualistic opinion on this subject, and both are equally plausible. 1. Religion was invented in order to enslave the human populace. It was the initial way of controlling masses in each/own region in order to propogate a hierarchy of kings and peasents. Up is always good, down is always bad. Up is the light, down is the dark. You want to always be in the light so that is where good resides, it is promising, more so than dark. The body always exists in the middle of up and down, light and dark, so what the body does while on this plane of existence determines where the soul will drift once dead, laws made by kings and other powerful people in order to control the masses free will for their own good and well being. Fear is instilled at young ages in order for the to search for the light their entire life, and if it is not available to a slave beaten to hell while in physical form, it will be available to that slave after they are dead since they followed God's orders and obeyed the words of their masters. However, If a slave were to kill a person in order to escape slavery, they were to be condemned to hell, catch my drift?

2. Heaven and hell are metaphysical and neither exist on Earth. There is no up or down, light or dark, fires or paradise. All afterlife is, is the next step, and either your soul on this Earth progressed through life, stagnated, or degressed. Through reincarnation on this planet or another you will be tested in order to perfect your soul, or, to live a life of imperfection as your soul will never learn how to live in a universe of harmony and destruction. the Yin and Yang is what everything is about, all life and matter, and if your soul or being does not find that balance it will go to one imbalance. Therefore, a mass murder or serial killer rapist in one life, may be resent to the Earth to continually be aborted or murdered as a young child in order to teach the presciousness of life and the brevity of it. Or may take a great soul that did much for others in a past life since they had a lot to give into a situatioun where they are given nothing in order to test their worth, or how giving they are when they have nothing themself, the true test on how a soul could evolve.

I could go on about these theorys but they are just that, theorys. It depends on how you look at it and what you think is real. Nothing is real untill you believe it is real and that reality plays out in your own mind.

originally posted by: Belcastro

originally posted by: DumpMaster
a reply to: Belcastro

So aliens?

or angels. in the Bible jesus said to his apostles "Ye are Gods."

Jesus did say "Ye are Gods" and that point has fascinated me about why religion even exists. If mortals are Gods as well, then we should not put faith in a higher power over ourselves, unless we are demeaning our own power as a person.

originally posted by: Lazarus Short
I don't believe in the harp-on-a-cloud version of heaven, and I don't believe in hell at all.

The Revelation depicts men living in the New Jerusalem which comes down from heaven to the earth - and why not? Earth is our home.

But has Earth always been our home?

originally posted by: iDope

originally posted by: Lazarus Short
I don't believe in the harp-on-a-cloud version of heaven, and I don't believe in hell at all.

The Revelation depicts men living in the New Jerusalem which comes down from heaven to the earth - and why not? Earth is our home.

But has Earth always been our home?

Yes.

Heaven and hell exist in the spiritual dimension, which exists beyond our 3 dimensional (4 if you count time) universe.

They are not places we can point to because we cannot properly comprehend them in our state of existence.

originally posted by: iDope

originally posted by: Lazarus Short
I don't believe in the harp-on-a-cloud version of heaven, and I don't believe in hell at all.

The Revelation depicts men living in the New Jerusalem which comes down from heaven to the earth - and why not? Earth is our home.

But has Earth always been our home?

Interesting question.

We live on Earth, a planet with lots of water, and according to planet-wide myth (and substantial evidence), at some point in the not-so-distant past, it got a lot more.

Then you've got Mars, a planet which once had seas, but now has very little water.

Is it possible that the two planets once got so close that Mars' water flowed down a gravity gradient to Earth, and possibly carried a big box full of animals and humans with it?

Box = ark.

Soehow all this doesnt make sense to me...specially when looking at After Death Experiences in different cultures...why should an ever loving God creat Hell to punish souls??
In my opinion these realities have been created by Aliens to enslave humanity...don't ask me why, but in two occasions during surgery I saw aliens, like in a dream, controlling our universe..not the typical Gray ones but more mantis-like Aliens...if there was hell and heaven there should be tales from what comes afterwards...I have read a lot about all this and it just doenst add up

“Maybe this world is another planet’s hell.”
― Aldous Huxley

I think old Aldous was on to something.

The Bible never mentions The Hell as a place. The whole fiery place underground was invented around the Medieval Period. The Old Testament doesn't even mention Hell, not a single time. Even in the New Testament, Hell is mentioned rarely.

Sometimes The Hell is described as total separation from God, maybe Atheism is The Hell

a reply to: iDope

Jesus did say "Ye are Gods" and that point has fascinated me about why religion even exists. If mortals are Gods as well, then we should not put faith in a higher power over ourselves, unless we are demeaning our own power as a person.

The entire "Ye Are Gods" is vastly misunderstood and taken completely out of contextual understanding.

A Psalm of Asaph.
Psa 82:1-7
(1) God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.
(2) How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.
(3) Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.
(4) Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.
(5) They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.
(6) I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
(7) But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.

Any decree of the King is law to that nation. As you can see in the above Psalm that gods is not referenced to as spiritual beings but mere humans who are sons of God and will die like humans.

Jesus was being accused of blasphemy which in this case He claimed to be the son of God. Just like in the Psalms there are many sons and also daughters of God who are simply humans who are in God’s favor. King David accepted this as law unto Israel.

John 10:31-36
(31) Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
(32) Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
(33)The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
(34) Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
(35) If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
(36) Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

The entire “Ye Are Gods” is that Jesus used the law of the King to exonerate His claim that He also was a son of God. If He, Jesus, was blaspheming by His claim then King David was also guilty of the same offense. Case closed. Jesus was found not guilty by the Sanhedrin on this count.

a reply to: gemini77

Soehow all this doesnt make sense to me...specially when looking at After Death Experiences in different cultures...why should an ever loving God creat Hell to punish souls?? In my opinion these realities have been created by Aliens to enslave humanity...don't ask me why, but in two occasions during surgery I saw aliens, like in a dream, controlling our universe..not the typical Gray ones but more mantis-like Aliens...if there was hell and heaven there should be tales from what comes afterwards...I have read a lot about all this and it just doenst add

Hell is not mentioned in the Hebrew texts but is understood as the neither world in Sheol. It is a containment of permanent separation from God. To help your understanding go on line internet and download the book of Enoch. Read Enoch and perhaps that will answer some of what you want to know.