Aliens cannot live on Earth

1. Maybe they aren't aliens.
2. Maybe these beings do live on Earth and have about as long or longer than we have?

P.S. Read my UFO Explanations. The first one got lost on the old format.

Like I said they appear to me to be a living machine (Roswell and how the controls appeared to be controled by them being wired into the circut),

I bet they were running on Windoze...

Cobra...It is hard to say how the Greys manage to survive. You have from me a respected point in your post, ( But not with what you say about 90% of the stuff on this site is easly explained with resonable science), and so I hope that this may help you to understand what is belived to be what the GREYS are and look like..
The head is large by human standard. Eyes are generally slanted, large and black. Nose is usually vague. 2 small ears are visible. Mouth is indicated by a small slit without lips, this appears to be non-functional. No teeth in the mouth cavity. The body and head are completely hairless.
Torso is described as small and thin, often covered in a metallic garment.
Arms are long and thin, and reach to the knees.
Reports of the fingers vary from 3 to 4, long webbed, and possibly with a claw or finger nail.

The legs are short and thin, most reports of the feet say that they are covered.
The Brain is larger than ours and has more than 2 lobes, possibly 3. The third lobe is thought to be used for telepathic communication.
Skin description ranges from light tan to the pasty grey color. Texture is described as scaly or reptilian in nature. No muscle or skeletal structure is visible.
No external reproductive genital, possible reproduction by a cloning method.

No discernible digestive tract found, but a 2-piece organ that seems to be a combined heart and lungs organ. Digestive functioning is believed to be through the skin in a form of osmosis
The Grey is the most commonly reported alien in recent times. Mentally, this species function in what might be termed a "group mind". They do not seem to have individualized consciousness.
The 'Grey's' seem to be a scientifically based society that functions to study other lifeforms. Their main purpose seems to be human study and genetics, also possible cross breeding with humans.
One of the key factors of the ABDUCTION syndrome is the 'Grey's' ability to telepathically communicate. Most of this interaction is accomplished through the eyes.
The Eye's are one of the most striking elements of Abductions and various descriptions of the eyes have been reported. The black look of the eye may be a possible lens covering to protect from high levels of UV rays.
Some reports have stated that the Greys where biomechanical suites which helps to protect them from UV rays.
Also they have lived on the Earth for so long that they have developed their own immunity to any earth born virus or bacteria much the same as we have. Their purpose is total take over of the planet earth and other planetry bodies in our Galaxy by their masters the reptilians and of coures themselfs.

Originally posted by clive
The head is large by human standard.

Then why isn't the neck also larger?

Torso is described as small and thin, often covered in a metallic garment.

How can a small and thin torso support a large head?

Their purpose is total take over of the planet earth and other planetry bodies in our Galaxy

Why?

Humans have cavities & pockets of non-bone material taking up most of the volume in the head...If those cavities were filled with bone, even our own neck-musculature wouldn't be able to support our heads. However, who's to say that an even *lower ratio* of a Grey's head is actual bone-material...If that's the case, then they wouldn't *need* stronger necks.

Also, I don't remember of any described encounter with Greys as mentioning them using a lot of head/neck motions during the encounter...Perhaps their necks may even be made more of tendons/extra bone structures which might reduce the level of neck-flexibility but still support the greater weight.

Basically, I've merely described 2 possiblities (of many possibilities) that could explain how (biologically speaking) they could be supporting larger heads.

In case you're wondering, my most recent bout of research has been in genetic engineering...This seems to be a relatively new field with such promise (or curse) as the world has never seen before. From what I understand already, nearly *anything* can be engineered biologically...Once the knowledge & technique is properly developed.

However, being able to project genetic *possibilities* as a biological structure is something I can extrapolate, even if we don't yet have the actual technology to *accomplish* it for ourselves.

As a matter of fact, once I get some more research under my cap, I'm intending on starting a new thread devoted to genetic engineering...

Then why isn't the neck also larger?
How can a small and thin torso support a large head?

not that I accept any of these concepts as fact, but I think the explanation would be fairly obvious.
they come from a planet with lower gravity.


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Their purpose is total take over of the planet earth and other planetary bodies in our Galaxy
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Why?

who knows, maybe they're miners, or envoys from the alien version of McDonalds, look at the aggressive re-settlement programs those two industries utilise.

Originally posted by Lupe
but I think the explanation would be fairly obvious. they come from a planet with lower gravity.

1- Then how can they support their head in our heavier gravity?

2- Why aren't they taller, which would happen in lower gravity?

Originally posted by MidnightDStroyer
Humans have cavities & pockets of non-bone material taking up most of the volume in the head...
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But these supposed "greys" have a larger head and a thinner neck/body. Our skulls comprise the most dense (no pun) region of our bodies. Our necks are the most thickly muscled (by volume) region of our bodies. Evolution has shown us that it surrounds the brain with thick dense bone, we could expect a species with a highly advanced larger brain (as supposedly reported in greys) to be encased in a similar protective shell, making their total head mass more than ours. Thus, evolution would provide them with a stout neck to support the heavy head.

Greys (as popular alien mythos describes them) are fiction created by people with little understanding of physiology.

1- Then how can they support their head in our heavier gravity?

as far as I'm aware they don't wander around kaed on our planet so theoretically their suits support their heads in the same manner that our astronauts suits support their helmet.

to further this argument, imagine an alien regarding a space suited human.

they may well assume we were 6 ft tall, and massively bulky with huge round heads a single eye and gint feet.

2- Why aren't they taller, which would happen in lower gravity?

why are giraffes taller than humans?
creatures evolve partially due to environment and partially due to necessity.

repoorts of "greys" vary from very tall thin creatures (which suggests lower gravity) to small blue dwarves (which suggests higher) but who knows, maybe on their planet the small blue guys are a burrowing species whilst the tall thin ones liked fruit from tall trees.

Originally posted by Lupe
why are giraffes taller than humans?
creatures evolve partially due to environment and partially due to necessity.

Perhaps another facet should be examined...Genetic engineering. Humankind is now within a few generations of being able to *control* its own evolution...Who's to say that a spacefaring race hasn't already been able to do that for themselves to a much greater extent than we can for ourselves?

For example, even if the skulls of the Greys were larger & heavier, why couldn't they have gengineered stronger support structures in the neck & upper torso area to compensate for that? Perhaps denser muscle & connective tissues or perhaps even strengthened with artificial implants (such as plastics & elastics) is what gives us that "thin-bodied, large-headed" description. Such techniques would make their necks stronger without being larger in apparent volume.

I have some theoretical answers for many of you're questions...

Q: How are the greys able to support such a large head with such a small neck?

A)First of all, no one really knows if the greys are made of muscle and bone. Their "muscles" or "bones" could be made of totally different materials than man's, and therefore, could be stronger. Also, just because man has such a large neck ratioed with his head as compared to a grey does not mean that his neck needs to be that large, only that it is.

Q) How can the greys reproduce? They have no genitalia!

A) They could reproduce asexually, that is without any reproductive organs. They could split like Earthly bacteria do. Who knows? They went through a completely different evolutionary ladder than we did, so they could reproduce in ways we can't even concieve of.

Q) How are they resistant to our atmeosphere and diseases?

A) Their medicine is thousands, possibly millions or even billions of years ahead of ours. With their medicine they could easily make resistances to our diseases. Another point is, how do we know that their atmeosphere is not at all like ours? It could be made of the same or nearly the same stuff, so they could still breathe in ours. Also, how do we know that the grey skins and eyes we see on them are not actually protective suits?

B) They don't exist.

no no no and no.
you are thinking way to blindly,
you are talking of the neck as by a HUMAN standart, we all know there is myriads of ways life could have forged them, maybe their muscles are stronger, maybe they are lighter, who know? the possibilities are INFINITE
so think INFINITY

If the "greys" don't exist how come so many people from all around the world with consistent stories claim to have seen them?

I know hypnosis is questionable in accuracy, but there are a large number of consistent abduction claims recalled with and without hypnosis were people have seen the "greys".

www.viking-z.org...

Originally posted by Forever Zero

www.viking-z.org...

Woaaw... The right stuff for ATS. Exactely what we needs. It's sound like a good debunking story. Thanks FZ.

For further explaination on the history of the Grays:

www.negroleaguebaseball.com...

It's rumored Josh Gibson's hitting was light years beyond that of Babe Ruth...

Hahahaha!!!

Yeah, Josh Gibson was the greatest hitter of all time!!! Imagine if he was in the majors...

I've never seen an alien, but I have seen many U.F.O's. In 1995 I observed anywhere from 150-200 low flying objects in one sighting. They were bright star-like objects which could move up, down and sideways. One came within 20 feet of me.

How on earth can you say that?

If we can breath under water using specialist equipment, then surly a race of beings could use something along these grounds but much better than anything that we can devise?

If we were to use some type of environmental suite for going into a possible dangerous atmosphere on say an alien planet using the colours that the NASA astronoughts have would we be called the WHITE,REDS YELLOWS OR PINKS?