4 Legged Snake Discovered.

Now here is something interesting. A 4 legged snake fossil has been found in Brazil. The snake, named Tetrapodophis amplectus by the team, measured just 20 cm from head to toe. Source

Now the first known fossil of a four-legged snake has been discovered by scientists who believe it may help unravel the mystery of how exactly the slithering serpents lost their legs.

Dr Martill said: “It is generally accepted that snakes evolved from lizards at some point in the distant past. What scientists don’t know yet is when they evolved, why they evolved, and what type of lizard they evolved from.

“This fossil answers some very important questions, for example it now seems clear to us that snakes evolved from burrowing lizards, not from marine lizards.”

Of course this is no surprise to me, the Bible speaks of the serpent in the same fashion:

14 The Lord God said to the serpent,
“Because you have done this,
cursed are you above all livestock
and above all beasts of the field;
on your belly you shall go.....

Cool find whether you believe it or not.

a reply to: RealTruthSeeker

Evolution of Reptiles

i dont know why you find this remarkable, they have been around for millions of years. they were ancient when the first god was thought of.

but still, an excellent addition to our research in evolution. good find.

originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: RealTruthSeeker

Evolution of Reptiles

i dont know why you find this remarkable, they have been around for millions of years. they were ancient when the first god was thought of.

The only thing remarkable is the fact that it took science years to discover this when the answer was always there in the Bible.

originally posted by: RealTruthSeeker

originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: RealTruthSeeker

Evolution of Reptiles

i dont know why you find this remarkable, they have been around for millions of years. they were ancient when the first god was thought of.

The only thing remarkable is the fact that it took science years to discover this when the answer was always there in the Bible.

you say that like the bible invented snakes.

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: RealTruthSeeker

originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: RealTruthSeeker

Evolution of Reptiles

i dont know why you find this remarkable, they have been around for millions of years. they were ancient when the first god was thought of.

The only thing remarkable is the fact that it took science years to discover this when the answer was always there in the Bible.

or, you know, not be an attention whore.

deuces.

What is that suppose to mean? I don't see how that is relevant to what I posted.

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: RealTruthSeeker

originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: RealTruthSeeker

Evolution of Reptiles

i dont know why you find this remarkable, they have been around for millions of years. they were ancient when the first god was thought of.

The only thing remarkable is the fact that it took science years to discover this when the answer was always there in the Bible.

mhm. sure. whatever floats your ark.

Facts are facts right? Are you saying that it was not already written in the Bible before this discovery?

originally posted by: RealTruthSeeker

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: RealTruthSeeker

originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: RealTruthSeeker

Evolution of Reptiles

i dont know why you find this remarkable, they have been around for millions of years. they were ancient when the first god was thought of.

The only thing remarkable is the fact that it took science years to discover this when the answer was always there in the Bible.

or, you know, not be an attention whore.

deuces.

What is that suppose to mean? I don't see how that is relevant to what I posted.

dont worry, i put something more relevant. but allow me to translate for you: the wheel has already been invented, and using it to promote something that is completely irrelevant (like using four legged snakes to promote the bible) is a pretty sad and desperate pitch to follow. as though you are going to convince us to give credit for an act of evolution to an icon of creationism.

but bait is bait, amirite? i think i will quit nibbling now.

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: RealTruthSeeker

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: RealTruthSeeker

originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: RealTruthSeeker

Evolution of Reptiles

i dont know why you find this remarkable, they have been around for millions of years. they were ancient when the first god was thought of.

The only thing remarkable is the fact that it took science years to discover this when the answer was always there in the Bible.

or, you know, not be an attention whore.

deuces.

What is that suppose to mean? I don't see how that is relevant to what I posted.

dont worry, i put something more relevant. but allow me to translate for you: the wheel has already been invented, and using it to promote something that is completely irrelevant (like using four legged snakes to promote the bible) is a pretty sad and desperate pitch to follow. as though you are going to convince us to give credit for an act of evolution to an icon of creationism.

but bait is bait, amirite? i think i will quit nibbling now.

I get it. Only science is allowed to take credit for such knowledge right. Don't get brittle bro, I know it's hard for some to accept that this information was already here before science dug it out the earth. You don't have to agree with the Bible, but this is one fact you can't deny. What's so hard about giving credit were credit is due?

a reply to: RealTruthSeeker

Giving credit lends credence to your argument and the absolutely, fundamentally anti-religious will never, ever concede a scientific fact to the Bible.

Even the LHC is now confirming that which holds things together, but they'll never see the truth of it. It's Jesus.

And yes, the Bible does state that God commanded the serpent to go on his belly, which does indeed imply legs.

originally posted by: Joneselius
a reply to: RealTruthSeeker

Giving credit lends credence to your argument and the absolutely, fundamentally anti-religious will never, ever concede a scientific fact to the Bible.

Even the LHC is now confirming that which holds things together, but they'll never see the truth of it. It's Jesus.

And yes, the Bible does state that God commanded the serpent to go on his belly, which does indeed imply legs.

I'm not saying that this discovery proves that the Bible is true. I'm just pointing out that it is interesting that science whether they realize it or not has confirmed that snakes use to have legs, which is something we already knew from the Bible.

originally posted by: RealTruthSeeker
The only thing remarkable is the fact that it took science years to discover this when the answer was always there in the Bible.

Since you find that remarkable I can only assume you are very dilligent in your processing of information. Is there anything else you're waiting for science to catch up on that is written in the bible? Care to share any of these revelations in advance instead of waiting 'til science proves them to claim them for your religion?

Edit:

originally posted by: Joneselius
Even the LHC is now confirming that which holds things together, but they'll never see the truth of it. It's Jesus.

I'd love to see a link/source if you have one. Or at least an explanation of what makes you think this.

Along the same line of logic this thread is following, I can't wait til science confirms that spiders are descended from a single boastful human woman.

I mean, the Bible's track record on scientific accuracy regarding the creepy things that creepeth is just astounding right now.

originally posted by: RealTruthSeeker

originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: RealTruthSeeker

Evolution of Reptiles

i dont know why you find this remarkable, they have been around for millions of years. they were ancient when the first god was thought of.

The only thing remarkable is the fact that it took science years to discover this when the answer was always there in the Bible.

The bible also says a bearded guy sits in the sky watching us all masturbate but I doubt thats true.

My daughter says snakes with legs are called lizards🐍

a reply to: Awolscout

No effort went into that at all. At least argue a point, don't just come to poke fun at religion. The bible never describes God as a physical being that I'm aware of, infact (edit: and I'm happy to be corrected if wrong) I'm only aware of him being described as All Consuming Fire (Hebrews 12:29), Spirit (John 4:24), Love (1 John 4:16) and Light (1 John 1:5).

Arguing from ignorance will only embolden your opponents when they see your errors.

a reply to: RealTruthSeeker

Here is a strange dilemma about the Eve and the Snake story. Take these two quotes for example, in chronological and textural order as actions in Genesis:

"3 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?”

2 The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’”

4 “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. 5 “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

So we must ask was the serpent a serpent before God took his legs away from him? It is not until the talking serpent had done the wicked deed to Eve that God pronounces the curse:

"14 So the Lord God said to the serpent, “Because you have done this,


“Cursed are you above all livestock
and all wild animals!
You will crawl on your belly
and you will eat dust
all the days of your life.

15
And I will put enmity
between you and the woman,
and between your offspring and hers;
he will crush your head,
and you will strike his heel.”


So what do you make of that? As a critical analysis of the text, well in all the English translations at least, the serpent had legs when he tempted Eve. So it must have been a lizard that tempted Eve because the serpent still had legs at that time. Only after God's curse does the serpent lose his legs, thus becoming a snake.

Who knows may be it was that very there little fella they found as a fossil who did the wicked deed.

I think we should give our ancient ancestors some credit for having some savvy. It is not too hard to see the resemblance between the snake and the lizard. Humans don't like snakes for the same reason they don't like spiders, because they are both very dangerous to us. The snake was a handy scapegoat literally laying around to fit the bill, with his forked tongue. There are many other creation myths that tell morality tales and involve talking animals. Genesis is a great story, but only one of many and makes about as much scientific common sense as any creation story.

The snake is showing to be very much an evolutionary mutation/development of the lizard. Over millions and millions of years the snake slowly evolved. Its legs didn't just disappear overnight. It would have taken many millions of years. Imagine the scenario of the burrowing lizard and how its legs became a burden to its ability. The shorter legged lizards end up becoming better hunters and more successful, attracting healthier mates. Keep doing that for a million years and there ya go a new species.

Don't get me wrong I love and value the Bible, but we as humans are growing out of being babies where we needed simple nursery rhymes to explain our existence. Our curiosity and imagination are perhaps the most fundamental strengths of our species and has made us super adaptable. The variables and forces that keep life evolving are mind blowing. Nothing is standing still. What we are as species now, us, the animals, bacteria, plants are changing ever so slowly so don't expect the humans in the next million years, if we make it that far, to be like us. We may yet have time to evolve into yet another kind of human, who knows?

a reply to: Revolution9

You make it seem like they didn't know the difference between a serpent and a lizard, that would be incorrect. I'm pretty sure they knew the difference.

Leviticus 11:29
29 “And these are unclean to you among the swarming things that swarm on the ground: the mole rat, the mouse, the great lizard of any kind, 30 the gecko, the monitor lizard, the lizard, the sand lizard, and the chameleon. 31 These are unclean to you among all that swarm."

Whether we believe it or not, according to the Biblical tale the serpent had legs before he tempted Eve. The legs were removed because of what the serpent did. If the God of the Bible is real then doing such a thing would not be impossible would it?

originally posted by: BelowLowAnnouncement

originally posted by: RealTruthSeeker
The only thing remarkable is the fact that it took science years to discover this when the answer was always there in the Bible.

Since you find that remarkable I can only assume you are very dilligent in your processing of information. Is there anything else you're waiting for science to catch up on that is written in the bible? Care to share any of these revelations in advance instead of waiting 'til science proves them to claim them for your religion?

Edit:

originally posted by: Joneselius
Even the LHC is now confirming that which holds things together, but they'll never see the truth of it. It's Jesus.

I'd love to see a link/source if you have one. Or at least an explanation of what makes you think this.

Who said I was waiting for science to do anything? I just happen to stumble across this today and thought it was interesting. The point is, this knowledge was already known, it is not new information for those of us who believe in the Bible.

For science this has always been a theory, well now they have solid proof so what's the big deal.

a reply to: RealTruthSeeker

Well, if he removed their legs and then threw them out of the garden, then why are we finding fossils with their legs attached still???

Did he miss a few of them??? Did he get lazy and just not get to all of them???

Or is it just stupid to even bother applying myth as if it was literal and factual???

I can't believe I even have to ask this question to an adult in modern times.

originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: RealTruthSeeker

Well, if he removed their legs and then threw them out of the garden, then why are we finding fossils with their legs attached still???

Did he miss a few of them??? Did he get lazy and just not get to all of them???

Or is it just stupid to even bother applying myth as if it was literal and factual???

I can't believe I even have to ask this question to an adult in modern times.

Consider this. God told Adam and Eve that if they ate from the forbidden tree they would die. But they did not die right on the spot once they ate, but they did eventually die, 900 and something years later. When God told that to the serpent it could have meant that over time the serpent will no longer have legs. Some may have died before then, thus creating these fossils. That's my theory.