2 Mind Blowing Hypocrisies Straight from the Headlines

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

The VA was created to provide health services to veterans. Period. If they are unable to provide needed and/or adequate services, then said veterans should be able to go wherever they can get that help, at the VA's expense. Period.

These A holes have wasted how many man hours? How many millions of dollars? Jacking around with this bill? Preventing veterans from getting the healthcare they deserve.

As I've already stated I've had nothing but positive experiences with Planned Parenthood. And ALL they deal with is women so they are very experienced with diagnosing and treating everything that comes with having a vagina. And no, there's not any walk in clinics (that I've ever heard of) where you can get the level of care at the very affordable prices of PP. So..."birth control companies"?...no such thing.

* Back to the VA- reproductive health aside, I wonder how many suicides and SHOOTINGS have occurred while veterans were seeking mental health help from the VA? I said it before and I'll say it again- if veterans aren't getting the care they need, then they should have the right to go get the care they need at the Vas expense. But of course the VA is short changed just like SS because we're too busy sending 3 billion dollars a year to Israel.

a reply to: ladyvalkyrie

OK, why is PP even part of the bill?

Seems to me your real issue is with pork spending.

Of course, when it comes to the VA, it's not like the veterans can get appointments to there with or without this bill passing in a timely manner. Any benefits from this bill might be seen in appointments from waiting list vets in the next one to two years of when the corrupt docs feel like seeing them.

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: Gryphon66
Let's see if this logic can be followed:

Government is corrupt.

So, anything the government touches or is involved with, is corrupt.

So, the Republicans are corrupt.

Why should we vote for another Republican then?

Or a Democrat ...

The Republicans are in control of Congress.

Shouldn't we work on the "biggest evil" first? The "corruption" in power?

Just out of curiosity, will everyone be corrupt the second they are a "part of government" or would we have hope with individuals from, say, the Green Party, or the Constitution Party, or the Socialist Party?

a reply to: Gryphon66

I don't know what do you think about it?

Are you saying the government isn't corrupt?

a reply to: InverseLookingGlass

Don't fall for the ruse. Conservatives are absolutely not pro life. Anyone with two unprogrammed brain cells can see that

I love it when people tell me what I am, and what I am not.

Authoritarians keep a mental score that counts the number of people they perceive themselves to have control over. This mental score is proportional to their self-worth. Guns are a form of physical control. Discrimination is a form of systemic control.

That is something them evil bankers,rich people,ceo's gun owners know all to well.

Want to meet a truly angry person? Find a middle aged white man with authority over no one. Zip. Zero. Not the wife, not the kids, no one at work and can't afford a proper gun collection. You'll see true rage.

Yeah all anyone had to do was turn on the tv and watch places like Fegerson,New York, and a few trials, but those people weren't 'white'.

Since someone wanted to throw race in the thread.


All in all those comments sound like they come from authoritarian trying to control people that actually do have more than two brain cells trying to get a rise out of them.

a reply to: ladyvalkyrie

I am still unclear on why an organization founded by a eugenicist could be the apple of a progressive's eye.

Please, make an effort to think about the issues and not blindly support questionable organizations.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: Gryphon66
Let's see if this logic can be followed:

Government is corrupt.

So, anything the government touches or is involved with, is corrupt.

So, the Republicans are corrupt.

Why should we vote for another Republican then?

Or a Democrat ...

The Republicans are in control of Congress.

Shouldn't we work on the "biggest evil" first? The "corruption" in power?

Just out of curiosity, will everyone be corrupt the second they are a "part of government" or would we have hope with individuals from, say, the Green Party, or the Constitution Party, or the Socialist Party?

I'm sure you know this, but comments like "the democrats do it too" or the comment from our friend Ketsuko, are just another way they can divert attention from the fact that the Right has engaged in these tactics.

Just because the Left may do it as well does not make it ok.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Gryphon66

I don't know what do you think about it?

Are you saying the government isn't corrupt?

More than a bit off-topic and overly simplistic.

Quick answer: Government, being made up of people, has good people and bad people. Not all Republicans are bad, not all Democrats are good, not everyone at PP is an ethical caregiver ... etc.

Extremism wants to do away with any opposition real or perceived, wholesale.

Another simplistic view: We should get rid of the bad ... in government, in PP, in any other venture, and leave the good.

a reply to: ketsuko

OK, why is PP even part of the bill?

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Yeah really why ?

PP gets snip loads of free money from them evil corporations.

www.thefederalistpapers.org...

The topic is much to do about nothing is nothing but pure demagoguery.

originally posted by: ladyvalkyrie
So, I was procrastinating on cleaning the house and browsing Huffington Post and came across these gems:
Anti Planned Parenthood
Basically lawmakers pulled a bill that would help veterans receive fertility help due to the fact that Republicans so vehemently oppose sending one dime to Planned Parenthood....even to HELP with fertility. And it's not even like there are millions of dollars paying for abortions or something, there was ONE charge for $900 that POSSIBLY went to a Planned Parenthood....to help a veteran with FERTILITY.

So, Republicans are so determined to save unborn babies that they are preventing veterans (who, may I remind you, have dedicated their LIVES to this country) from receiving help with fertility treatments that would produce much wanted and much loved unborn babies.

But wait, it gets better:
Social Security will Run Dry
The government is claiming that SS will run out in late 2016. Aww man, we must be completely out of money.

Um...but according to this:
Congressional Research Service Report
We spent $3,115,000,000 in aid to Israel in 2014 alone! Please feel free to double check me, I found that figure on a chart on page 29 of the report. I had to double check myself because the chart says "$3,115" but the chart was referring to MILLIONS. So that would make $3 BILLION, 115 MILLION dollars...in 2014 alone. Over $124 BILLION since 1997.

Note to government: Screw you guys. Man, seriously, just when I thought you couldn't possibly be more wasteful and retarded...you go and surprise me once more. Hope you're happy with yourselves, cuz I have no idea how you can sleep at night.

Ok I don't know much about it, but why should they still be allowed to take social security out of my checks if I will never benefit from it?

Say anything about planned parenthood and it's the same exact people in every thread trying to defend anything said about them.

I find that odd

Why do you have such love for an organization that takes so much in tax dollars but makes billions on its own?

You're the same people that get angry when other big businessss get government money and yet don't need it.

Angry about oil company tax breaks and gov spending on them because they are "evil" and "big" and don't need it

Yet this organization, founded by a racist btw, which you liberals don't seem to care about ( I guess because it helps your liberal ideology then racism is ok) is a billion dollar industry on its own AND raking in gov funding

Hypocrites to the highest scale you are

a reply to: introvert

Yes, I am aware of what you are observing, but I always hold out hope that simple logic will prevail.

Witness my virtual bloody forehead; these walls are HARD.

a reply to: ketsuko

From what I could gather some spending report showed $900 was billed to a non VA healthcare provider, which MAY or MAY NOT have been PP. And the Republicans are so vehemently opposed to sending even one dime to any provider that 'takes aborted babies' organs and sells them' that Sen. Tillis tried to add an Amendment to the bill that prevents the VA from working with said organizations. Now the whole bill is pulled....preventing VETERANS from getting help with FERTILITY.

Hypocrisy.

I don't care if it's "Uncle Bob's Chop Shop and Abortion Emporium" ....if it is addressing the health needs of a veteran, it needs to be covered. Period.

a reply to: neo96

So I wonder which of our wonderful legislators inserted that bit to the bill? Any bets?

originally posted by: InverseLookingGlass
a reply to: ladyvalkyrie

Don't fall for the ruse. Conservatives are absolutely not pro life. Anyone with two unprogrammed brain cells can see that.

It's .... about .... control.

You can't be serious with that statement. If anybody wants to be in control of anybody, even themselves, it is the pro-abortion crowd. Killing a fetus is the ultimate control. That "deed" can never be rectified, never.

originally posted by: greencmp
a reply to: ladyvalkyrie

I am still unclear on why an organization founded by a eugenicist could be the apple of a progressive's eye.

Please, make an effort to think about the issues and not blindly support questionable organizations.

I'd like to know how you came to the conclusion that PP is the "apple" in anyone's eye. If someone supports another person's freedom to receive services wherever they damn well choose, including PP, does that make them a progressive?

I think that's the problem here. Too many people don't like others having freedom unless they use it in a way they agree with. Some people, including vets, like to use PP for their services and since these vets should be taken care of because of their service to the country, we should foot the bill.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: neo96

So I wonder which of our wonderful legislators inserted that bit to the bill? Any bets?

The same ones that go around trying to ban certain flags.

Is my guess.

a reply to: OptimisticCynic

You only notice one side of the argument then? You don't notice the same folks on "your" side of the issue in every thread. Including, of course, you?

There are many of us here, both pro and con, on this issue and others. Why are you bothered by the other side of the argument having a voice?

As to the mistakes in your diatribe:

Planned Parenthood is a not for profit organization. It does not "make billions on it's own." You're mistaken.

Margaret Sanger is no more a racist than Teddy Roosevelt (in fact, probably not as much of one).

Have you ever read any of her actual writings or speeches? Or only the misappropriated, misquoted garbage on anti-abortion sites? If you'd like to learn something start at The Margaret Sanger Papers Project as well as Opposition Claims about Margaret Sanger not to mention factcheck.org.

Knowledge is power!

a reply to: introvert

Are you saying they are not?

"Freedom to receive services" is an interesting if convoluted way of describing it.

My argument against PP doesn't even need to refer to the recent exposé.

Margaret Sanger, racist eugenicist extraordinaire

Sanger shaped the eugenics movement in America and beyond in the 1930s and 1940s. Her views and those of her peers in the movement contributed to compulsory sterilization laws in 30 U.S. states that resulted in more than 60,000 sterilizations of vulnerable people, including people she considered “feeble-minded,” “idiots” and “morons.”

She even presented at a Ku Klux Klan rally in 1926 in Silver Lake, N.J. She recounted this event in her autobiography: “I accepted an invitation to talk to the women’s branch of the Ku Klux Klan … I saw through the door dim figures parading with banners and illuminated crosses … I was escorted to the platform, was introduced, and began to speak … In the end, through simple illustrations I believed I had accomplished my purpose. A dozen invitations to speak to similar groups were proffered” (Margaret Sanger, “An Autobiography,” Page 366). That she generated enthusiasm among some of America’s leading racists says something about the content and tone of her remarks.

originally posted by: Aliensun

originally posted by: InverseLookingGlass
a reply to: ladyvalkyrie

Don't fall for the ruse. Conservatives are absolutely not pro life. Anyone with two unprogrammed brain cells can see that.

It's .... about .... control.

You can't be serious with that statement. If anybody wants to be in control of anybody, even themselves, it is the pro-abortion crowd. Killing a fetus is the ultimate control. That "deed" can never be rectified, never.

If you believe that a god designed these processes, then that god is responsible for the spontaneous abortion of 50% of fertilized eggs. Might take your issues with abortion up with that god, wherever it is.

Of course it's about control. One side of the argument is pro-CHOICE. We know that abortion at any legal phase MUST be a matter of the woman's choice. The anti-choice movement is about taking that away from the individual and putting it in the hands of the State.