Cuba is Demanding Reparations from the U.S.

When the gates open, there will be thousands of Americans visiting those beautiful beaches and wonderful people, and spending big bucks. That should be enough of a reparation.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

An old cold warriors dogma about the excuse (communism) the US used to invade and destroy nations back then, including Vietnam, Korea, Laos, Cambodia, and others. Like you say, in your long winded post (etc, etc, etc,)

Give the dirty commies bit a rest, why don't you. I was around throughout the cold war, every thing the North Vietnamese government did to repatriate the southern half of their country away from the Americans and driving out the occupation army was just and deserved. How do you get rid of cancer, you gotta cut it out, blood is spilled.

You want to make the "communists" the subject of evil, the evil is mechanized aggressive war waged on an entire nation and those surrounding it (like Laos and Cambodia), you want to make Hue a massacre, millions of people died as a result of American war machine. These people were the massacre victims, making Hue pale in comparison. Besides theta The Tet Offensive was military failure, just embarrassingly reminded the American people how little control the US government had over there. In that sense it was propaganda genius. It sealed the failure of the Vietnam war in American peoples minds.

And what we're these ARVN soldiers and administration people killed for? For collaborating with the invading enemy, the US military.

Give the dirty commies bit a rest, the old cold war propaganda is worn out. It didn't work then it doesn't work now. I thought I was listening to a Nixon or Kissinger speech there, McNamara and General Westmoreland reminding everyone if we just spend a few more billion, add a few more soldiers, and drop a s***load more bombs it will work, "communism will be defeated".

What meaningless, old, laughable droll.

By the way, how did Vietnam turn out? Is it Chinese, or Russia now? No, its still "Vietnam". All that rhetoric was meaningless then and now, obviously so.

The real threat to the world is the US, then and now. Look at Iraq and Afghanistan Is it commies there, too? No, but the same laughable endless war droning on to line the pockets of the warmongers, same as during Vietnam. A nice little endless un winnable war that goes on forever and ever, and ever…

Amen. Pray to your God, the military industrial war machine.

originally posted by: charlyv
When the gates open, there will be thousands of Americans visiting those beautiful beaches and wonderful people, and spending big bucks. That should be enough of a reparation.

Sincerely I want the embargo lifted, and for Cuba to rejoin the global community, and it's people can share the joys (and the miseries) of the free world. When I go (and I will go) I will make it a point to tip well and make sure the money goes straight into the hand of the person I want to have it; the person who has earned it.

As far as straight out paying their government hundreds of millions, I still oppose that, largely based on principle, as to do so would be to indicate the regime has done nothing wrong, and that is clearly not the case. They have perpetrated atrocities against their own citizens, and have done so for decades. Not to mention sucking up to Russia to the point that it endangered our mainland. So no. No soup for you.

Additionally, there is no evidence that monies would be used to actually benefit the people, but rather would be used to further agendas of the regime.

But I agree Charlyv. They will make a bundle off American vacationers, and we DO leave good tips. : )

a reply to: ladyinwaiting

Hands down the most informative post in the thread.

Really? The anti communist rhetoric has always been used as cover for US expansionist policy in the South East Asian region, securing another toe hold on the Asian continent, (just like Korea). Ostensibly to "defeat the communists" in Vietnam, but really another US base in the underbelly of Russia and China. If the "commies" had done that in Mexico, the US response to communist bases on main land North American continent would be no different.

Western Anti communist rhetoric is not "hands down most informative", its deception.

a reply to: intrptr
I was a young child when I realized there are two sides to every story. : )

And btw, having read documentaries about the lifestyles of communist countries, I'm really not that keen on it myself. It's good in theory, like Marxism, but never seems to go forward without overwhelming corruption. The cases in point are multiple.

a reply to: ladyinwaiting

I was a young child when I realized there are two sides to every story. : )

Those who try to cover up they are waging aggressive war, and the victims.

ETA: Cuba was handled differently. Its an Island, can be surrounded, and close to US shores (90 miles) so the blockade can be maintained indefinitely.

Cuba is isolated because they refuse to submit. Where bombs are used elsewhere to subjugate, Cuba only needs to be isolated until they submit.

originally posted by: openminded2011
Every American who lives/lived in south florida should get a reparations check for all the jobs lost, higher insurance paid Becuase of uninsured/bad drivers and physical displacement from their culture being totally usurped for the past 35 years.

Shut up. The land was founded on immigration. Deal with it.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: ladyinwaiting

I was a young child when I realized there are two sides to every story. : )

Those who try to cover up they are waging aggressive war, and the victims.

ETA: Cuba was handled differently. Its an Island, can be surrounded, and close to US shores (90 miles) so the blockade can be maintained indefinitely.

Cuba is isolated because they refuse to submit. Where bombs are used elsewhere to subjugate, Cuba only needs to be isolated until they submit.

Cuba is not blockaded. Every other country in the world can do business with them and has been able to do so for 50 years. The embargo only affects the US. The "isolation" for the average Cuban is from the Castro regime--the leaders keep their own people as isolated as possible, lest they awake and realize that the "revolution" was a fraud.

a reply to: IanFleming

Interesting comments. I wonder if the revolution was indeed a fraud, began that way, or simply evolved into what it became.

a reply to: IanFleming

Cuba is not blockaded. Every other country in the world can do business with them and has been able to do so for 50 years. The embargo only affects the US. The "isolation" for the average Cuban is from the Castro regime--the leaders keep their own people as isolated as possible, lest they awake and realize that the "revolution" was a fraud.

Blockade, embargo, sanctions imposed on Cuba for the last 50 years? The 'embargo' is specifically designed to oppress the people into rising against their government which the US sees as illegitimate (like Baptista puppet regime wasn't Cuban anyway). Thats why the people rose up and overthrew Batista.

Now tell me it wasn't Castro, it was communists.

You want semantics, give the Cuba's freedom of self determination, give back Guantanamo, illegally occupied by the US military. Let them decide for themselves how to runt their affairs without so much as a meddlesome "demand or imposition" by the US of intervention. Who the hell gave the US the right to run any countries affairs?

Oh, right American Exceptionalism, arrogance personified. We're better than everyone. Another subjugated, failed state, saddled with unpayable debt and the looming threat of bombing by drones and Hellfire.

a reply to: intrptr

Telling the truth about communism is not an excuse... Why couldn't the Chinese, and the Vietcong leave south Vietnam to the VIETNAMESE people that didn't want communism?... No, instead, and like always the communists force everyone within a country to accept communism. Those that are seen as a threat are murdered, disappeared, or imprisoned, and made an example for everyone else who would think of resisting communism.

In total, communism alone has been the cause for the murder of over 110,000,000 people. That's over 110 million people in the 20th century alone.

BTW, those murders do not count soldiers that died in battle. The numbers represent regular people who died under such communist regimes. Millions more have been, and still are imprisoned for trying to fight for their right to be free from communism.

...
In sum the communist probably have murdered something like 110,000,000, or near two-thirds of all those killed by all governments, quasi-governments, and guerrillas from 1900 to 1987. Of course, the world total itself it shocking. It is several times the 38,000,000 battle-dead that have been killed in all this century's international and domestic wars. Yet the probable number of murders by the Soviet Union alone--one communist country-- well surpasses this cost of war. And those murders of communist China almost equal it.
...

www.hawaii.edu...

One thing that is common in communist regimes apart from implementing a blood-lusting authoritarian regime, is the fact that famine has always occurred in communist regimes.

...
Constructing this utopia was seen as though a war on poverty, exploitation, imperialism, and inequality. And for the greater good, as in a real war, people are killed. And thus this war for the communist utopia had its necessary enemy casualties, the clergy, bourgeoisie, capitalists, wreckers, counterrevolutionaries, rightists, tyrants, rich, landlords, and noncombatants that unfortunately got caught in the battle. In a war millions may die, but the cause may be well justified, as in the defeat of Hitler and an utterly racist Nazism. And to many communists, the cause of a communist utopia was such as to justify all the deaths. The irony of this is that communism in practice, even after decades of total control, did not improve the lot of the average person, but usually made their living conditions worse than before the revolution. It is not by chance that the greatest famines have occurred within the Soviet Union (about 5,000,000 dead during 1921-23 and 7,000,000 from 1932-3) and communist China (about 27,000,000 dead from 1959-61). In total almost 55,000,000 people died in various communist famines and associated diseases, a little over 10,000,000 of them from democidal famine. This is as though the total population of Turkey, Iran, or Thailand had been completely wiped out. And that something like 35,000,000 people fled communist countries as refugees, as though the countries of Argentina or Columbia had been totally emptied of all their people, was an unparalleled vote against the utopian pretensions of Marxism-Leninism.
...

www.hawaii.edu...

The fault that famine grips countries that become communist does not lie on anyone, or anything else, but on the communist dogma.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: IanFleming

Cuba is not blockaded. Every other country in the world can do business with them and has been able to do so for 50 years. The embargo only affects the US. The "isolation" for the average Cuban is from the Castro regime--the leaders keep their own people as isolated as possible, lest they awake and realize that the "revolution" was a fraud.

Blockade, embargo, sanctions imposed on Cuba for the last 50 years? The 'embargo' is specifically designed to oppress the people into rising against their government which the US sees as illegitimate (like Baptista puppet regime wasn't Cuban anyway). Thats why the people rose up and overthrew Batista.

Now tell me it wasn't Castro, it was communists.

You want semantics, give the Cuba's freedom of self determination, give back Guantanamo, illegally occupied by the US military. Let them decide for themselves how to runt their affairs without so much as a meddlesome "demand or imposition" by the US of intervention. Who the hell gave the US the right to run any countries affairs?

Oh, right American Exceptionalism, arrogance personified. We're better than everyone. Another subjugated, failed state, saddled with unpayable debt and the looming threat of bombing by drones and Hellfire.

The fact of the matter is that the ENTIRE WORLD could do business with Cuba and always have, apart from the U.S. if the U.S. so evil, and Cuba so innocent, they would have thrived, especially with billions in Soviet aid.

The facts of the matter is that, in spite of soviet aid and the ability to trade with the rest of the world, Cuba is a failed state and the blame rests directly on the Cuban dictators

Cuba has been run by it's own people and has been for 50 years. Hence their problems..

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Telling the truth about communism is not an excuse... Why couldn't the Chinese, and the Vietcong leave south Vietnam to the VIETNAMESE people that didn't want communism?... No, instead, and like always the communists force everyone within a country to accept communism.

Bah, they assisted the Vietnamese in throwing the invaders out of the country and out the continent. You play it deceptive if you like, the Russians and Chinese didn't rush into the vacuum left by the US, like all the claims.

Just like NATYO is dong in Eastern Europe now, eh? Who's the invaders again?

Now tell me the empire building mantra, we were invited to occupy their countries militarily.
More misdirection.

a reply to: IanFleming

if the U.S. so evil, and Cuba so innocent, they would have thrived, especially with billions in Soviet aid.

The "aid" was military, a thorn in the US side like Jupiter missiles were in Turkey. The trade off was to remove missiles for missiles. The Soviets left Cuba and the "Evil" US went back to oppressing"Innocent" little Cuba.

The mob missed their casino revenue and American bureaucrats missed their Cuban junkets…

Bwah wah.

originally posted by: intrptr

Bah, they assisted the Vietnamese in throwing the invaders out of the country and out the continent. You play it deceptive if you like, the Russians and Chinese didn't rush into the vacuum left by the US, like all the claims.

Just like NATYO is dong in Eastern Europe now, eh? Who's the invaders again?

Now tell me the empire building mantra, we were invited to occupy their countries militarily.
More misdirection.

You obviously can't even read... The massacres done by the Chinese and Vietcong started BEFORE the U.S. got involved, and they were murdering, or imprisoning not only foreigners, but mostly VIETNAMESE PEOPLE that didn't want communism...

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: intrptr

Bah, they assisted the Vietnamese in throwing the invaders out of the country and out the continent. You play it deceptive if you like, the Russians and Chinese didn't rush into the vacuum left by the US, like all the claims.

Just like NATYO is dong in Eastern Europe now, eh? Who's the invaders again?

Now tell me the empire building mantra, we were invited to occupy their countries militarily.
More misdirection.

You obviously can't even read... The massacres done by the Chinese and Vietcong started BEFORE the U.S. got involved, and they were murdering, or imprisoning not only foreigners, but mostly VIETNAMESE PEOPLE that didn't want communism...

Quite true. There was a physician by the name of Thomas Dooley who did medical work in northern Vietnam shortly after WWII and into the 1950s and he wrote several books about his experiences and I highly recommend them. The Vietminh murdered entire villages and were doing so long before US involvement.

MAO's long march was in the 1930's and he started murdering his fellow Chinese before WWII when the US was still largely isolationist in Asia.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

The massacres done by the Chinese and Vietcong started BEFORE the U.S. got involved, and they were murdering, or imprisoning not only foreigners, but mostly VIETNAMESE PEOPLE that didn't want communism…

What the US did to the Vietnamese made your "massacres" look like a picnic. It was used as the excuse then, same as the US government uses now. This thread is about Cuba.

originally posted by: intrptr

What the US did to the Vietnamese made your "massacres" look like a picnic. It was used as the excuse then, same as the US government uses now. This thread is about Cuba.

Look how you continue to try to shift the blame back to the U.S... Not for one second you stop to admit what the communists did in Vietnam among some countries... That's the kind of denial that communists even today partake in, as if they don't care at all that millions of lives have been stolen by the communist dogma... They just want to keep on trying to convert everyone into a communist even if it takes the lives of 100 million people or more and even if it means millions should be imprisoned again to implement "their utopia"...

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Look how you continue to try to shift the blame back to the U.S... Not for one second you stop to admit what the communists did in Vietnam among some countries... That's the kind of denial that communists even today partake in, as if they don't care at all that millions of lives have been stolen by the communist dogma... They just want to keep on trying to convert everyone into a communist even if it takes the lives of 100 million people or more and even if it means millions should be imprisoned again to implement "their utopia"…

The blame laid by invading and conquering armies is always laid at the victim nations doorstep.

I seen and heard it all before during the Vietnam era, the nightly sixoclock news said the same damn things they are saying today and you mirror them all perfectly.

Aside from excusing waging war against blameless nations, (more tons of bombes were dropped in Vietnam than all of WWII combined), lets just look at all your "commie" innuendo.

Communism, i.e., socialism is the evil, right? What most western complainers fail to realize or admit is that every nation has social programs, and most every one thinks they are necessary. They howl about commies while living in cities, (Social Engineering on a grand scale) they want fire and police departments, public works, public schools, mail delivery, community transit, etc, etc.

Communism, then terrorism, now Islamism and ISIS, all a deception to get the masses to go along with waging unjust aggressive war under the cover of helping for humane reasons.

Bah, Like I said, spare me, I've heard it all before from Nixon, Kissinger, McNamara, Johnson, Westmoreland, pouring through the main stream media.

Ha ha, Like older people been there dude, heard all the rhetoric long before you were around. It never changes, just the names of the new designated "enemy".

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

By the way, US fought to a draw in Korea, lost in Vietnam, still isolates Cuba to old commie rhetoric to this day. Losing in Iraq, mired down in Syria, Afganistan, Libya is chaos, setting sights on Iran and Ukraine, all this effort and all this non winnable wars building to a crescendo of failure, just like the Nazis did when they bit off more than they could chew during WWII. And the same regions of the world, too. Especially love the Eastern Europe push… haven't learned a damn thing from history aka, Napoleon Hitler and Alexander…

lulz, laughing at the exceptionalism, the megalomania, another empire winds up on the ash heap of history.

Last reply here about this subject.